In this episode of The School of Greatness, Dr. Ramani Durvasula examines narcissism in modern society, noting that 20-25% of adults may exhibit narcissistic traits. She explores how social media, reality TV, and materialism contribute to narcissism's prevalence, and explains how genetics, environment, and upbringing shape narcissistic personality development.
The discussion covers the typical cycle of narcissistic relationships, from initial love bombing to eventual devaluation and discarding. Dr. Durvasula outlines strategies for identifying narcissists, protecting oneself from narcissistic abuse, and healing from toxic relationships. She and the host discuss how building self-worth and maintaining authentic connections can help defend against narcissistic behavior while fostering healthier relationships characterized by mutual support and empathy.

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Ramani Durvasula discusses how narcissism has evolved from an obscure psychological concept to a mainstream topic, driven by the rise of reality TV, social media, and materialism. She estimates that 20-25% of adults, particularly in major cities, may exhibit narcissistic traits, though precise measurement is challenging due to narcissists' tendency to provide unreliable self-assessments.
According to Durvasula, narcissistic traits develop through a complex interplay of genetics, environment, and societal factors. She explains that difficult childhood temperament, insecure attachment, and overvaluation in upbringing can contribute to narcissistic development. While Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a clinical diagnosis, Durvasula notes that diagnosis is challenging due to narcissists' lack of self-awareness and resistance to acknowledging their traits.
Durvasula describes the typical narcissistic relationship cycle, which begins with intense adoration (love bombing), progresses to devaluation through manipulation and cruel behavior, and often includes discarding and attempting to reclaim the partner (hoovering). She emphasizes that narcissists cannot form genuine connections or truly love others, making authentic relationships impossible.
For dealing with narcissists, Durvasula recommends practicing "radical acceptance" - acknowledging that they won't change - and following the "deep technique" (don't defend, engage, explain, or personalize). She emphasizes the importance of recognizing early warning signs like excessive charm and false empathy. Recovery from narcissistic abuse requires dedicated healing through self-care, support systems, and often therapy.
Durvasula and Howes discuss how building self-worth beyond external validation helps defend against narcissists. They emphasize that healthy relationships should include empathy, flexibility, and mutual support for growth - what Durvasula calls the "Michelangelo phenomenon," where partners encourage each other's development and dreams.
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Ramani Durvasula brings attention to how narcissism, once an obscure topic, has surged in awareness due to social and technological changes. She examines the impact of narcissism on society and suggests its increasing prevalence.
Durvasula points out that narcissism wasn't widely discussed until reality TV, social media, and materialism became prevalent, creating a "triple threat" that encourages self-promotion and seeking validation. The rise of these phenomena has contributed to the significant awareness of narcissistic behaviors.
She recalls her initial encounter with Facebook and her subsequent sense of dread, predicting that narcissism would grow because validation could now be sought from the comfort of one's home. Beforehand, narcissists had to find validation more actively, like attending events or excelling in visible activities.
Narcissism has progressed from being a quiet area in mental health to entering the popular discourse, with the term "narcissism" being integrated into everyday language.
Reflecting on the early days of shows like "Survivor," Durvasula noticed how reality TV spotlighted attention-seeking behaviors. She observes the shift in political climates and how an obscure topic she studied has now gained mainstream attention.
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The Nature and Prevalence of Narcissism in Society
The development of narcissistic personality traits is complex, involving genetics, environment, and societal factors. Durvasula and others point out the roles of childhood temperament, trauma, and overvaluation in contributing to narcissism.
Narcissistic individuals often experience insecurity and feelings of inadequacy, suggesting inherent or developmental components. Children born with a difficult temperament, who are hard to soothe and demonstrate low frustration tolerance and aggressive behaviors, face strained interactions, as adults may chastise them frequently. Such unpleasant relationships with the world can predispose these individuals toward narcissism in adulthood.
However, not every individual with a difficult temperament becomes narcissistic. Genetic aspects also play a role, as observed personality traits are sometimes shared with relatives. If properly supported, for example through engagement in athletics or interests, a child with a difficult temperament can develop feelings of love and safety.
Negative childhood experiences, such as trauma or caregiver loss, result in inconsistent caregivers and put a person at risk for developing narcissism. Secure early attachment to a consistent, responsive caregiver predicts a lower likelihood of adult narcissism. Feelings of shame and guilt, such as those experienced by Lewis Howes after being sexually abused, can shape life behavior until addressed and healed.
Children can develop narcissistic traits through overvaluation, where they're told they're special without any justification, leading to an underdeveloped emotional world. Conditional love sets the foundation for transactional relationships in adulthood, teaching children that love is earned through achievements. This conditioning fosters entitlement, grandiosity, validation-seeking, and envy.
Durvasula also warns against the potential effects of overexposure on social media, where children may grow up feeling entitled. She emphasizes the importance of emotional presence and awareness of children’s needs without making them fulfill the parent's agenda. Parents can promote narcissistic tendencies by expressing anger or shaming when children don't excel or meet expectations as they wish.
The Development of Narcissistic Personality Traits and Disorders
Lewis Howes and psychologist Ramani Durvasula explore the taxing and often damaging experience of being in a romantic relationship with a narcissist.
The discussions elucidate the manipulative tactics narcissists employ to control their partners, like love bombing, devaluation, and gaslighting, marking the harrowing narcissistic relationship cycle.
Durvasula describes the cycle as starting with love bombing—intense adoration early in the relationship—to overwhelm the partner. Then devaluation occurs, consisting of manipulations that can include infidelity, lying, and the silent treatment. The discard phase—which does not always result in an outright breakup—can involve cold or cruel manipulation. Hoovering may follow, where the narcissist tries to bring their partner back through flattery.
Future faking—making false promises about the future to prevent their partner from leaving—and gaslighting are also key tactics. Gaslighting particularly is a process of making the partner doubt their reality, questioning their mental state, and contributing to a sense of helplessness and confusion.
Narcissists cannot genuinely love or connect, which makes forging a true connection with them elusive.
Durvasula explains that narcissists display empathy strategically to manipulate rather than connect. Moreover, underlying negative traits such as contempt eventually come to light, destroying the facade of the initial charm. Genuine connection with a narcissist is challenging due to their inability to exercise true empathy and caring.
Escaping a narcissistic relationship is fraught with obstacles such as trauma bonding, self-doubt, and the inherent challenges of disengagement.
Durvasula and Howes discuss the aftermath of such relationship ...
Challenges of a Relationship With a Narcissist
Understanding the early signs of narcissistic abuse and establishing strong personal boundaries are key for both avoiding toxic relationships and healing from them, according to Durvasula’s advice.
Recognizing the early signs of narcissism is the first step in protecting oneself from potential abuse.
Durvasula warns against the allure of individuals who display excessive charm and charisma, as these traits often serve as red flags for narcissism. She emphasizes the importance of detecting these early indications of narcissism to avoid entanglement. Additionally, narcissists may display an understanding of empathy without genuine feeling, using it manipulatively as a tool rather than a sincere emotion, which is another red flag. During interactions, it’s crucial to look for these signs of strategic charm and false empathy to identify narcissistic behavior.
Durvasula also notes that children who grow up in environments where parents prioritize social media validation may learn exhibitionist behaviors as a response to this validation-seeking model. This early learning can manifest as narcissistic red flags in the form of performing for online accolades.
When interacting with a narcissist, particularly when unable to entirely separate from them, Durvasula suggests employing "radical acceptance." This means accepting the narcissist for who they are and understanding that they will not change. She advises following the "deep technique," which means do not defend, engage, explain, or personalize any interactions to minimize responses and reduce conflict. Embracing this concept of radical acceptance and picking battles wisely helps in dealing with a narcissist, as not every issue warrants engagement given the emotional toll it may exact.
Durvasula also addresses the recovery process from the effects of narcissistic abuse.
Recovering from narcissistic abuse often ...
Protecting and Healing From Narcissistic Abuse
The crucial role of authenticity, self-worth, and healthy relationships in opposing narcissistic behaviors is underscored by Dr. Ramani Durvasula and Lewis Howes.
Durvasula speaks about the authentic self, referencing Carl Rogers and Abraham Maslow who discussed authenticity and self-actualization. Meeting self-actualized individuals who exuded joy and serenity regardless of their status, like an auto mechanic in Johannesburg and a man in India helping children, illustrated the opposite of narcissism: they exhibited congruence between their being and actions in the world.
Through examples of individuals who found gratification in their roles, Durvasula argues that understanding one’s self-worth beyond external validation is crucial in defending against narcissists. This concern is echoed in Howes’s reflections on his past relationships and the importance of finding a partner who celebrates your achievements, as opposed to being threatened by them.
Durvasula discusses the necessity of empathy, kindness, respect, flexibility, self-awareness, and conscientiousness in relationships as defenses against attracting narcissists. She emphasizes building inner security and practicing unconditional self-love. Durvasula acknowledges her vulnerabilities and the work she has done in therapy to avoid patterns that attract narcissists.
The conversation touches on the "green flags" in relationships, indicating positive traits like handling stress with calmness and problem-solving, which contrast narcissistic behaviors involving chaos and entitlement. Durvasula describes the Michelangelo phenomenon, where partners support each other's growth and dreams, indi ...
The Importance of Self-Love, Authenticity, and Healthy Relationships
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