In this episode of The School of Greatness, cardiologist Dr. Tara Narula discusses the connection between stress, mental health, and cardiovascular disease. Drawing from her clinical experience, she explains how emotional distress often takes precedence over physical symptoms in her patients, and how chronic stress directly contributes to heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiac conditions through mechanisms like inflammation and plaque formation.
Dr. Narula and Lewis Howes explore practical strategies for building resilience, including acceptance, flexible thinking, maintaining social connections, and therapy. They discuss how modern stressors—from social media to fear-based news—chronically activate the body's stress response, and why integrating mental health assessment into routine medical care is essential for prevention. The conversation also covers raising resilient children and equipping them with tools to navigate life's inevitable challenges, emphasizing that resilience is a learnable skill that strengthens with practice.

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Dr. Tara Narula emphasizes the profound interconnection between emotional, psychological, and cardiovascular health, drawing from her experiences as a cardiologist to highlight the bidirectional relationship between stress, mental health, and heart disease.
Dr. Narula observes that most patients who visit her cardiology practice begin conversations not with physical symptoms but with concerns about stress, anxiety, depression, or feeling overwhelmed. High blood pressure readings often result from initial nervousness, which quickly diminishes when patients have a safe space to share their feelings. Many patients express deep gratitude for simply being heard and validated, finding this emotional support more meaningful than clinical interventions alone.
Dr. Narula explains that stress can directly cause heart disease through multiple mechanisms. Takotsubo cardiomyopathy, or "broken heart syndrome," can occur following massive hormonal surges triggered by intense emotional events. Chronic stress activates fight-or-flight hormones, leading to plaque formation, inflammation, and increased risk for heart attacks, stroke, and arrhythmias. Patients may also experience chest pain during stressful periods due to microvessel dysfunction or vascular spasms, even when imaging shows no structural heart disease.
Dr. Narula criticizes medical education for not integrating psychology into practice. Medical students aren't taught emotional intelligence, trauma-informed communication, or how to deliver bad news effectively. Many patients cannot prioritize their cardiac care if they're overwhelmed by mental health struggles, yet systemic shortages and high costs make mental health care largely inaccessible. She emphasizes that cardiac diagnosis itself triggers trauma, with patients ruminating on mortality and disability. Dr. Narula reframes recovery not as returning to one's former self, but as a transformation into something new and equally capable of joy and purpose.
Dr. Tara Narula and Lewis Howes discuss the critical need for teaching resilience, presenting a toolkit comprising acceptance, flexibility, purpose, social connection, faith, and therapy for building resilience to face life's inevitable challenges.
Narula highlights that adversity is universal—everyone will encounter hardship. Citing Dr. Lucy Hone's research, she argues that recognizing this truth helps remove the initial shock and denial that often accompany setbacks. By accepting that suffering is inevitable rather than resisting it, individuals move more quickly from disbelief to action and recovery.
Flexible thinking is vital for resilience, as life's disruptions often require individuals to modify long-held visions for their future. Narula shares resilience researcher Lucy Hone's analogy of "moving the goalpost," affirming that it's acceptable to create a new vision of one's future after loss or change. Drawing from Michelangelo's metaphor, Narula asserts that adversity reveals rather than destroys one's essential self.
Purpose acts as a "lighthouse" through hardship, with many people transforming suffering into meaningful work. Narula cites the Harvard Waldinger Study, which concluded that relationships, not wealth or professional achievement, are the greatest predictors of happiness and health. She encourages activities that foster connection, from joining groups to simply talking with friends, while noting that modern life often encourages isolation behind devices.
Faith and spiritual practices activate the parasympathetic nervous system, lowering stress hormones and inducing relaxation. Therapy, including cognitive behavioral therapy, helps people reframe negative thought patterns and diminish catastrophic thinking. Narula frames resilience as a learnable skill that strengthens with practice, like a muscle. Regular practice through acceptance, flexibility, and maintaining connections builds neural pathways, creating mental "memory" for handling future adversity more effectively.
Tara Narula emphasizes the vital need to embed mental health practices into mainstream medical care, highlighting that addressing psychological wellbeing is essential for holistic treatment and prevention of physical diseases.
Narula notes that research on Navy Seals, prisoners of war, and 9/11 responders demonstrates that resilience is a learnable skill, yet this knowledge isn't broadly included in medical training. She advocates for integrating resilience education into clinical practice, urging physicians to deliver bad news with emotional intelligence, refer patients for therapy when appropriate, and provide resources that help patients build resilience alongside medical interventions.
Narula highlights a major 52-country study showing that chronic stress doubles the risk of heart attacks. She describes experiments demonstrating that simple mental stress exercises immediately altered blood flow to the heart, showing that by proactively managing patients' stress and psychological wellbeing, physicians can prevent the progression from risk factors to catastrophic events like heart attacks and strokes—a more cost-effective approach than treating developed disease.
Narula routinely assesses every patient's mental health during medical encounters, asking about stress levels and diagnoses of depression, anxiety, or PTSD. She emphasizes that these psychological factors are as significant as cholesterol levels, high blood pressure, and smoking status. She also recommends clinicians take spiritual histories alongside medical histories, ensuring comprehensive patient care.
Dr. Tara Narula and Lewis Howes explore the growing impact of modern technology, media, and urban environments on our biological stress response, highlighting how nature and genuine connection can counterbalance these effects.
Dr. Narula explains that the stress response is an innate survival mechanism meant to be activated temporarily. Today, everyday stressors trigger this life-saving response incessantly, leaving people in a constant state of fight or flight. This chronic activation leads to three stages: alarm, resistance, and exhaustion or burnout. In high-stress urban environments like New York City, up to 90% of her patients exhibit chronic sympathetic activation, linked to plaque buildup, inflammation, arrhythmias, heart attacks, and strokes.
Dr. Narula warns that screens, especially social media, manipulate the brain's reward system by providing constant [restricted term] hits. This rewiring makes real-world experiences seem boring and unsatisfying, particularly for children. Social media also fuels comparisons to others, leading to feelings of inadequacy, anxiety, and depression. Devices offer easy escape from discomfort, but this avoidance prevents development of resilience and genuine coping skills.
Lewis Howes notes the prevalence of fear-based news and medical advertisements, which contribute to unnecessary health anxiety. Constant exposure to crisis-centered media fuels chronic stress, with some of Narula's patients stopping news consumption entirely. Narula encourages limiting exposure to fear-based media and suggests reading curated newsletters instead.
Dr. Narula emphasizes the restorative power of small, positive interactions with loved ones, nature, and mindful activities. Simple actions such as holding hands, engaging in conversations, or spending time in nature activate the parasympathetic nervous system, which dials down stress. She describes the benefits her family experiences by leaving the city for the countryside each weekend, finding peace in nature and community that helps counteract chronic urban stress.
Tara Narula emphasizes that while parents can't shield children from every hardship, they can equip them with a "resilience kit"—practical strategies and wisdom to navigate inevitable adversity.
Narula credits her father, an immigrant who arrived in the U.S. with nothing and built a career in cardiology, for instilling resilience through survival stories and repeated affirmations that she could survive anything. At age 22, she faced her own health crisis in medical school, losing vision in part of her right eye. The uncertainty triggered spiraling anxiety until she confronted her fear and accepted the unknown, transforming theoretical understanding of resilience into lived wisdom. Her mother shared the serenity prayer with her, helping Narula find peace with uncertainty and concentrate on what was in her control.
Narula asserts that outcomes improve dramatically when patients reject a victim identity. She references Richard Cohen's memoir "Blindsided" and Sonia Wazdin's story, both of whom focused on active acceptance and forward-moving paths despite serious illness. Some of her patients begin with a victim mentality but learn through conversations to focus on moving forward, while others, buoyed by inherent optimism and faith, heal more quickly.
Narula prioritizes teaching her children to tolerate discomfort and boredom without turning to digital devices for instant relief. Her 14-year-old daughter still doesn't have a phone, and her family encourages finding answers independently rather than defaulting to quick searches. She aims to develop her children's capacity to sit with discomfort and to internally generate satisfaction. She also engages in frequent conversations about self-worth and authenticity, affirming her daughters exactly as they are to shield them from the self-doubt social media often triggers.
Narula believes children should internalize that adversity is universal, flexibility is more valuable than rigidity, and meaning can be found in suffering. Starting resilience training in early childhood through stories, music, and real-life modeling strengthens neural pathways crucial for navigating greater challenges as adults. She also advocates for spiritual assessment in medical practice, noting that spirituality can shape patients' care decisions and bolster resilience in illness.
For Narula, greatness lies in authentic self-acceptance and the ability to love oneself and others despite flaws. She teaches that unconditional love is the ultimate reason for being, and that true greatness is being a healing presence in the world—changing lives through words, compassion, and shining a light for others.
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Dr. Tara Narula highlights the deep interconnection between emotional, psychological, and cardiovascular health, drawing from her everyday experiences as a cardiologist and emphasizing the bidirectional relationship between stress, mental health, and heart disease.
Dr. Narula observes that although patients visit her for concerns such as cardiovascular risk, blood pressure, or history of heart attacks or strokes, conversations rarely start with physical symptoms. Instead, most patients open up about feeling stressed, depressed, anxious, or overwhelmed by life events. Frequently, their immediate concerns are rooted in mental or emotional distress rather than their clinical numbers or diagnostic results. High blood pressure readings often result from initial nervousness, which quickly diminishes when the patient has a safe space to share, emphasizing the genuine influence of anxiety and stress on immediate biology.
Dr. Narula finds that the act of simply listening and validating patient distress is often more meaningful than medical interventions. Many patients express deep gratitude for opportunities to cry, to be heard, and to feel vulnerable in a judgment-free environment. Being told it’s okay not to feel okay offers significant relief, reducing their physiological stress response. Patients routinely thank Dr. Narula for this compassion and validation rather than specific clinical achievements.
Dr. Narula underlines that stress can directly cause heart disease even in people with no physical risk factors. Stress-induced heart attacks, or Takotsubo cardiomyopathy ("broken heart syndrome"), can occur following massive hormonal surges—such as epinephrine and adrenaline—triggered by intense emotional events, whether negative or even extremely positive. This phenomenon, more common in older women, temporarily stuns the heart, resulting in characteristic ballooning. While most patients recover, there is risk of heart failure, arrhythmia, or even death.
Chronic stress activates the body’s fight-or-flight hormones, leading to plaque formation, inflammation, and increased risk for arterial rupture. This can ignite heart attacks, stroke, arrhythmias, or heart failure. Dr. Narula describes stress as one of the greatest under-addressed health threats in America, with visible biological evidence: PET scans and functional MRIs show brain regions under stress lighting up alongside inflammation in vessels and bone marrow, reinforcing the tangible physiological damage tied to chronic stress.
Patients may experience chest pain, tightness, or pressure during stressful periods even when imaging shows no obvious structural heart disease. Under stress, microvessels can malfunction or spasm, producing real, biological discomfort. Dr. Narula has experienced this herself during personal times of stress, reflecting the direct power of mind-body interaction.
Dr. Narula criticizes the medical establishment for not integrating psychology into medical practice or education. Medical students are not taught the importance of emotional intelligence, trauma-informed communication, or how to deliver bad news. Psychological and physical health are compartmentalized, leading to failure in connecting crucial dots for comprehensive patient care.
Many patients cannot prioritize their cardiac care or adhere to medication and lifestyle changes if they are overwhelmed by depression, anxiety, trauma, or life stressors. Dr. Narula emphasizes that prescriptions and tests are often secondary to ensuring patients are mentally ...
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Dr. Tara Narula and Lewis Howes discuss the critical need for teaching resilience, emphasizing that adversity is an inevitable part of the human condition. They present a toolkit comprising acceptance, flexibility, purpose, social connection, faith, and therapy, all backed by experience and research, for building resilience to face life’s challenges and to thrive in the aftermath.
Tara Narula highlights that adversity does not discriminate—everyone, regardless of background, will encounter hardship. Citing Dr. Lucy Hone’s research, she argues that recognizing this truth helps remove the initial shock and denial that often accompany setbacks. By accepting that suffering is universal rather than resisting or questioning its occurrence, individuals move more quickly from disbelief to action and recovery.
Acceptance of life's difficulties is the first and essential tool for resilience. Narula stresses that teaching children and adults alike to embrace this reality enables them to engage with life more fully when setbacks occur, providing a foundation for overcoming and healing from life’s inevitable challenges.
Flexible thinking is vital for resilience. Life's disruptions often require individuals to let go of old goals or modify long-held visions for their future. Narula shares resilience researcher Lucy Hone’s analogy of "moving the goalpost" and affirms that it's acceptable—and sometimes necessary—to create a new, beautiful image of one's future after loss or change. Adapting aspirations turns adversity into opportunities for growth.
Drawing from Michelangelo’s metaphor of carving the angel from marble, Narula asserts that adversity may chip away at a person, but it simultaneously reveals their essential self. Challenges, rather than indicate brokenness, show evidence of personal evolution and inner beauty.
Purpose acts as a "lighthouse" through hardship. After encountering trauma, many find themselves pursuing a passion or embarking on a new journey. This transformative process helps reframe suffering into meaningful work, providing the anchor needed to move forward and create a fulfilling life despite losses or change.
Often, as Lewis Howes notes, individuals discover purpose in helping others with similar experiences. Narula agrees, underscoring how individuals convert their trauma into advocacy and support, finding empowerment and additional healing by aiding others.
Social connections are indispensable. Narula cites the Harvard Waldinger Study—the largest and longest study of human happiness—which concluded that relationships, not wealth or professional achievement, are the greatest predictors of happiness and health. She encourages activities that foster connection, such as joining groups, walking or talking with friends, or simply making small efforts to interact with others in daily life.
Despite evidence that relationships are fundamental to well-being, Narula observes that modern life, especially in cities, encourages isolation—people often withdraw behind devices or avoid connecting, even in close quarters. She urges prioritizing and nurturing real-world relationships to build resilience, relieve stress, and improve both emotional and physical health.
Faith and spirituality are powerful, evidence-based tools for resilience. Narula explains that practices like prayer or meditation activate the parasympathetic nervous system, lowering stress hormones such as cortisol and inducing deep relaxation. For many, spiritual rituals serve as resets that help manage stress and maintain calm.
Narula acknowledges faith’s role in healing. She shares that many patients attribute their resilience and recovery to faith, and literature documents prayer’s impact on health outcomes. The mindset that comes with faith—confidence in a supportive spiritual presence—can drive both healing and resilience. Narula dedicates a chapter ...
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Tara Narula emphasizes the vital need to embed mental health practices into mainstream medical care, highlighting that addressing psychological wellbeing is essential for holistic treatment and prevention of physical diseases.
Narula draws on extensive research from psychology, noting that studies of Navy Seals, prisoners of war, and 9/11 responders all demonstrate that resilience—the ability to recover from stress—is a learnable skill innate to everyone. Despite these insights, resilience training is not broadly included in medical school curricula or hospital practice. Narula advocates for integrating this knowledge into clinical education, stressing that medical training should prepare physicians to address not just physical symptoms, but also the psychological stress responses of patients.
She explicitly recommends that, when delivering a diagnosis—which often creates significant stress—doctors should also give patients a clear roadmap for navigating the ensuing emotional turmoil, rather than leaving them to face trauma unsupported. This would include prescribing resilience training alongside medical interventions. Furthermore, Narula urges physicians to deliver bad news with emotional intelligence, refer patients for therapy when appropriate, and provide resources that help patients build resilience as they confront serious health challenges.
Narula highlights the preventative power of mental health care, referencing a major 52-country international study showing that chronic stress doubles the risk of heart attacks. She describes experiments in which simple mental stress exercises, such as performing arithmetic like subtracting by sevens, immediately altered blood flow to the heart, demonstrating the profound impact of mental stress on physical health.
The implication is clear: by proactively managing a patient’s stress and psychological wellbeing, physicians can do more than help them recover—they can prevent the progression from risk factors to catastrophic events like heart attacks and strokes. This proactive approach is more co ...
Integrating Mental Health Into Medical Care: Addressing Psychological Wellbeing Alongside Physical Treatment
Dr. Tara Narula and Lewis Howes explore the growing impact of modern technology, media, and urban environments on our biological stress response, highlighting the dangers of chronic stress and how nature and genuine connection can counterbalance these effects.
Dr. Narula explains that the stress response is an innate survival mechanism. In an acute situation—such as escaping a predator—our body increases blood pressure, heart rate, and breathing while shutting down non-essential functions like digestion and reproduction. This system is vital for survival but is meant to be switched on temporarily.
Today, everyday stressors—like an unpleasant phone call or a minor argument—trigger this life-saving response incessantly, leaving people in a constant state of fight or flight. This chronic activation, "day after day, hour after hour," leads to damaging health consequences rather than helping us escape danger.
Narula references the foundational model of stress, which outlines three stages: alarm ("Oh my gosh, what's happening?"), resistance (pushing through the stress), and exhaustion or burnout (when one can no longer cope and becomes chronically sick). With the constant stress of modern life, many people live in the exhaustion phase, experiencing burnout.
Dr. Narula shares that in high-stress urban environments like New York City, up to 90% of her patients exhibit chronic sympathetic (stress) activation. This unrelenting stress is linked to a range of physical diseases, including plaque buildup, inflammation, arrhythmias, heart attacks, strokes, and overall burnout.
Dr. Narula warns that screens, especially social media, manipulate the brain’s reward system by providing constant [restricted term] hits. This rewiring can make real-world experiences seem boring and unsatisfying, particularly for children whose brains are still developing.
The rapid-fire stimulation children and adults receive online makes it difficult for them to pay attention or find fulfillment in daily life. The brain adapts to expect instant rewards, undermining attention and satisfaction with routine real-world interactions.
Social media also floods users with comparisons to others, leading to feelings of inadequacy, anxiety, and depression. When young people compare themselves to unrealistic standards of beauty, wealth, or success, it increases their stress and the risk of disease.
Social media and devices offer an easy escape from discomfort, but this avoidance prevents development of resilience and healthy coping skills. Overreliance on devices reduces opportunities for real-life social interactions and genuine emotional regulation.
Lewis Howes notes the prevalence of fear-based news and the overwhelming number of medical advertisements—about 30-40%—which contribute to unnecessary health anxiety.
Constant exposure to medical advertisements drives people to worry excessively about potential illnesses and their symptoms, even if irrelevant to their situation.
Continuous consumption of news and commercials centered on crisis and catastrophe fuels chronic stress. Some patients, recognizing this negative impact, have stopped watching the news entirely.
Narula encourages limiting exposure to fear-based media. Instead, she suggests reading curated newsletters to stay informed without becoming overwhelmed by anxiety-inducing reporting.
Narula and Howes observe how ...
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Tara Narula emphasizes that while parents can’t shield children from every hardship, they can equip them with a “resilience kit”—practical strategies, wisdom, and ways to navigate inevitable adversity. She sees her work and writing as both a public resource and a personal legacy for her daughters to draw from during difficult times.
Narula credits her father, an immigrant from India who arrived in the U.S. with nothing and built a career in cardiology, for instilling resilience. She grew up hearing his survival stories and repeated affirmations that no matter what happens, she could survive. These stories infused her from a young age with the understanding that challenges are surmountable.
At age 22, Narula faced her own crucible while in medical school, losing vision in part of her right eye. Specialists offered dire possibilities: multiple sclerosis or stroke, requiring annual brain MRIs for five years. The uncertainty triggered spiraling anxiety, as she interpreted every new sensation as further deterioration. It was only after confronting her fear and accepting the unknown that she began to heal. The experience transformed theoretical understanding of resilience into lived wisdom.
During her health ordeal, Narula’s mother shared the serenity prayer with her: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things you cannot change, the courage to change the things you can and the wisdom to know the difference.” This message, reinforced by her mother’s guidance, helped Narula find peace with uncertainty and concentrate on what was in her control—enabling her to move forward instead of being consumed by worry over hypothetical futures.
Narula drew further inspiration from Richard Cohen’s memoir “Blindsided.” Diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and colon cancer, Cohen continued building a rich life despite physical setbacks—working, maintaining friendships, and raising children. Rather than define himself by illness or adopt a victim identity, he focused on active acceptance and a forward-moving path. Similarly, Narula references Sonia Wazdin, whose decision to move beyond a victim mentality despite lifelong bipolar disorder allowed her to find deeper meaning and enduring relationships.
Narula asserts that outcomes improve dramatically when patients and individuals reject a victim identity. Some of her patients begin with a victim mentality, but through conversations and encouragement, learn to focus on moving forward. Others, buoyed by inherent optimism, faith, and resilience, face hardship with remarkable adaptability, healing more quickly and experiencing less suffering.
She recounts the story of a patient who had lost much of his former vitality. Over time, however, he found joy through acceptance and friendship—embracing laughter and shared experiences like fishing, which allowed him to appreciate life even with physical limitations.
Narula prioritizes teaching her children to tolerate discomfort and boredom without turning to digital devices for instant relief. For example, her 14-year-old daughter still does not have a phone, and her family encourages finding answers independently rather than defaulting to quick searches. She aims to develop her children’s capacity to sit with boredom or anxiety and to internally generate satisfaction, fostering self-regulation and resilience.
Narula also engages in frequent conversations with her children about self-worth and authenticity. She cautions against comparing oneself to others online and stresses the importance of self-acceptance and recognizing intrinsic value. By affirming her daughters exactly as they are, Narula hopes to shield them from the self-doubt social media often triggers.
To truly build resilience, Narula believes children should internalize that adversity is part of life, flexibility is more valuable than rigidity, and meaning can be found in suffering. These lessons help transform setbacks into sources of strength and wisdom rather than chronic defeat.
She believes that starting resilience training in early childhood—through stories, music, and real-life modeling like the song “ ...
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