In this episode of the Shawn Ryan Show, Captain Royce Williams recounts his military career spanning World War II, Korea, and Vietnam, accumulating 227 combat missions and over 4,500 flight hours. The conversation centers on Williams' most significant engagement: a 35-minute solo dogfight on November 18, 1952, when he faced multiple Soviet MiG-15 fighters alone, shot down several aircraft, and managed to land his heavily damaged plane despite catastrophic battle damage.
The episode also covers Williams' path from a Depression-era upbringing in South Dakota to becoming a Navy fighter pilot, his progression through propeller and jet aircraft, and his leadership roles including Wing Commander during Vietnam. Williams discusses the decades-long classification of his 1952 engagement, the subsequent historical reassessment using Soviet records, and his eventual recognition with the Medal of Honor at age 100. Additionally, the conversation touches on his policy work on POW programs, naval aviation career reforms, and his influence on the development of Top Gun.

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On November 18, 1952, Royce Williams launches for his second combat patrol of the day from the USS Oriskany in deteriorating weather conditions. He's paired with three Naval aviators he's never flown with before, all of whom had fallen behind on combat flights due to illness or other issues. When the Combat Information Center detects inbound unknown aircraft, the flight lead's fuel warning forces half the formation to return, leaving Williams to lead with only an inexperienced wingman.
The U.S. task force is supported by NSA personnel on the USS Helena, intercepting Soviet communications that reveal the approaching aircraft are Soviet Mig-15s—superior to Williams' F9F Panther in both speed and operational ceiling.
Four Mig-15s descend to engage Williams directly, all opening fire. Williams turns hard into the attackers and manages to hit one enemy aircraft, disabling it. His wingman follows that damaged Mig down, leaving Williams alone to face up to six MiG-15s. For 35 minutes, Williams fights solo against the remaining MiGs between 12,000 and 27,000 feet. He damages and incapacitates at least two more pilots, including a well-known World War II ace, relying on the Panther's tighter turning radius to spoil their aim.
Running low on ammunition, Williams makes what he calls a "fatal mistake" by leveling out instead of turning, and is hit by a 37-millimeter round that destroys all hydraulics and severs the rudder cable, leaving him with severely compromised control.
Williams descends toward the cloud layer while a MiG continues firing, finally disappearing into the clouds at about 12,000 feet. Approaching USS Oriskany, the task force initially doesn't identify him as friendly and opens fire until another pilot calls off the gunners. Williams must keep his landing speed above 170 knots—far higher than usual—due to battle damage. The Oriskany's captain uniquely aligns the carrier's deck to match Williams' approach vector, compensating for his inability to turn properly. Williams lands successfully, his Panther bearing 263 perforations and shrapnel holes.
Upon landing, the ship's intelligence officer, under pressure from Washington, fabricates a report crediting all pilots rather than acknowledging Williams's solo engagement. Admiral Briscoe then instructs Williams to never speak of the engagement. Williams complies, not revealing details even to his wife or brother. The engagement remains classified for over five decades.
Soviet records released after 1992 confirm that four pilots were shot down in the incident, with only one MiG pilot returning.
Williams originally receives the Silver Star in 1953, based on the falsified report. After declassification and historical reevaluation, his Silver Star is upgraded to the Navy Cross in 2023. Congress then waives the time limit for Medal of Honor consideration within the 2026 National Defense Authorization Act. At 100 years old, thanks to Congressman Darrell Issa's efforts, Royce Williams receives the Medal of Honor, recognizing his extraordinary heroism in one of history's most remarkable aerial battles.
Royce Williams stands as one of the most experienced U.S. Navy fighter pilots, serving across World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War with 227 combat missions, over 4,500 flight hours, and 518 carrier landings.
Williams' career traces naval aviation's evolution from canvas-and-stick biplanes through the jet age. He trained on biplanes like the N3N before advancing to the Hellcat, Corsair, and Bearcat fighters—the F-8F Bearcat being his favorite aircraft. He eventually flew various jets including the Panther, Crusader, and F-4 Phantom. His operational experience progressed through WWII training and operations, at least 70 missions in Korea transitioning into jets, and well over 110 missions in Vietnam, amassing roughly 3,000 hours in jets and 1,500 in propeller aircraft.
In 1965, Williams was appointed Wing Commander on the USS Kitty Hawk, leading an advanced air wing including F-4 Phantoms, A-4 Skyhawks, and A-6 Intruders. His command was marked by innovative tactical thinking, most notably a strike on the crucial Haiphong-Hanoi bridge. Unlike previous high-altitude attacks that had failed with aircraft losses, Williams conceived a low-level approach, keeping all aircraft under 200 feet over water with no radio or electronic devices to achieve total surprise. His strike group attacked at nearly 500 miles per hour, destroying three of the bridge's five critical sections without losing a single aircraft.
During one mission, an engine failure forced Williams into a crash that resulted in eleven broken vertebrae. Despite this devastating injury, after recovery and with a medical waiver, Williams returned to active flight status. His persistence allowed him to continue flying advanced jets like the F-4 Phantom and remain an effective leader in Vietnam and later as a senior officer in Washington, serving until his retirement in 1980.
Royce Williams' formative years were shaped by economic hardship, family military legacy, and a deep passion for aviation.
Growing up in a small South Dakota town during the Great Depression, Williams saw severe economic devastation from a young age. His family operated a grocery business where many customers couldn't pay their debts. Despite their own hardship, Williams' father aided struggling neighbors, essentially donating inventory to those unable to pay. Working on a farm for $27 a month from an early age, Williams eventually enlisted in the Army, accepting even lower pay at $23 a month—a testament to the lack of opportunities in the rural Midwest.
Williams describes himself as "kind of a military kid." His father, a WWI veteran, was deeply engaged in the American Legion, often bringing Royce and his brother to meetings from age eight. Both boys wore gray uniforms and attended events including screenings of war films, steeping them early in military traditions. Williams recounts his father's marksmanship and quick thinking, once solving a food crisis in wartime Europe by shooting a wild boar with his service pistol.
Williams recalls that Pearl Harbor brought immediate, unified resolve across America. Communities organized to save resources, and service flags appeared in house windows signifying military service and sacrifice. Spurred by this national mobilization, Williams enlisted just two months after Pearl Harbor in the Minnesota National Guard, which was subsequently nationalized into federal service.
After relocating to Minnesota, Williams met his future wife at age 11 in Sunday School, starting a lifelong relationship. His time in the Boy Scouts further instilled values of leadership and civic duty. From an early age, Williams and his brother were fascinated with aviation and dreamed of flying off aircraft carriers.
Williams enlisted in the Army in 1942, then transferred to the Navy Aviation Cadet Program at 17. His rigorous flight training took three years and five different bases, beginning on open-cockpit Boeing N3N trainers. He earned his flight wings in August 1945, describing the moment as "mission accomplished"—the achievement of his long-held dream. His brother earned his wings six months earlier, and both would ultimately qualify on aircraft carriers, making their father deeply proud.
Following the November 18, 1952 engagement, Admiral Briscoe enforced strict secrecy. The official intelligence summary purposefully misrepresented the encounter, giving credit to multiple pilots rather than accurately acknowledging Williams' solo achievement. Williams honored the silence directive, never discussing the engagement even with family for over 50 years. Meanwhile, the inaccurate official narrative became accepted history within the U.S. Navy aviation community.
After the Soviet Union's dissolution, newly accessible Russian archives revealed that four Soviet pilots had been shot down on November 18, 1952, directly contradicting the minimized U.S. account. A 2002 Russian publication on the Korean War provided further details from Soviet records that amplified scrutiny from historians. This body of evidence from Soviet sources convinced U.S. historians to rigorously re-examine the engagement, leading to a reassessment of Williams' actual accomplishments.
After historical research confirmed Williams' lone engagement and victory over Soviet MiG-15s, his original Silver Star was upgraded to the Navy Cross in 2023. For the 2026 National Defense Authorization Act, Congress issued a waiver enabling the Medal of Honor to be considered despite more than 70 years having passed since the event. Congressman Darrell Issa led Congressional efforts to secure the necessary waiver, attended the ceremony personally, and committed to correcting the historical record.
On February 26, 2024, at age 100, Williams received the Medal of Honor presented by Michelle Obama. This late recognition drew nationwide attention to an achievement long overshadowed by Cold War secrecy. The long arc to honor Williams demonstrates the profound impact of Cold War secrecy on both personal recognition and the accurate recording of American military history.
Royce Williams was appointed head of the prisoner of war programs following advocacy by Sybil Stockdale, wife of Admiral Stockdale. Sybil insisted that only a dedicated combat aviator willing to put his career on the line could truly serve POW families and needs. Williams actively coordinated across military branches and government agencies, working with the State Department and Air Force leadership. He traveled extensively, meeting families of imprisoned servicemen nationwide, visiting bases like Clark Air Force Base, and going aboard Navy carriers to gather information and support families. His full-time effort set a new standard for inter-service and family engagement in POW advocacy and recovery.
At the time, federal law (Title X) barred Naval Flight Officers (NFOs) from command positions, stopping their careers at the lieutenant commander level. Drawing on his prior experience with Title X while leading promotion plans at the Bureau of Naval Personnel, Williams spearheaded efforts to legislate the removal of NFO command restrictions. Thanks to Williams' advocacy, legislative reform passed, enabling NFOs to attain senior command positions and reach flag rank, even four-star admiral, fundamentally altering naval career structures.
Williams served as a tactics instructor in the Fleet Air Gunnery Unit (VEGU), the direct predecessor to Top Gun. Leveraging experience from exchange duty at the Air Force Fighter Weapons School at Nellis and Korean War combat, he taught advanced fighter combat tactics and analyzed enemy maneuvers. One of Williams's students went on to be the first commanding officer of Top Gun, crediting Williams for his education in advanced fighter tactics. Williams' methods—running innovative aerial combat exercises and focusing on real-world enemy tactics—laid the groundwork for Top Gun's approach and became central to the naval aviation doctrine taught at the school.
Williams championed policies enabling experienced combat pilots to continue flying with medical support and necessary medications, challenging standard disqualification rules. Following his first Vietnam tour as Wing Commander, medical review concluded that Williams no longer needed the medications that had supported his long operational days. Despite changing health and service requirements, he transitioned to become a qualified NFO rather than retire, maintaining his role in combat operations. Williams' flexibility and advocacy demonstrated the strategic value of retaining experienced leaders with medical conditions that could be safely managed, influencing broader policies accommodating senior military personnel in operational roles.
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On November 18, 1952, Royce Williams is called for his second combat patrol of the day from the USS Oriskany in the Sea of Japan. The weather is deteriorating rapidly, with clouds dropping to 500 feet and a blizzard reducing visibility. Williams quickly eats lunch and prepares to launch with three other Naval aviators he has never flown with before, each assigned because they hadn’t kept pace with the squadron’s combat flights due to illness or other issues.
Williams and his wingmen climb towards 26,000 feet, but soon after, the Combat Information Center (CIC) on Oriskany detects inbound unknown aircraft—bogies. As they climb, the flight lead reports a fuel warning light and is directed, along with his own wingman, to return to the fleet, leaving Williams to lead with a less experienced pilot. Williams is now tasked to intercept and identify the incoming aircraft, flying a patrol line based on CIC directions, even as radar contact fades.
The U.S. task force is supported by a detachment of NSA on the USS Helena, off Vladivostok, intercepting Soviet communications. Williams is aware from intercepted communications that the approaching aircraft are told to increase speed for interception. As the bogies pass overhead, Williams visually identifies them as Soviet Mig-15s—superior aircraft, both faster and with higher operational ceilings than his F9F Panther.
As Williams maneuvers, four Mig-15s descend to engage him directly at his altitude in loose formation, all opening fire. The dogfight commences. Williams turns hard into the attackers, manages to get on the tail of one enemy and scores a hit with a short burst, disabling him. His own wingman follows that damaged Mig down, leaving Williams alone at altitude.
Outnumbered, Williams finds himself engaging up to six MiG-15s. He manages to damage and incapacitate at least two pilots in succession, one a well-known World War II ace. In a close-range maneuver, he fires on another MiG, causing pieces of the enemy plane to fly off; Williams is forced into an abrupt maneuver to avoid a collision.
For 35 minutes, Williams is locked in a desperate, exhausting solo fight against the remaining MiGs between 12,000 and 27,000 feet. The Soviet jets exploit their advantages in altitude and speed, taking turns diving down to attack Williams, who relies on the Panther’s tighter turning radius to spoil their aim. Williams focuses his attention on evading attacks, turning just tightly enough to keep himself a difficult target, while returning fire when possible.
In the chaos, Williams runs low on ammunition and, during a moment when he lines up for another shot, another MiG gets on his tail. Williams makes a “fatal mistake” by leveling out instead of turning, and is hit by a 37-millimeter round that explodes in the engine’s accessory section. This destroys all hydraulics and severs the rudder cable, leaving Williams with severely compromised control of his Panther.
With the aircraft crippled, Williams descends toward the cloud layer while a MiG remains behind him firing bursts. Williams pushes and yaws the stick to avoid enemy fire through the storm, finally disappearing into the clouds at about 12,000 feet and losing his pursuer. Once clear, with clouds base still at 500 feet, Williams communicates with the task force, assessing his Panther’s limited control and flyability.
Approaching USS Oriskany, Williams discovers the task force has gone to general quarters and does not initially identify him as friendly, resulting in anti-aircraft fire until another pilot calls off the gunners. Williams circles as the carrier prepares for his emergency landing, moving other aircraft forward to clear a space ahead of the barricade.
Williams must keep his landing speed above 170 knots, far higher than usual, due to the Panther’s battle damage and propensity to stall at lower speeds. He informs the landing signal officer, who relays this to the captain. In strong winds, the Oriskany’s captain uniquely aligns the carrier’s deck to m ...
The November 18, 1952 Dogfight: Williams' 35-minute Solo Air Battle Against six Mig-15s, Classified For Over 50 Years, Awarded the Medal of Honor
Royce Williams stands as one of the most experienced and decorated U.S. Navy fighter pilots, serving with distinction across World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War. His legacy is reflected not just in his 227 combat missions but also in his more than 4,500 flight hours, 518 carrier landings, and his career-long progression through the most significant eras of military aviation.
Williams’ career traces the evolution of naval aviation from the era of canvas-and-stick biplanes through the rise of metal monoplanes and into the jet age. Early in his service, Williams trained and flew biplanes like the N3N before advancing to the famed Hellcat and Corsair fighters. His brother checked him out in the Corsair, and Williams later flew Bearcats and eventually various jet aircraft, including the Panther, Crusader, and F-4 Phantom. Williams fondly recalls the F-8F Bearcat as his favorite airplane, describing the propeller-driven fighter as uniquely powerful and superior to its contemporaries—a passion that persists decades after his retirement.
Williams’ operational experience mirrored the rapid progression in aviation technology. In World War II, he participated in training and operations just months after Pearl Harbor. In Korea, Williams flew at least 70 missions, transitioning into jet fighters as the nature of air combat evolved. The Vietnam War marked perhaps his most significant combat deployments, flying well over 110 missions and engaging in cutting-edge tactical operations. Williams amassed over 4,500 total flight hours, with roughly 3,000 in jet aircraft and 1,500 in propeller aircraft, showcasing his adaptability and proficiency through distinct technological eras.
In 1965, Williams was appointed Wing Commander on the USS Kitty Hawk, charged with the leadership of an advanced air wing including F-4 Phantoms, A-4 Skyhawks, A-6 Intruders, A-1s, and EA support aircraft. This position gave Williams operational oversight of complex strike packages and the latest technologies available to naval aviation.
Williams’ command was marked by innovative tactical thinking. A defining event was the strike on the crucial Haiphong-Hanoi bridge in North Vietnam. Unlike previous high-altitude Air Force and joint attacks that had failed and resulted in aircraft losses against the heavily defended target, Williams conceived a radically different plan. He proposed a low-level approach, keeping all aircraft under 200 feet over water, using no radio, electronic devices, or navigation aids to achieve total surprise. His carefully coordinated strike group soared into action at nearly 500 miles an hour, popping up to attack only at the final moment. The targeted use of A-6 Intruders for the main bombing and F-4 Phantoms for cover allowed Williams and his crews to destroy three of the bridge’s five critical sections without losing a single aircraft—a testament to both his leadership and tactical innovation.
Williams' career was not without significant physical challenges. ...
Military Career: Williams' Navy Fighter Pilot Combat Experience in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, With 227 Missions, 518 Carrier Landings, 4,500+ Flight Hours
Royce Williams’ formative years were significantly shaped by a convergence of national hardship, family military legacy, and a deep early passion for aviation. His story reflects the intertwining influences of economic struggle, communal responsibility, patriotism, spiritual foundation, and the yearning to fly.
Growing up in a small South Dakota town during the Great Depression, Williams saw severe economic devastation from a young age. His family operated a grocery business, and Royce remembers many people in their community being even worse off, particularly those with large families. His father meticulously recorded purchases in a notebook, but many customers could not settle their debts, which soon outpaced the family’s means.
Despite their own hardship, Williams' father helped neighbors in need. He would write down each credit purchase and later told Royce that “if you can collect anything on here, it’s yours.” In effect, his father was donating inventory to those unable to pay, displaying notable generosity and community leadership during desperate times.
Working long days on a farm for $27 a month from an early age, Williams eventually gave up that job to enlist in the Army, accepting even lower pay—$23 a month, with $18 put in the bank—as a testament to the lack of opportunities in the rural Midwest amidst lingering Depression-era scarcity.
Williams describes himself as “kind of a military kid.” His father, a World War I veteran, was deeply engaged in the American Legion in their South Dakota town, often bringing Royce and his brother to meetings. Both boys wore gray uniforms and attended events from the age of eight, including screenings of war films like “All Quiet on the Western Front,” steeping them early in military traditions.
The family eventually moved from South Dakota to Minnesota, where his father continued in business and remained active in community affairs.
Williams recounts a story illustrating his father’s marksmanship and presence of mind: once, when stationed in a small town in wartime Europe and faced with a food shortage, his father shot a wild boar with his service pistol at the urging of hungry locals, providing much-needed meat.
Williams recalls that the attack on Pearl Harbor brought about an immediate, unified resolve across America. Even families with German heritage who had seemed rebellious in World War I got behind the national war effort. Communities organized to save resources, from paper to chewing gum wrappers. It became common to see service flags—blue or gold stars—in house windows, signifying military service and sacrifice.
Spurred by this national mobilization, Williams enlisted just two months after Pearl Harbor in the Minnesota National Guard, which was subsequently nationalized into federal service. He notes that many young men were eager to serve, and he lost two cousins in the fighting in North Africa.
Williams recalls widespread civilian conservation efforts, with everyone “pitching in” by saving and donating goods for the war effort. Service flags in windows were a visible reminder of personal and communal sacrifice during this era.
After relocating to Minnesota, Williams met his future wife on their first day in town at Sunday School when both were 11. This meeting marked the start of a lifelong relationship that would endure throughout Williams’ military career.
In addition to his religious upbringing, Williams’ time in the Boy Scouts further instilled values of leadershi ...
Early Life Influences: Great Depression, Father's WWI Service, Post-Pearl Harbor Sentiment, Interest in Aviation and Military
Following the legendary aerial engagement of November 18, 1952, Admiral Briscoe imposed strict secrecy regarding Royce Williams’ combat actions. As a result, Williams and the involved personnel were given clear directives not to discuss the event.
The official post-mission intelligence summary purposefully misrepresented the details of the encounter, giving credit to multiple pilots rather than accurately acknowledging Williams’ solo achievement. This deliberate falsification formed the historical record for decades, unchallenged due to the classified nature of the true events.
Williams dutifully honored the order of silence, refraining from discussing the engagement even with family, friends, or fellow aviators for over half a century. Meanwhile, the inaccurate official narrative became accepted history within the U.S. Navy aviation community.
After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, newly accessible Russian archives revealed that four Soviet pilots had, in fact, been shot down on November 18, 1952. This directly contradicted the minimized U.S. account, which understated both the intensity and outcome of the air battle.
In 2002, a Russian publication on the Korean War provided details from Soviet records that further contradicted longstanding American reports, amplifying scrutiny from historians and aviation experts.
This body of evidence from Soviet sources convinced U.S. historians to rigorously re-examine the details of the November 18th engagement. Their research led to a reassessment of Williams’ actual accomplishments that day.
After historical research confirmed Williams’ lone engagement and victory over Soviet MiG-15s, his original Silver Star was upgraded to the Navy Cross in 2023, acknowledging the exceptional nature of his actions.
As military honors are traditionally limited by a five-year time window after the act of heroism, Williams’ prospective Medal of Honor required special Congressional action. For the 2026 National Defense Authorization Act, Congress issued a waiver enabling the Medal of Honor to be considered, despite more than 70 years having passed since the event.
From Silver Star to Navy Cross to Medal of Honor at Age 100: Recognition, Soviet Union’s November 18th Revelation, and Congressional Action
Royce Williams was appointed head of the prisoner of war (POW) programs following a pivotal advocacy moment by Sybil Stockdale, wife of senior POW Admiral Stockdale. Sybil, who was briefed by the intelligence community on covert communication methods her husband could use in captivity, played a crucial role in advocating for more engaged, combat-experienced leadership for POW issues. During a high-level lunch in Washington with Navy and personnel chiefs, she insisted that only a dedicated combat aviator willing to put his career on the line could truly serve POW families and needs. Williams' appointment followed immediately, tasked with building the POW program from scratch.
Williams actively coordinated across military branches and government agencies, working with the State Department—where he met Ambassador Averell Harriman—as well as Air Force leadership and other military services. The Air Force had its own internal POW office, but Williams’ approach was broader and cross-service. He traveled extensively, meeting families of imprisoned servicemen nationwide, visiting bases like Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines, and going aboard Navy carriers to gather and share information.
Williams visited bases and operational carrier forces globally to better understand POW conditions, collect intelligence, and support families. He participated in drafting data and plans for the recovery of prisoners after their release, ensuring comprehensive support for their return. His full-time effort set a new standard for inter-service and family engagement in POW advocacy and recovery.
At the time, federal law (Title X) barred Naval Flight Officers (NFOs) from command positions, stopping their careers at the lieutenant commander level, with no prospects for significant advancement or major command roles.
Drawing on his prior experience with Title X while leading promotion plans at the Bureau of Naval Personnel, Williams spearheaded efforts to legislate the removal of NFO command restrictions. He coordinated with Congress and Navy leadership to advance reforms that would provide equal command opportunities for NFOs.
Thanks to Williams' advocacy, legislative reform passed, enabling NFOs to attain senior command positions, removing longstanding career ceilings. The change made it possible for NFOs to reach flag rank and even four-star admiral, fundamentally altering naval career structures and equity.
Williams served as a tactics instructor in the Fleet Air Gunner Unit (VEGU), the direct predecessor to the Naval Fighter Weapons School (Top Gun). Leveraging experience from exchange duty at the Air Force Fighter Weapons School at Nellis and Korean War combat, he taught advanced fighter combat tactics and analyzed enemy maneuvers.
One of Williams’s students went on to be the first commanding officer of Top Gun, crediting Williams for his education in advanced fighter tactics. Williams’ direct influence established a legacy of tactical excellence and contributed to the school’s founding doctrine.
Williams' methods—running inn ...
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