In this episode of The School of Greatness, nonverbal communication expert Vanessa Van Edwards and Lewis Howes explore how body language, facial expressions, and vocal patterns affect social interactions. From the mechanics of genuine smiles to the significance of hand gestures, Van Edwards explains how specific physical cues convey different messages in social situations.
The discussion delves into research about how successful leaders balance warmth and competence through their nonverbal communication. Van Edwards outlines practical techniques for more effective communication, including strategic pauses and vocal control, while emphasizing that these tools work best when used authentically rather than manipulatively.

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In a conversation with Lewis Howes, nonverbal communication expert Vanessa Van Edwards explores how body language, facial expressions, and vocal patterns influence social interactions and personal effectiveness.
Van Edwards explains that genuine smiles, which engage upper cheek muscles and create eye crinkles, can positively affect others' moods. She describes how our eyes respond to emotions: widening with fear to take in more information, and squinting to focus on details. These physiological responses, including pupil dilation and blink rates, can reveal emotional states and even indicate deception, with liars typically showing increased blink rates.
According to Van Edwards, specific gestures and postures communicate distinct messages. Open palms and visible hands signal trustworthiness, while crossed arms might suggest closed-off behavior. She notes that even subtle adjustments, like Barack Obama's shift from pointing to using a "thumb pinch," can significantly impact how others perceive authority and approachability.
Van Edwards shares insights from Dr. Susan Fisk's research, which shows that highly charismatic people successfully balance warmth and competence in their nonverbal communication. She emphasizes the importance of strategic pauses, vocal control, and authentic body language in building influence. For instance, the "power pause" before key points can create anticipation and enhance message memorability.
While these techniques can be powerful tools for communication, Van Edwards cautions against using them manipulatively, stressing that genuine warmth and competence should be the foundation of all nonverbal communication.
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Vanessa Van Edwards, alongside Lewis Howes, delves into the intricate world of nonverbal communication, revealing its influence on social perception and the immense power it holds in dictating emotional and cognitive processes, as well as the charisma and influence one can command.
Van Edwards emphasizes the significance of genuine smiles, which utilize the upper cheek muscles and create eye crinkles, in making others feel happier, unlike fake smiles that fail to alter an observer's mood. She explains how fear causes our eyes to widen to absorb more of the environment, while squinting helps us focus on details by reducing the intensity of light. Flexed lids, which often signal scrutiny and interest, are perceived as attractive traits. She further establishes the connection between nonverbal cues and trust-building, highlighting the importance of LinkedIn profile pictures or book covers in signaling both trust and competence at a glance.
Van Edwards and Howes explore physiological responses like pupil dilation and blink rate changes. For instance, when individuals perceive social rejection, their field of vision broadens, and their pupils dilate, improving their ability to see more. Liars often exhibit higher blink rates due to nervousness and a need to block out external stimuli. These involuntary responses mirror one's emotional and cognitive states, with the potential to reveal truthfulness or deception.
Van Edwards stresses the power of properly labeling and interpreting nonverbal cues to process and understand them. This understanding helps individuals react affirmingly to others, watching for facial expressions and voice tones to build trust and credibility. She underscores the necessity of respecting personal space by maintaining a social zone distance, enabling approachability without invasion of privacy.
Controlling one's own nonverbal behaviors ...
The Science and Psychology of Nonverbal Communication
Nonverbal communication expert Vanessa Van Edwards and others provide insight into how certain physical gestures and signals can communicate a wide range of characteristics from approachability to dominance.
Vanessa Van Edwards highlights the importance of managing space and using visible hands as indicators of trustworthiness, supported by Lewis Howes, who mentions his practice of non-tightly clenched hands and casual waves to project approachability. Shark Tank pitchers signal their openness as soon as they enter the room, often with a hand gesture. This kind of physical openness includes gestures that add emphasis to speech, such as saying "it's heavy" while using an upward palm gesture, and nodding upward to acknowledge someone to show trust. Open palms in general are universal indicators of openness, whether asking for or offering something.
Handing something over, high-fiving, or touching someone's elbow are examples of what Van Edwards calls a "nonverbal bridge," which helps form bonds by entering someone's intimate space in a non-threatening way. She also suggests using chairs with armrests to assist in maintaining an open posture with shoulders grounded.
Crossing arms, while a natural response when thinking or processing, can appear closed off and potentially inhibit creative thinking. Vanessa Van Edwards describes this as a "bad nonverbal habit," even though it can also be a comfort gesture. A palm-down gesture, however, is seen as a high competence cue, demonstrating dominance and directiveness.
Barack Obama's initial gesture of pointing with his finger, which may be perceived as domineering, was adjusted to the less aggressive 'thumb pinch.' This subtle change reflects a move towards gestures that communicate strength without aggressiveness.
Van Edwards offers strategies and thoughts on how to read and manage nonverbal communicati ...
Specific Nonverbal Cues and Their Meanings
Vanessa Van Edwards and Lewis Howes examine the critical role of nonverbal communication in leadership and influence, emphasizing the importance of balancing warmth and competence, the strategic use of pauses and tonality, and the ethical application of these techniques.
Vanessa Van Edwards discusses a study by Dr. Susan Fisk showing that highly charismatic people balance warmth and competence. Displaying too much competence can make someone appear cold, while excessive warmth might undermine credibility. Edwards highlights that this balance is pivotal for openness to a leader's competence.
Edwards emphasizes that friendly body language and confident communication cues build charisma and influence. Lewis Howes mentions that having open hands and not hiding them can project charisma. Hand gestures are compared to a body language highlighter, emphasizing key points in speech, while Van Edwards notes that professional voiceover artists use whole body gestures to energetically engage with their material.
Adjustments in posture, like the significant distance between the earlobe and shoulder, can convey confidence. The use of voices, gestures, and body language like the "steeple" gesture can underscore one's message and improve perceptions of trustworthiness and capability.
Vanessa Van Edwards introduces the 'power pause,' a strategic pause before key points that creates anticipation and enhances memorability. She advises avoiding unnecessary pauses after promising something significant, as it creates uncertainty.
Van Edwards and Howes discuss the critical role of vocal power involving tonal control and pacing, which are fundamental to enhancing a speaker's presence. Howes mentions that tonality is taught early on at Toastmasters as part of becoming a competent communicator.
Using Nonverbal Communication to Improve Influence and Impact
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