In this episode of The Mel Robbins Podcast, Mel Robbins and music producer Benny Blanco discuss how fear and self-doubt prevent people from taking action toward their goals. They explore why waiting for confidence or perfect conditions guarantees failure, and emphasize that success comes from acting despite anxiety and uncertainty. Blanco shares his journey from having no industry connections to achieving multiple hit records, illustrating how relentless persistence and the ability to reframe failure as temporary data drive long-term achievement.
The conversation covers practical strategies for making progress, including taking small daily actions, building relationships with gatekeepers and industry contacts, and maintaining momentum through setbacks. Blanco and Robbins also discuss the importance of intentional decision-making in career and relationships, using tools like list-making to clarify values and priorities. Throughout, they emphasize that background and talent matter less than showing up consistently when others quit.

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Mel Robbins and Benny Blanco explore how fear and self-doubt prevent people from taking action, and how relentless effort and the right mindset can overcome these barriers regardless of background.
Blanco explains that "what if" thinking stops people from starting—worrying about embarrassment, judgment, or public failure. Both emphasize how people create excuses while waiting for perfect conditions, allowing weeks to pass with nothing accomplished. Blanco notes that people exaggerate consequences of rejection, when in reality a "no" stings briefly and life moves on quickly.
Blanco and Robbins stress that setbacks are survivable and rarely as devastating as imagined. Blanco shares he's been "at the top and had to go all the way back to the bottom," illustrating resilience. He practices "failure amnesia"—deliberately forgetting past failures to prevent them from becoming anchors. Robbins reinforces this: "If you forget about the failure, everyone else will too."
Robbins warns that waiting for confidence is a trap—"You're never going to feel ready to start." Success comes from acting with conviction, even when anxious. Blanco describes how "selling the dream to yourself" creates momentum, like gravity working in your favor. He compares it to Michael Jordan who "keeps shooting"—not because he never misses, but because persistence increases odds.
Robbins notes that Blanco didn't start with famous parents, wealth, or exceptional looks—just relentless drive. Blanco emphasizes that most people "get to the brick wall and turn around," whereas he breaks through. The main barrier is self-doubt, and once you act while ignoring those voices, new paths open.
Robbins and Blanco discuss how failure becomes a valuable tool for achieving goals when reinterpreted as a learning opportunity rather than an endpoint.
Blanco asserts that failure only remains failure if you don't learn from it. Robbins emphasizes that every hero has countless failures—people only remember Michael Jordan's slam dunks, not his missed shots. Blanco's path to his hit "East Side" involved artist changes, vocal re-recordings, deal negotiations, and months of delays. Each hurdle forced him to adapt and learn, treating obstacles as steps toward success.
Both advise treating failure as information. Rather than asking "why am I not good enough?", they recommend "What could I do differently?" Blanco points out that sometimes timing or circumstances—not effort—cause setbacks. Reframing failure's meaning allows you to adjust strategy and try again with new insight.
Despite 12 Grammy nominations and 29 hits, Blanco openly discusses ongoing self-doubt, asking himself "Why are all these people here for me?" Robbins affirms these doubts don't vanish with success. The real skill is acting despite lingering fear—showing up repeatedly through decades of doubt.
Robbins and Blanco highlight that while both action and inaction are painful, nothing is worse than unrealized dreams due to inaction. Robbins describes the misery of "what ifs" and waiting for perfection, which leads to stagnation. The choice isn't between pain and ease, but between the hard work of action with potential rewards and the fruitless pain of never trying.
Robbins and Blanco reveal that real success comes from steady action—one small step at a time—demonstrating how daily progress and consistent presence build long-term accomplishment.
Robbins encourages moving your project forward just three inches daily to generate real momentum. Blanco shares that he wakes up determined each day, stressing the only guarantee you won't improve is if you don't get up. Robbins notes that returning each day despite setbacks builds momentum that accumulates into extraordinary outcomes over time.
Blanco describes how his first hit took nearly two years, facing delays, deal complications, and artist changes. He repeatedly nearly gave up but chose persistence instead. He reached number one not through quick breakthrough but through relentless perseverance—the longest climb to number one in radio history.
Robbins urges people to stop waiting for perfect resources or tools—just start with what you have. Blanco's career began with no connections and minimal resources. As small actions accumulate, momentum naturally builds, fueling motivation and making progress increasingly attainable.
As a child, Blanco would wait outside recording studios for opportunities. He adapted by using Myspace, cold-calling record labels, and networking with interns and gatekeepers. His career manager today is someone he met as a teenager during these efforts. Many interns he befriended are now industry leaders, and those relationships—maintained sincerely over 20 years—have proven invaluable.
Blanco and Robbins discuss strategies for cultivating intentionality, setting clear priorities, and understanding the importance of balance and timing in life, relationships, and career.
Blanco shares that with his therapist's help, he made a list of what he wanted in a life partner: age appropriate, kind and caring, and emotionally well. Robbins adds that such lists clarify essential values beyond surface qualities and affirm one's worth. Through intentional lists, vague wishes become concrete guidelines that sharpen decision-making and prevent settling.
Blanco advises cutting off people who don't meet your intentionally set criteria, as maintaining misaligned relationships wastes time and blocks the right things from entering your life.
Blanco uses a three-legged stool metaphor—career, relationships/family, and health—explaining that if even one leg is weak, the structure collapses. He shares that coming home and giving attention to his partner Selena, listening and connecting, is a marker of success alongside career achievements.
Both discuss timing's importance. Blanco and Selena first met years before their relationship began, with casual friendship preceding romance. Blanco explains that neither was ready earlier—timing was key. He realized that to be ready for love, he needed to understand himself and cultivate health first, proving that patience is often rewarded with better outcomes.
Blanco and Robbins distill practical wisdom for overcoming barriers by emphasizing small actions, relationship-building, resilience, and perseverance.
Blanco urges moving your project forward even a centimeter today—make a list, identify the first action, and do it now. Robbins underscores that action, however imperfect, beats endless planning. Blanco notes it's better to repeatedly show up and try than to become paralyzed seeking perfection.
Starting as an intern, volunteer, or assistant grants access to decision-making environments. Being friendly to gatekeepers and junior staff leads to future opportunities. Sustaining early connections ensures a network that grows with you, as the people you meet and treat kindly now often become future collaborators and opportunity-makers.
Blanco insists that after a bad day, you must work even harder the next day—most people stop, but success comes from persistence. Missing the mark isn't failure; it's a lesson to adjust your approach, like a basketball player who continues shooting despite misses. Robbins emphasizes that resilience separates success from stagnation.
Blanco highlights that stopping your efforts creates space for others to surpass you. Success often lies just beyond discomfort and hardship. Belief in yourself and sustained motivation enable you to continue, ensuring that anything is achievable if you keep showing up and moving forward.
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Mel Robbins and Benny Blanco explore how fear and self-doubt stop people from taking action and how anyone, regardless of their background, can overcome these barriers through relentless effort and the right mindset.
Blanco explains that many people struggle to “start the engine” on their ambitions because of relentless “what if” thinking. People worry about being embarrassed or judged—questioning, “What if I post my work and people make fun of me for trying? What if nobody pays attention? What if I fail publicly?” This fear of embarrassment and others’ judgment prevents many from pursuing new ventures. Both Robbins and Blanco highlight how people invent excuses tied to seeking perfect conditions or the right equipment, thus delaying action: “I’ll write my book, but only when I have the perfect writing tool.” Weeks pass while nothing gets done. Fear feeds what-ifs that postpone dreams.
Most people, Blanco notes, exaggerate the consequences of rejection or failure. A rejection feels humiliating, but, as he says, being told no might sting for a few hours, and then life moves on—at school, nobody cares because new stories of rejection quickly replace old ones. The fear of worst-case scenarios is almost always overblown and keeps people from acting at all.
Blanco and Robbins emphasize that failure and rejection are survivable and often far less devastating than imagined. Blanco insists, “Nothing bad is going to happen, except maybe you’re right where you started and just have to keep working harder.” When setbacks happen, the answer is to keep moving—not let a stumble end your journey. He admits he’s been “at the top and had to go all the way back to the bottom and come back up,” illustrating resilience.
To get past setbacks, Blanco embraces what he calls “failure amnesia”—the deliberate forgetting of past failures to prevent them from becoming anchors. He shares that he fails all the time, but by not dwelling on mistakes, he’s free to keep moving. Robbins reinforces this: “If you forget about the failure, everyone else will too. Dwelling on mistakes keeps them alive.” Rejection, they note, is rarely as lasting or catastrophic as our minds suggest. The only way to overcome that fear is to keep going and treating rejection as a temporary bump, not a defining moment.
Robbins warns that waiting for confidence or permission is a trap. “You’re never going to feel ready to start. If you wait until you feel prepared, five years will pass and you’ll still be in the same spot.” Success, according to both, comes from acting with conviction—rolling the dice and investing energy into your goals even if you’re unsure or anxious.
Conviction breeds momentum. Blanco describes how simply “selling the dream to yourself” and moving forward begins to pull situations your way, akin to gravity working in your favor. He illustrates how successful people, like Michael ...
Overcoming Fear and Self-Doubt to Take Action
Mel Robbins and Benny Blanco discuss how failure, rather than marking an endpoint, can become a valuable tool for achieving meaningful goals and building resilience. Through stories from both of their careers, they demonstrate ways to reinterpret setbacks, persist through self-doubt, and prioritize action over perfection to create a life of purpose.
Benny Blanco asserts that the only way a failure remains a failure is if you don't take the lessons from it. If you approach your efforts wholeheartedly and learn from what went wrong, failure becomes a stepping stone to success. Mel Robbins emphasizes that every hero, from Michael Jordan to musical legends, has racked up countless failures, but only the highlights are remembered. For example, Benny asks if people count the number of missed shots with Michael Jordan or only remember the iconic slam dunks and victories. Jordan took the most shots, failed often, but never let that reduce his drive to try again; this perseverance led to his status as a legend.
Benny’s own path to his hit "East Side" illustrates the value in setbacks. He recalls frequent stops and starts – changing artists, last-minute vocal re-recordings by Khalid, and industry deal negotiations that led to months of delays and an almost-cancelled release. Each hurdle forced Benny to rethink his approach, learning to handle deal issues, persist through external obstacles, and innovate as both producer and artist. He notes that sometimes things simply don’t work out due to timing or factors outside your control. His lesson: if you do everything possible and learn along the way, failure becomes another step toward success.
Both Benny and Mel advise treating failure as information. Rather than internalizing self-blame—asking “why am I not good enough?”—they recommend the more productive question: “What could I do differently?” Benny points out that sometimes the fault isn’t in the idea or effort, but in timing or circumstances, as he experienced with his stalled song release. Mel describes her own frustration with waiting for rescue or progress, only to realize stagnation was more painful than trying and potentially failing.
Reframing failure’s meaning allows you to adjust strategy and try again with new insight. Benny insists that, after setbacks, he revisits his passion, returns to the drawing board, and makes changes that improve his next attempt, illustrating that each setback contains data for future growth.
Despite massive success—12 Grammy nominations and 29 hits—Benny Blanco openly discusses ongoing self-doubt and imposter syndrome. He shares moments of disbelief, asking himself, "Why are all these people here for me?" or "Why would anyone listen to what I have to say?" Even after achieving hit status, he finds certain opportunities out of reach and feels pressure for every new song to be his biggest ever. Mel affirms that these doubts don’t vanish with success; instead, those who grow most learn to act despite lingering fear.
Benny reveals that fear often accompanies him before signif ...
Reframing Failure As a Pathway to Success
Mel Robbins and Benny Blanco reveal that real success comes not from giant leaps, but from steady action—one small step at a time. Their stories and advice highlight how daily progress, persistence, and consistent presence pave the path to long-term accomplishment.
Mel Robbins encourages a mindset of daily, measurable progress, saying if you wake up every day and move your project or goal forward just three inches, and repeat that effort again and again, you generate real momentum. She emphasizes that this small, consistent progress is meaningful, even when single days feel insignificant.
Benny Blanco shares that each day, he wakes up determined to make the most of his time. He stresses that the only guarantee you won't improve is if you don't get up—and “getting out of bed” means being proactive and attacking the day. As long as you start and keep trying, improvement is inevitable.
Robbins points out that the journey is filled with days where the effort feels pointless or where self-doubt is overwhelming. Yet, returning each day, finding ways to move forward, and persisting through the "no's" and mental roadblocks builds a momentum that, over time, can lead to profound success. Even if progress feels slow or invisible, it accumulates into extraordinary outcomes.
Benny Blanco describes how his first hit didn’t come easily. Over nearly two years, he faced months of delays, deal complications, changes in artists, and endless obstacles. At one point, he waited ten months after thinking everything was ready. The song’s rise was the longest climb to number one in radio history, requiring countless late nights, difficult conversations, and constant persistence.
Blanco repeatedly nearly gave up. There were countless moments he wanted to hit snooze, walk away, and accept defeat. He confesses to feeling tired and exhausted—even while working on something he loved most in the world. But instead, he chose persistence, attacking the challenge anew each day, regardless of setbacks.
He ultimately reached number one not by a quick breakthrough, but through the hardest work he’d ever done, relentless perseverance, and staying competitive until the very end. For Blanco, even apparent failures along the way constitute success, because he gave his absolute best effort.
Robbins urges people to stop waiting for the perfect resources, tools, or conditions. Waiting for everything to be optimal only delays action. She and Blanco agree: just start, even if your resources are imperfect.
Blanco’s own career began with no connections and minimal resources. He started by simply showing up, demonstrating that acting with what you have is more important than waiting for better circumstances.
As small actions accumulate, momentum naturally builds, fueling motivation and making progress increasingly attainable. The act of moving forward, not initial motivat ...
The Power of Consistent, Incremental Progress
Benny Blanco and Mel Robbins discuss strategies for cultivating intentionality, setting clear priorities, and understanding the importance of balance and timing in life, relationships, and career.
Benny Blanco shares that, with the help of his therapist, he made a list of what he truly wanted in a life partner after struggling to find the right person. He felt that without intentionality, he was missing something fundamental. The first item on his list was "age appropriate." The second was someone kind, caring, and compassionate—simply a nice person. The third was someone emotionally well: a partner who wakes up happy or is actively engaged in being well, whether that’s through therapy, medicine, or practices like yoga. Benny emphasizes that these are broad character guidelines, not hyper-specific physical traits, and he considered only those who met his top criteria.
Mel Robbins adds that making a list like this clarifies essential values, highlighting what truly matters beyond surface qualities. It leads people to reflect on meaningful criteria for everyday life and lasting relationships. She also underlines that many settle in relationships due to struggles with self-worth. The act of making and honoring such a list is both a practical guide and an affirmation that one deserves what they seek.
Through intentional lists for goals, relationships, and priorities, vague wishes become concrete guidelines. This clarity both affirms one’s worth and sharpens decision-making, ensuring that one doesn’t accept or settle for less than what aligns with their values.
Benny advises, "You need to cut off all the people right now that you know aren’t on that list. For your sake and for their sake." He believes that maintaining relationships with those who don’t meet your intentionally set criteria wastes time and blocks the right things from entering your life. Cutting off unserving relationships protects your energy and opens up space for people, situations, and opportunities that better align with your values and goals.
Benny uses the metaphor of a three-legged stool to explain life balance. The three legs represent the foundations of life: career (or purpose and impact), relationships/family, and health/self-care. A stool stands only if all three legs hold firm. If even one leg is weak or missing, the structure collapses.
He provides a vivid example: someone might own a company and expensive cars, yet if their relationship with their children is broken (one of the legs), their whole sense of fulfillment collapses. Benny recounts finding a balance only in the last five years, claiming more stability now than ever before. Mel Robbins agrees that everything can wait until b ...
Building Self-Awareness and Intentionality
Embarking on any new pursuit often gets derailed by overthinking, hesitation, or waiting for the "perfect" moment. Benny Blanco and Mel Robbins distill practical wisdom for overcoming those barriers by emphasizing small actions, relationship-building, resilience, and perseverance.
Momentum begins with a single, immediate step. Benny Blanco urges: don’t wait for tomorrow—move your project forward even a centimeter today. Make a list of tasks, identify the first action, and do it now. Some days progress may stall or even regress, but maintaining forward momentum ensures you’re further along than when you began.
Whether the action is large or small, what matters is doing something tangible today. These first steps often evolve into entirely new directions, but you only discover them by starting.
Mel Robbins underscores that waiting for someone else’s permission or ideal conditions only wastes years. The only person who can move you forward is yourself. Action, however imperfect, beats endless planning every time.
Benny Blanco notes that it’s better to repeatedly show up and try, even if some days you falter, than to become paralyzed by seeking perfection. It's normal to let things sit or take a step back occasionally, but the crucial element is to continue moving forward.
Opportunities often arise from being in the right environments and building organic relationships.
By positioning yourself as an intern, volunteer, or assistant, you gain access to rooms and conversations where decisions are made—opportunities closed to outsiders.
Kindness to gatekeepers and junior team members not only builds goodwill but may result in unexpected chances later. Those relationships are long-term investments.
Sustaining these early connections ensures you have a network that grows with you, becoming a future source of support and opportunity.
The people you meet and treat kindly now are often the ones who will become collaborators and open doors down the line.
Setbacks are inevitable, but they are not the end point.
Benny Blanco insists that after a bad day, you must get up and work even harder the next day. Most people falter and stop, but success comes from persistence.
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