In this episode of The School of Greatness, Lewis Howes and Robert Greene explore how adults can reclaim the sense of wonder and presence that comes naturally to children. Greene explains how the development of language and ego shifts human attention inward, creating disconnection from the world and a hidden yearning for the enchantment of childhood. He introduces the concept of "the sublime"—experiences that transcend rational thought and connect individuals to something larger than themselves, whether through love, nature, or contemplating cosmic improbability.
The conversation also examines consciousness and near-death experiences, questioning whether the brain generates awareness or merely receives it from a universal source. Greene discusses cases of individuals who reported perceptions during periods of no measurable brain activity, raising questions about what happens after death. Throughout, Greene emphasizes that true fulfillment comes not from material success but from genuine connection with others and engagement with the spiritual dimension of existence.

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Lewis Howes and Robert Greene explore how adults can reclaim the sense of wonder they experienced as children, using insights from Greene's "The Law of the Sublime."
Greene describes how infants experience the world with remarkable openness, their plastic brains forming new neural connections constantly. Children direct 90% of their attention outward, absorbing the world with deep fascination. As adults develop language and ego, this shifts dramatically—adults focus 98% of their attention on themselves and only 2% on the external world, using inhibition to function efficiently but losing their sense of enchantment in the process.
This transition creates what Greene calls "the lost self," an unconscious yearning for the magical way of seeing once natural in childhood. This hidden wound drives dissatisfaction and underlies addictive behaviors—attempts to recapture ego-dissolving wonder through external means, offering only a fleeting "false sublime" rather than true connection.
Greene notes that children experience time as immediate flow, while adults see it as an anxiety-inducing sequence of deadlines and regrets. By entering temporal flow, adults can recover childlike presence. Greene includes exercises throughout his book to help readers view the familiar world with fresh eyes, transforming perception without upending their lives. As he quotes Marcel Proust: "You don't need to travel to different planets… what you need is a new pair of eyes."
Greene explores the sublime as an experience transcending rational thought, connecting individuals to cosmic wonder and universal energies.
Greene identifies twelve "doors" to the sublime—gateways to experiences that move individuals beyond ego into something vast and ineffable. The sublime means "up to the threshold," inspiring awe that transcends language. These moments offer spiritual orientation in a way organized religion once provided, helping individuals recognize the mystery and unlikelihood of their existence.
Greene points to the "cosmic sublime"—the overwhelming improbability of Earth's formation and human existence. Contemplating the precise chain of circumstances from the Big Bang through 70,000 generations of human evolution shifts perspective and reconnects us to a vaster whole.
For Greene, love represents "the highest form of the sublime," merging physical attraction with spiritual connection. True love requires vulnerability and surrendering ego defenses, fostering mutual intimacy that transforms both individuals. This process of letting go to something greater reveals love's transformative power.
Greene examines the "death sublime" through cases like Pamela Reynolds-Lowrey, who reported vivid perceptions during brain surgery despite being clinically dead with no measurable brain activity. Such near-death experiences suggest consciousness may persist outside the body, with the brain acting as a receiver rather than generator of awareness.
Greene connects these modern ideas to ancient traditions where gods represented universal energies rather than distant entities. The Greeks used "theos" to mean shimmering energy, and being "en theos"—filled with divine energy—was the height of religious experience, while "atheism" meant being abandoned by the gods.
Greene explores why many people who achieve traditional milestones still feel empty, arguing that fulfillment requires more than material success.
Greene notes that even highly successful people like Steve Jobs were driven by mastery and creation rather than wealth accumulation. Much modern unhappiness stems from disconnection—from others, surroundings, and oneself. Greene recounts how a psychotherapist's patient named Miguel, despite having everything conventionally considered success, only found perspective after a challenging mountain climb that reminded him of realities larger than his achievements.
Career or material wealth cannot replace the spiritual dimension that religion once provided, helping people cope with mortality and life's inevitable challenges. Without this grounding, people struggle when facing illness, aging, and loss.
Greene asserts that genuine fulfillment arises from deeply connecting with others as unique subjects, not mere objects or extensions of oneself. He shares how his wife saved his life during his stroke, and how his vulnerability during recovery deepened their relationship beyond anything work or possessions could provide.
Greene emphasizes that relationships flourish when one manages ego-driven thoughts like defensiveness and jealousy. Shifting focus from "Am I getting enough?" to "How can I give?" creates upward spirals of generosity. His stroke forced him to confront his limitations, revealing that true importance lies in giving, receiving, and accepting love—not in projecting strength.
Greene explores the puzzle of consciousness and what occurs after death through neuroscience, philosophy, and personal experience.
Greene discusses how the brain constructs consensus reality by patterning sensory information, using neuroscientist Jill Bolte Taylor's stroke experience as an example of altered perception when these filters are absent. He explores growing scientific support for panpsychism—the idea that consciousness permeates the universe. Rather than generating consciousness, human minds may act as receivers tuning into universal awareness, similar to Buddhism's concept of "one mind."
Greene highlights cases where individuals experienced awareness during periods of no measurable brain activity, including patients who reported specific details during operations while essentially biologically dead. These near-death experiences, documented across cultures, provoke questions about consciousness functioning independently of observable brain activity. Scientists like Bruce Greyson have seriously considered whether evidence of an afterlife exists. Greene frames this as a central paradox: understanding how individual consciousness might be linked to vaster, universal awareness may require moving beyond purely materialist explanations.
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Lewis Howes and Robert Greene explore the loss of wonder adults experience as they become absorbed in routine, ambition, and anxiety, and how to regain the sparkling awe once abundant in childhood. Greene's "The Law of the Sublime" offers insights and guidance on recovering this sense of enchantment, seeing beyond convention, and awakening hidden dimensions of reality.
Robert Greene describes the child's mind as remarkably open and enchanted, fundamentally different from the inhibited adult mind. Adults cannot recall their earliest years, likely because infants lack language to attach memories. When babies begin to observe the world, they do so with an unfiltered, plastic brain that is constantly forming new neural connections. This plasticity and openness fuel the extraordinary imagination and fascination with simple colors, moving objects, animals, and the strange behaviors of adults they cannot yet understand through language.
A child's attention is vastly directed outward—90% focused on the world and only 10% on self. This allows deep sensory absorption, making even the ordinary seem magical. In contrast, adults deploy inhibition to function efficiently, shutting out stimuli and focusing on routine. This shift is dramatic: by adulthood, 98% of attention is devoted to the self, and only 2% to the real world.
As children learn language and the concept of "I," they begin to develop their ego and a sense of separateness from others. This process marks a transition from being absorbed in the world to being absorbed in oneself. Greene calls this the creation of "the lost self," an unconscious yearning for the enchanted way of seeing the world that was once natural.
This sense of loss drives underlying feelings of dissatisfaction. Adults may accomplish all the conventional milestones—career, relationships, achievements—but quietly feel something precious is missing or stagnating in their lives. This unconscious wound, the pain of losing a once open and magical mind, is a constant affliction.
Greene identifies this hidden longing as the root of addictive behaviors. Addictions of all types—drugs, alcohol, consumerism, entertainment—are ultimately attempts to recapture the oneness and ego-dissolving wonder once experienced. Unlike the "true sublime," which arises from within through encounters with nature, creativity, or deep connection, addictions offer only a fleeting "false sublime," a quick external escape that never fully satisfies.
Greene contends that children and adults experience time in fundamentally different ways. For a child, time is a present flow, like floating down a river—an immersive, immediate, and ecstatic experience. They are present in the moment, moving with time rather than observi ...
Rediscovering Childhood Wonder and Awe In Adult Life
Robert Greene explores the sublime as an experience that transcends the rational mind, connects individuals to cosmic improbability, intertwines love and spirit, provokes contemplation about consciousness after death, and echoes ancient traditions of being possessed by universal energies.
Greene identifies twelve "doors" to the sublime: gateways to experiences that move individuals beyond ego and ordinary consciousness into something vast and ineffable. The term “sublime” itself means “up to the threshold.” His aim is to lead readers to this threshold, where they can glimpse realities outside their daily sphere—realities both awe-inspiring and inexpressible. The sublime, Greene says, is “beyond words,” inspiring awe and wonder that transcend language or logic. This sensation comes from practices or perspectives that momentarily lift individuals out of their habitual world.
Greene contrasts this with what he calls the “anti-sublime,” a strictly objective, scientific view of the universe that dismisses mystery and enchantment. He notes, however, that moments of the sublime, where we sense something vastly larger than ourselves, are profoundly grounding, offering the kind of spiritual orientation that organized religion once provided. These experiences invite individuals to stop, reflect, and recognize the sheer unlikelihood and mystery of their own existence, shifting their perception from personal problems to broader wonder.
Greene points to the “cosmic sublime”—the overwhelming improbability of Earth’s formation and human existence. He recounts a chain of circumstances beginning with the Big Bang. Factors such as the right temperature for matter coherence, the emergence and explosion of the first stars, and the collision of Earth with the planet Theia—which created the moon and established conditions crucial for life—are all so precise that life could easily have been impossible. If Earth were two percent closer to the sun, if the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs had missed the Yucatan Peninsula, or if any one of countless details had differed, humans would never have arisen.
Human existence, Greene explains, is the result of an unlikely outcome across 70,000 generations. The very bodies of our children are “miracles,” embodying millions of years of evolution and circumstance. Contemplating these cosmic improbabilities shifts perspective, shrinks the ego, and reconnects us to a vaster whole, providing healing from existential wounds. Realizing our insignificance within this cosmic context alters what we value and brings a sense of awe at "something out there" that may not be explainable by reason.
For Greene, love is “the highest form of the sublime.” Humans possess both physical and spiritual aspects—physical attraction fulfills animal desires, while spiritual yearning seeks transcendent connection. Ordinary sexual satisfaction is fleeting, and pure spirituality can feel alienating. In sublime love, however, both are merged: the loved one ceases to be merely an object and becomes a subject with whom one deeply connects. Their consciousness becomes part of one's own.
Love's sublime quality demands vulnerability. The metaphor of “falling in love” is apt, evoking both surrender and fear. Fear of being hurt can cause defensive barriers, which are sensed and mirrored by a partner and can trigger cycles of mistrust. However, genuinely surrendering the ego and defenses fosters mutual intimacy and trust, drawing both people ever deeper into the love experience. This process of letting go to the sublime not only transforms oneself but also catalyzes transformation in others. The power of love thus lies in submission to this greater force.
Greene also explores the “death sublime,” examining how consciousness might function independently of brain activity. He shares the case of Pamela Reynolds-Lowrey, who underwent brain surgery that rendered her clinically dead: no blood in her brain, her body cooled to 50 degrees, eyes taped shut, and brain activity entirely halted in a barbiturate coma. Despite this, Reynolds reported vivid perceptions—seeing surgical details, hearing conversations, and recalling the song playing during her operation—all verified by the me ...
The Nature of the Sublime and Spiritual Experience
Many people achieve traditional milestones—getting the job, launching projects, marrying, and ticking off goals—yet still feel a persistent sense of emptiness or stagnation. Despite completing the list of socially-approved achievements, something remains missing, and days can blur together, leaving life feeling mechanical and uninspired. Robert Greene explores why this is so, arguing that fulfillment is rarely found in material success alone.
Greene points out that even the world’s most successful people are often driven by deeper motivations than wealth or status. For instance, Steve Jobs, despite his massive fortune, cared little for money or material goods. Instead, he was obsessed with mastery and the process of creating objects that married technology with beautiful design. His motivation came from the flow and pleasure of creation—not from accumulating wealth. Greene suspects that other innovators, such as Elon Musk, are fueled more by the excitement of new ideas and creation than by material rewards.
Greene stresses that much of modern misery, unhappiness, and depression is rooted in disconnection—from others, from surroundings, and even from oneself. People may have success, financial comfort, and stable families yet still feel unfulfilled, as illustrated by Greene’s recounting of a psychotherapist’s patient named Miguel. Despite a good job, beautiful home, marriage, and children, Miguel felt something was missing. Intensive talk therapy failed to address the emptiness until the therapist took him on a daunting climb of Aconcagua in the Andes. Exposure to the greater scale and risk of nature dramatically altered Miguel’s perspective, shrinking his ego’s significance and reminding him of a reality larger than his achievements.
This sense of separation from something larger—whether nature, meaning, or a higher power—can lead to anxiety and diminish the satisfaction from achievement. True fulfillment comes not just from individual success but from recognizing and experiencing connection beyond oneself.
Greene believes that career, money, or status can never substitute for the spiritual dimension in life. For millennia, religion provided a sense of connection to something transcendent, offering comfort in the face of mortality and the insignificance of any one person’s achievements. Religion grounded people, helping them cope with the harsh realities of suffering, loss, and death because it posited something enduring beyond the individual.
Greene observes that as religion has declined in modern society, many are left unprepared for inevitable challenges such as illness, aging, and the loss of loved ones. Without cultivating spiritual grounding in youth or middle age, people may reach later years unable to manage the crises and losses life brings. Spiritual practice or connection to something larger than oneself helps anchor meaning when career, health, and external status inevitably wane.
Greene asserts that humans are fundamentally social. Genuine happiness, fulfillment, and power arise from understanding and deeply connecting with others, rather than from accolades or possessions. Being fully present with loved ones and perceiving them as unique, conscious subjects—not mere extensions of oneself or objects for achievement—creates a source of meaning, love, and resilience that work or material wealth cannot match.
He illustrates this through the story of his own stroke. Greene’s wife literally saved his life by recognizing the danger and acting fast, and her calm and compassion during his emergency and long recovery cemented a new depth in their relationship. After his stroke, Greene says his love for his wife b ...
Finding Meaning Beyond Material Success
Robert Greene delves into the profound puzzle of consciousness and what occurs after death, exploring perspectives from neuroscience, philosophy, and his own experience.
Greene recounts the story of Jill Bolte Taylor, a neuroscientist who had a stroke and, for three hours, experienced a world where the brain wasn’t actively constructing what she perceived. Greene explains that the brain typically simplifies and patterns sensory information to create what we understand as consensus reality. Taylor’s altered state—caused by her stroke—revealed an experience where the familiar filters were absent, suggesting that the brain is deeply involved in shaping what we call reality. Greene asserts that exploring how the brain assembles this consensus reveals the possibility of gaining access to alternative modes of perception that might uncover hidden dimensions of existence.
Greene discusses the growing support among scientists, physicists, and neuroscientists for panpsychism—the idea that consciousness permeates the universe, not just individual brains. He notes that many eminent thinkers believe consciousness is everywhere in the universe, not just the domain of so-called "quacks." Greene expands on the concept by proposing that human minds may not generate consciousness but instead act as receivers or tuners, drawing from a universal phenomenon that exists independently. Drawing from Buddhism, he references the idea of “one mind,” where individual consciousness is seen as an expression of a transcendent awareness that connects all existence. When people are born, they might be tuning into this pervasive consciousness, and potentially reconnect with it at death.
Greene highlights evidence from cases where individuals have experienced awareness during periods when their brains had no measurable activity. He describes a specific surgical procedure where a patient’s body is cooled, blood removed and replaced, and brain activity monitored as essentially absent—almost biologically dead except for life support. Despite this, the patient reported specific details about conversations and the environment during the operation. The same patient also described encounters with light, deceased relatives, and a sense of transcending ordinary experience, reflecting classic near-death experiences (NDEs). Greene notes that such experiences are documented across cultures, and literature exists compiling these accounts. He poi ...
Consciousness, Near-Death Experiences, and What Happens After Death
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