In this episode of The Mel Robbins Podcast, bestselling author John Grisham and Mel Robbins discuss how small daily actions, persistence through rejection, and openness to unexpected moments shape successful reinvention. Grisham shares how his disciplined practice of writing one page daily for years led to a writing career spanning decades and 52 bestsellers, emphasizing that consistency matters more than time spent and that planning ahead prevents abandonment of goals.
The conversation explores how Grisham's life experiences—from observing courtroom trials to witnessing injustice—provided both creative material and moral direction. Grisham and Robbins discuss navigating rejection, learning from successful people's patterns, and finding purpose beyond personal achievement through work that addresses wrongful convictions and social issues. The episode offers practical insights on building sustainable habits, trusting that confusing life chapters will connect in hindsight, and taking small steps toward meaningful change.

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John Grisham and Mel Robbins explore how daily routines and small, consistent actions fuel long-term achievement and transformation. Grisham credits his discipline of writing at least one page a day as the breakthrough that led to finishing his first novel and a career spanning 52 bestsellers. He emphasizes that consistency matters more than time spent—some days a page takes 15 minutes, others an hour, but the habit never breaks. Missed days lead to lost momentum that's much harder to reclaim.
Grisham's unwavering 5 a.m. writing routine, practiced over 30 years, exemplifies the power of ritual. This predictable routine—fixed time, place, and sensory cues—eliminates decision friction and allows him to slip quickly into creative mode. Robbins expands this "one page a day" philosophy to any domain, observing that small daily actions yield transformation while massive change attempts often lead to discouragement.
Grisham also emphasizes planning's importance: knowing the ending before beginning prevents writer's block and abandonment. He refines story ideas into 30-second pitches, ensuring creative energy stays focused. Whether for fiction or life goals, outlining ahead creates momentum and dramatically reduces wasted effort.
Grisham and Robbins reflect on how unforeseen experiences and core values shape life's direction. Grisham describes "golden moments"—unexpected events that change life's trajectory when you're open to possibility. A Vietnam veteran's comment led him to pursue accounting and law school, while witnessing a child rape victim's testimony inspired the emotional depth of "A Time to Kill." He notes that "every job you ever have is material for the rest of your life."
Robbins adds that pivotal moments often seem minor at first, but life is full of subtle signs that only reveal their significance in hindsight. For Grisham, formative experiences clarified his core values—particularly justice and fairness. Being falsely accused of plagiarism by an English teacher left a lasting impression that directly influenced his later writing about wrongful convictions and shaped his moral outlook.
Robbins shares her own golden moment during law school when reading Grisham's "The Firm" helped her realize she wasn't trapped in her chosen path. This epiphany led to a major pivot and eventual career reinvention. She emphasizes that every bewildering chapter connects in retrospect, encouraging others to trust that current experiences will make sense as parts of a larger story. You don't need to know every step in advance—just take the next one.
Grisham shares lessons on facing rejection and persisting through setbacks. His first novel faced nothing but "rejection, rejection, rejection" from agents and publishers, but he emphasizes this is normal and not a sign of failure. Many celebrated books were turned down repeatedly before their breakthroughs. Robbins expands this to all fields, asserting that "every successful person" experiences rejection.
Grisham credits his success not to instant acceptance but to persistence—he just didn't stop. After "A Time to Kill," he maintained a rigorous 5:30 a.m. writing routine for five years while working as a lawyer, though he was prepared to abandon writing if "The Firm" didn't pan out. His breakthrough came unexpectedly when a scout secretly spread bootleg copies to Hollywood studios, leading to a $600,000 film rights sale—more than he'd earned in a decade as a lawyer. This phone call came "out of nowhere, totally unexpected" after five years of writing and uncertainty.
Grisham advises focusing on what you can control—the quality and consistency of your work—rather than obsessing over publisher promotions or sales. He credits diligent reading and studying great writers for his improvement, asserting he doesn't know a single successful writer who isn't an avid reader. Through consistent practice and focusing only on what you can control, progress and success become attainable even when rejection is the rule.
Grisham and Robbins discuss how observing and emulating top performers' habits is fundamental to advancement. As a young lawyer, Grisham skipped classes to observe seasoned trial lawyers, identifying patterns in their techniques to incorporate into his practice. Later, learning that bestselling authors consistently released a book yearly, he rushed to finish "The Pelican Brief" to replicate this pattern—publishing annually for 35 years.
Grisham advises young lawyers to watch courtroom greats, absorb their techniques, and develop their own style grounded in observed excellence. Robbins extends this to reading: engaging with great works inspires and elevates skill, while encountering mediocre ones can build confidence—Grisham recalls thinking, "If this got published, why can't I?"
Grisham emphasizes that publishing actively seeks new writers each year, assuring aspiring authors there's room for them despite established competition. Both agree that comparing oneself with others can be a tool for growth rather than intimidation, striking a balance between aspiration and self-assurance that fuels achievement.
Grisham describes how reading an obituary about a man nearly executed despite being innocent led him to travel to Oklahoma, meet the family, and write about the case. This experience introduced him to thousands of wrongful convictions and pushed him to advocate for criminal justice reform over decades. He and his wife work with nonprofits focused on childhood hunger, homelessness, and wrongful convictions, finding immense gratification that sustains hope and purpose beyond book sales or fame.
Grisham emphasizes not being overwhelmed by negative news but instead asking, "What can I do today to improve the world?" and taking one small action. Both he and Robbins discuss how "baby steps, small steps, a little something every day" accumulate into meaningful change if enough people participate. Despite injustice and suffering, Grisham asserts that good people outnumber those who do harm, maintaining that the prevalence of good actions offers hope for the future.
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John Grisham and Mel Robbins explore how daily routines and small, consistent actions fuel long-term achievement, creativity, and transformation. Their perspectives reveal that mastery is less about dramatic bursts of effort and more about showing up each day.
Grisham’s experience with “A Time to Kill” taught him that doing a little every day is crucial—otherwise, big projects remain unfinished. He credits the discipline of writing at least one page a day as the breakthrough that led not only to finishing his first novel but to a career spanning 52 bestsellers. Pushing through even on unproductive days, Grisham discovered that daily writing accumulates, with effort compounding until drafts become hefty manuscripts.
He emphasizes the importance of consistency over sheer time, noting that some days, a page might flow in 15 minutes, while others may take an hour. The critical factor is not how much time is spent in a single day, but that the habit never breaks. Missed days lead to lost momentum, which is much harder to reclaim than the time itself.
Grisham’s unwavering 5 a.m. writing routine, practiced over 30 years, exemplifies the power of habitual ritual. He shares that he continues to rise early, write at the same time, in the same place, with the same coffee, regardless of his publishing success or schedule. This predictable routine embeds his writing work so thoroughly in daily life that it becomes automatic, eliminating daily decision friction. The ritual—fixed time, place, and sensory cues like coffee—anchors his psychological state, letting him slip quickly into creative mode.
Robbins expands on Grisham's “one page a day” mantra, calling it a philosophy for any personal or professional ambition. Whether building a business, improving relationships, or pursuing personal growth, small daily actions yield transformation. She observes that many people get discouraged by attempting massive change all at once, when in fact, taking consistent, bite-sized actions is the surest way to develop momentum and form lasting habits.
Robbins and Grisham agree: discipline and daily presence are more importan ...
The Power of Daily Practice and Habit
John Grisham and Mel Robbins reflect on how unforeseen experiences and core personal values shape life’s direction. Through stories of pivotal moments, they reveal how openness to possibility and trust in the significance of every step can empower and guide anyone facing uncertainty about the future.
John Grisham describes “golden moments”—unexpected events that can change the trajectory of a life when one is open to possibility. He recounts being influenced by a Vietnam veteran’s comment, which led him to pursue accounting and, eventually, law school by age 20. Another transformative episode was his witnessing the emotional testimony of a child rape victim, which profoundly impacted him and inspired the emotional depth and moral questioning at the heart of his novel "A Time to Kill." Grisham observes that “every job you ever have is material for the rest of your life,” underscoring the importance of receptivity to life’s unexpected threads.
Mel Robbins adds that such pivotal moments often seem minor or inconsequential at first—like a friend’s fleeting observation about a certain law firm that “you never leave.” She believes that if you’re awake enough to notice, life is full of subtle signs and threads that only reveal their full significance in hindsight, forming a larger, meaningful narrative.
For Grisham, formative life experiences have continually clarified his most important values—particularly justice and fairness. Early in his academic life, he was falsely accused of plagiarism by an English teacher, resulting in a failing grade and emotional distress. This event left a lasting impression and embodied an intense sense of injustice. He recognizes, in retrospect, how this experience directly influenced his later writing about people being falsely accused and wrongfully convicted, and shaped his moral outlook and literary focus.
Mel Robbins points out that Grisham’s unwavering sense of justice is visible in both the Vietnam veteran episode and the plagiarism accusation. Each confrontational or formative conversation throughout Grisham’s life, she observes, has contributed to revealing his true values and his eventual calling as a writer. The moral conviction and emotional intensity of those moments are reflected in the themes and characters of his novels.
Mel Robbins shares her own golden moment of painful clarity during her first year at Boston College Law School. Miserable and uncertain, she was inspired after reading Grisham’s "The Firm" to realize she was not trapped in her chosen path. That epiphany set in motion a major pivot: she remained in law school, became a public defender for a few y ...
Golden Moments and Pivotal Life Experiences
John Grisham shares his lessons on facing rejection, persisting through setbacks, and focusing on what you can control in creative work. His journey, marked by numerous rejections, unseen effort, and an unexpected breakthrough, illustrates how determination and commitment underpin long-term success in any field.
Grisham recounts that the process of trying to get his first book published was filled with rejection. After hand-writing his first novel and sending three sample chapters with a cover letter and pitch to ten agents and ten publishers, he received nothing but "rejection, rejection, rejection." He describes Friday afternoons spent at the mailbox collecting rejection letters, making it clear that rejection was simply part of the process. Grisham notes that his experience is typical for writers: the first novel was a flop, which is not unusual in the writing profession.
He points out that many famous writers experienced multiple rejections before their breakthroughs. Some of the most celebrated books were turned down repeatedly, but their authors kept going until they finally succeeded. He emphasizes that almost every successful writer faced rejection, using these stories—and his own journey—as encouragement for aspiring writers and creators. Mel Robbins expands this to other fields, asserting that "every successful person" experiences rejection on the path to achievement.
Grisham’s first novel, "A Time to Kill," encountered rejection after rejection and ultimately had modest sales. This initial disappointment did not stop his efforts. It took persistence and continued writing to reach the turning point that would transform his career.
Grisham’s story demonstrates that perseverance beyond rejection is crucial. He credits his success not to instant acceptance, but to persistence—he just didn’t stop. No matter if the book was rejected or poorly received, his commitment to “one page a day” kept his momentum alive. The continued effort in the face of indifference or failure meant he was ready when opportunity finally arrived.
After "A Time to Kill," Grisham maintained a rigorous writing routine, waking up at 5:30 a.m. to write before his day as a lawyer began. For five years—three spent on his debut, two on "The Firm"—he pushed forward with disciplined consistency, even when balancing work and family became challenging, and his law practice suffered from distraction.
At several points, Grisham considered abandoning writing if "The Firm" didn’t pan out. He was prepared to admit defeat after two attempts and focus on his legal career, but his persistence kept him in the game long enough to experience his breakthrough.
The turning point in Grisham's career came out of nowhere. During a period of stagnation when his agent was shopping "The Firm," a scout in New York secretly spread bootleg copies to Hollywood studios. Suddenly, offers poured in for the film rights—a development neither Grisham nor his agent anticipated. On a Sunday morning, his agent called to ask permission to accept the highest bid, and within hours, they sold the movie rights for $600,000—more money than Grisham had earned in a decade as a l ...
Overcoming Rejection and Persistence
Success in any field often leaves discernible patterns, which can be studied, adapted, and applied by others seeking to achieve similar heights. Both John Grisham and Mel Robbins discuss how observing and emulating the habits and strategies of top performers is fundamental to advancement, whether in law, writing, or other pursuits.
John Grisham reflects on his path as a young lawyer determined to excel in the courtroom. He spent significant time in local courthouses, volunteering for court-appointed trials and learning by immersion. Rather than just passively attending law school, Grisham actively sought out opportunities to observe accomplished trial lawyers, skipping classes in his third year to sit in on civil trials where seasoned professionals demonstrated their craft. These experiences allowed Grisham to identify patterns in their techniques, which he then incorporated into his own practice.
Later, Grisham applied pattern recognition to his writing career. In a conversation with a Waldenbooks executive, he learned that bestselling authors like Stephen King and Michael Crichton consistently released a book every year. Recognizing this as a hallmark of commercial success, Grisham hustled to finish "The Pelican Brief" in time to replicate this pattern, thus laying the foundation for his prolific output—publishing a book annually for 35 years.
Grisham’s deliberate practice of modeling his early legal practice after top trial lawyers underscores the importance of having mentors and heroes. He advises young lawyers to watch courtroom greats like Jerry Spence, absorb their techniques, and then develop their own style grounded in observed excellence. This approach of learning through close observation provides an actionable blueprint for mastering any skill.
Robbins extends this philosophy to reading: aspiring writers or professionals should read widely. Engaging with great works inspires and elevates skill, while encountering mediocre ones broadens the understanding of what’s possible. This comprehensive exposure fortifies both technical acumen and creative ambition.
In the competitive world of publishing, Grisham found motivation rather than despair when faced with walls of bestsellers. He emphasizes that publishing actively seeks new writers each year, and debut authors are celebrated and ...
Learning From Patterns and Modeling Success
John Grisham describes how, as a young lawyer, he saw an obituary in the New York Times for a man who was his age, from the same region, and who came within five days of being executed in Oklahoma despite being innocent. Stunned by the story, Grisham traveled to Oklahoma to meet with the man's family and began writing a book about the case. This experience introduced him to the world of wrongful convictions, and he realized that thousands of innocent people were in prison. The revelation became a wake-up call, pushing Grisham to write about wrongful convictions over the following decades, publish books on the topic, remain angry about their occurrence, and continue to advocate for criminal justice reform even while frustrated by the lack of substantial progress.
Grisham notes that he and his wife are active with nonprofits focused on childhood hunger, homelessness, and wrongful convictions. He explains that working to make the world better in these areas brings him immense gratification and sustains his hope. This work extends his sense of purpose beyond personal achievements like book sales or fame, with the added hope that their actions can provide hope for others as well.
Grisham emphasizes the importance of not being overwhelmed by the abundance of negative news. He frames the response as asking himself, "What can I do today to improve the world?" and focusing on taking even a small action to make a difference.
Both Grisham and Mel Robbins discuss the power of small, consistent efforts. Robbins refers to the "one pag ...
Purpose Beyond Personal Achievement
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