In this episode of The School of Greatness, Lewis Howes speaks with Holocaust survivor Dr. Edith Eger about transforming trauma into personal empowerment. Eger shares insights from her experiences at Auschwitz and her career as a psychologist, discussing how repressed emotions can cause more harm than the original trauma and why confronting past suffering can reclaim personal power. She emphasizes the importance of moving beyond victim identity and taking responsibility for how we respond to circumstances beyond our control.
The conversation covers practical approaches to emotional healing, including self-parenting techniques, the role of curiosity in resilience, and the distinction between seeking revenge and choosing forgiveness. Eger also addresses authentic living, explaining how releasing the need for others' approval enables genuine self-expression. Throughout the discussion, she offers guidance on communication, conflict resolution, and finding meaning in suffering—viewing challenges as opportunities for growth rather than permanent wounds.

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Edith Eger and Lewis Howes discuss approaches to emotional healing, focusing on confronting repressed emotions, revisiting traumas to reclaim power, and using curiosity and present-focused thinking to overcome suffering.
Eger shares that unprocessed emotions trapped in the body cause more suffering than the original traumatic event. She emphasizes using direct language to express emotions—acknowledging sadness, anger, and fear—rather than pathologizing them as clinical depression. Avoiding emotions often manifests as depression or mental health struggles, while healthy outlets like crying, screaming into a pillow, or even intense laughter release trapped emotional energy. Eger warns that what stays inside harms you more than what comes out, though she cautions against addiction to any excess. She describes anger as a mask for deeper fears—beneath it often lies the terror of being unlovable or facing rejection. She suggests writing down all personal fears and systematically addressing them.
Eger urges individuals to return to sites of past suffering to transform their relationship to trauma. She recounts holding clients' hands as they revisit rooms or homes linked to trauma, guiding them to reclaim lost innocence and assign guilt back to perpetrators. Her own journey back to Auschwitz exemplified this approach, enabling her to confront her trauma and reclaim her power. She and Howes describe using Gestalt therapy techniques like chair exercises, where a person visualizes the perpetrator and externalizes their anger. Eger distinguishes between revenge and forgiveness, noting that while revenge brings brief satisfaction, only forgiveness brings lasting freedom.
Eger advocates for solution-oriented thinking. Instead of asking "Why me?"—a question rooted in the past—she recommends asking "What now?" to focus on the present and move forward. She emphasizes that you cannot change external circumstances or the past, but you can control how you transform negativity into strength. Eger credits her lifelong curiosity as critical to her survival and resilience, encouraging others to maintain curiosity as a valuable asset in adapting to suffering and envisioning possibilities beyond trauma.
Eger explores how moving beyond a victim identity transforms suffering into empowerment and resilience.
Eger warns that holding onto a victim identity creates a chronic pattern where victims seek out victimizers to reaffirm their victimhood. Some victims may even identify with their aggressors—similar to Stockholm syndrome—causing individuals to fluctuate between victim and perpetrator, sustaining trauma cycles across generations. Eger stresses distinguishing between being victimized—a circumstance—and adopting a victim identity. She emphasizes, "I was victimized. It's not who I am. It's what was done to me."
Eger believes suffering can be a powerful catalyst for growth, stating "you have power the way you choose to take the negative and turn it into positive." She refers to her Auschwitz trauma as her "cherished wound," describing how she has come to terms with what happened rather than trying to overcome it. By finding meaning in suffering, individuals build resilience and deepen their understanding. Eger notes that "suffering makes you stronger" and that learning from history prevents repeating destructive cycles.
Eger emphasizes that while you cannot change external events, you have power in how you respond to them. The actions of perpetrators belong to them, but survivors retain the power of interpretation and meaning-making. This shift prevents self-blame and empowers individuals to reclaim their narratives, transforming pain into purpose and growth.
Eger and Howes discuss the transformative process of self-parenting—becoming a nurturing internal parent to meet emotional needs and making conscious choices that empower growth.
Eger encourages finding the wounded inner child within and offering nurturing care. Howes shares that he keeps a childhood photo and revisits it to have conversations with his younger self. Both emphasize allowing the inner child to feel emotions fully. Eger asks, "Are you a good parent to you?" and notes that being a good parent to yourself involves daily acts of self-care. She clarifies that "love yourself is not narcissistic"—self-love is self-care, not selfishness.
Eger recommends deep breathing as a practical tool: "Take a deep breath, and if that doesn't work, take another." Pausing to breathe creates space to respond rather than react, allowing for thoughtful, conscious choices. She distinguishes between unthinking reactions and conscious responses, noting that mindful breathing empowers you to shape your experience.
Eger offers a guiding question: "Is this empowering me or depleting me?" She advocates constant self-check-ins about whether patterns support growth or undermine it. However, she stresses that insight alone is insufficient: "Positive thinking has nothing to do with anything unless it's followed with a positive action." Real change occurs only when awareness leads to practical steps.
Eger emphasizes that authentic living requires giving up self-deception and the pursuit of others' approval.
Eger stresses not seeking to please others, regarding the release of this need as essential to living authentically. "If you like me, fine. If you don't, that's okay." She reframes rejection as merely not getting what one wants and urges people to abandon the concept. This capacity to relinquish dependence on others' approval allowed her to preserve her identity amid the horrors of Auschwitz at age sixteen.
Eger distinguishes between living to impress others and living according to convictions. She notes that seeking validation makes one dependent on others' judgments, while those who ask "How can I contribute?" sustain their own power. She counsels being your own "good mommy," prioritizing self-compassion over the urge to impress others. She encourages acceptance that doing one's best is sufficient: "Good enough is good enough."
Eger advocates accepting imperfection and redefining mistakes as learning opportunities. She underscores that self-forgiveness comes from acknowledging that everyone does the best they can with available knowledge and resources. She insists on doing "what is humanly possible" each day and accepting mistakes: "You're human. You're gonna make mistakes, that's fine."
Eger emphasizes that silent partners who avoid expressing feelings to prevent conflict may diminish connection and passion. She stresses the importance of clear communication and creating an environment where all emotions are safe to express. She highlights that fathers should model respect by never raising their voice with the mother, and points out the damaging effect of starting sentences with "you" when angry, as this often leads to defensiveness.
Eger advocates for agreeing to disagree to preserve dignity and relationships. She insists on avoiding the "I'm good, you're bad" dynamic and reminds us that all parties are human and make mistakes. Approaching disagreements with curiosity rather than defensiveness supports growth. She recommends never raising one's voice and avoiding accusatory "you" statements to protect emotional safety during conflict, allowing for respectful exchange while maintaining mutual respect.
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Edith Eger and Lewis Howes discuss approaches to emotional healing, focusing on the importance of confronting and releasing repressed emotions, the necessity of revisiting traumas to reclaim personal power, and the value of curiosity and present-focused thinking in overcoming suffering.
Eger shares that unprocessed emotions trapped in the body can cause more suffering than the original traumatic event. She emphasizes that pathologizing sadness or fear as clinical depression is often a misdiagnosis; these feelings are part of an existential vacuum described by Victor Frankl. Eger recommends using direct language to express emotions—acknowledging sadness, anger, and fear without necessarily labeling them as medical conditions. She stresses not to minimize or ignore these emotions.
Eger explains that avoiding or repressing emotions often turns into depression or other mental health struggles. The energy of suppressed feelings manifests as problems like sadness or fear, rather than being released.
Healthy outlets for emotion are essential. Eger encourages crying, screaming—such as into a pillow—and even laughing intensely to release trapped emotional energy. She insists that what comes out of the body will not harm you, but what stays inside does. However, she warns against becoming addicted to any excess—whether rage, drinking, or even religious theater.
Eger describes anger as a mask for deeper fears. Beneath anger often lies the terror of being unlovable, not enough, or at risk of rejection. She suggests writing down all personal fears from least to most anxiety-provoking and systematically addressing them, reminding that people are born with love, joy, and passion, not with fear. She notes the greatest fear for a child is abandonment.
Eger shares her personal experience of revisiting Auschwitz decades later. She urges individuals to return, in some way, to the sites of past suffering to transform their relationship to trauma—not as a repetition, but as a new beginning.
She recounts holding clients’ hands—figuratively or literally—as they revisit rooms, homes, or hallways linked to trauma, guiding them to reclaim their lost innocence and to assign guilt or shame back to the perpetrator, not the victim. Eger's journey back to Auschwitz exemplified this approach, enabling her to look at the “lion” of her trauma and reclaim her power.
Eger and Howes describe the use of Gestalt therapy techniques such as chair exercises, where a person visualizes the perpetrator in an empty chair and externalizes their anger—screaming and demanding answers as if the abuser were present. This pra ...
Emotional Healing and Processing Trauma
Edith Eger explores how moving beyond a victim identity can transform suffering into empowerment and resilience, offering insights rooted in her own survival and psychological expertise.
Eger warns that holding onto a victim identity leads to a chronic pattern: "every time you are a victim, you're going to find a victimizer." This dynamic perpetuates itself, as victims seek out perpetrators to reaffirm their own sense of victimhood. She notes that, psychologically, some victims may even begin to identify with their aggressors—a phenomenon akin to Stockholm syndrome—because "victims are weak, and victimizers are strong." This identification can cause individuals to fluctuate between being a victim and becoming a perpetrator themselves, sustaining the cycle of trauma across generations. Eger stresses the importance of distinguishing between being victimized—a circumstance—and adopting a victim identity, which can prevent empowerment. She emphasizes, "I was victimized. It's not who I am. It's what was done to me. Very different." By refusing to define herself through her suffering, she disrupts the cycle and asserts the necessity of making conscious choices to move beyond victimhood.
Eger believes that suffering can be a powerful catalyst for personal growth: "you have power the way you choose to take the negative and turn it into positive." She encourages viewing painful experiences not as defining, but as lessons and opportunities for transformation. She refers to her trauma from Auschwitz as her "cherished wound," describing how she has come to terms with what happened rather than trying to overcome or forget it. By finding meaning in suffering, Eger echoes Viktor Frankl’s idea of the "existential vacuum," distinguishing this process from clinical depression. The cherished wound becomes a source of insight and strength. She says, "suffering makes you stronger," and learning from history fosters wisdom to avoid repeating destructive cycles. "You learn from history, so you won’t repeat it." Through accepting suffering and creating meaning from it, individuals build res ...
Transforming Victim Mentality Into Empowerment
Edith Eger and Lewis Howes discuss the transformative process of self-parenting—becoming a nurturing internal parent to meet emotional needs, and making conscious choices that empower personal growth and well-being.
Edith Eger encourages finding the wounded inner child—the little boy or girl inside who is still crying and longing for care. She advises having a talk with yourself, visualizing the child within who is still looking for a loving parent, and offering nurturing gestures, like "buying him an ice cream cone." Lewis Howes shares that he keeps a childhood photo and revisits it in his mind to have conversations with his younger self, seeking to understand and heal past wounds. Both emphasize allowing the inner child to feel emotions fully rather than just talking about them.
Eger asks, "Are you a good parent to you?" and admits it took her years to answer yes, just as Howes found peace through the ongoing work of self-nurture. Being a "good mommy" or "good parent" to yourself involves daily acts of self-care, such as "eat your spinach"—making healthy, loving choices for your well-being. Eger notes the importance of giving yourself permission to let go of the pain from the past and to embrace self-love, clarifying that "love yourself is not narcissistic." Self-love is self-care, not selfishness or narcissism. Howes echoes that permission is key to healing: allow yourself to replace old pain with self-love.
Eger underlines that embracing self-love through caring actions is not narcissism. It is about providing healthy attention to your needs and growth, distinguishing it from self-centered selfishness.
Eger recommends using deep breathing as a practical tool: "Take a deep breath, and if that doesn't work, take another." Pausing to breathe gives you the space to respond instead of react, allowing for thoughtful, conscious choices rather than automatic, impulsive reactions.
She further suggests that you can choose to transform negative stimuli into positive ones: "The longer they talk, the more relaxed I become." This cognitive shift, turning suffering and challenge into sources of strength, empowers you to grow from adversity.
Self-Parenting and Personal Responsibility
Dr. Edith Eger emphasizes that authentic living requires individuals to give up faking, self-deception, and the pursuit of others’ approval. She advocates for embracing one’s true self, regardless of external validation, as the core of psychological freedom and personal fulfillment.
Eger stresses the importance of not lying to oneself or seeking to please others. She regards giving up the need for others’ approval as essential to living authentically. “If you like me, fine. If you don’t, that’s okay.” She reframes rejection, saying it is merely an invented word for when one does not get what one wants and urges people to abandon the concept and accompanying drama—it is not real power over the self.
This shift became critical for her at age sixteen, amid the horrors of the Auschwitz concentration camp. She describes how she developed a cherished inner resource: the ability to relinquish any dependence on others’ approval. This capacity allowed her to preserve her core identity and psychological autonomy in the midst of unimaginable adversity.
Eger distinguishes between living to impress others and living according to one’s convictions. She notes, “Seeking validation makes one dependent on others’ judgments.” Instead, those who ask, “How can I contribute?” and give from authentic values sustain their own power and fulfillment. She urges people to empower one another by honoring differences: “You do it your way, I do it my way.”
Eger also counsels being your own “good mommy,” prioritizing self-compassion and self-serving actions over continual self-blame or the urge to impress others. She acknowledges the trap of constantly pushing oneself for more and more, encouraging acceptance that doing one’s best is sufficient. “Good enough is good enough,” she often repeats, highlighting the value of embracing sufficiency over endless striving.
Authentic Living and Freedom From Others' Approval
Open and vulnerable communication forms the foundation of deep connection and authentic partnership. Edith Eger emphasizes that silent partners who avoid expressing their feelings to prevent conflict may also diminish the connection and passion within a relationship. She stresses the importance of clear communication to ensure mutual understanding and urges both partners to create an environment in which all emotions are safe to express. This openness fosters authentic partnerships where individuals feel seen and heard rather than suppressed by protective silence.
Eger highlights the significance of role modeling within families, especially for fathers. She insists that a father should never raise his voice with the mother—demonstrating respect brings security to the family dynamic. Additionally, Eger points out the damaging effect of starting sentences with "you" when angry, as such phrasing often leads to defensiveness and feelings of being attacked, dampening emotional safety.
When conflict arises, moving beyond blame to a place of mutual understanding and learning is essential. Eger advocates for the principle of agreeing to disagree in order to preserve dignity and relationships. She insists on ...
Relationships, Communication, and Forgiveness
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