In this episode of the Shawn Ryan Show, Danny Goler shares his research into an unusual phenomenon he calls the "DMT laser code"—structured visual patterns that thousands of people have consistently reported seeing when viewing lasers under the influence of DMT. Goler explains how this discovery, which began with a personal experience during a DMT session, has led to documented observations from over 2,000 individuals and the creation of a public database for further investigation.
Beyond the laser code phenomenon, Goler discusses broader concepts including simulation theory, the computational nature of consciousness, and the existence of non-human intelligences. He explores how altered states of consciousness might provide access to deeper layers of reality, the illusion of individual self, and humanity's spiritual evolution. Goler frames humanity's current stage as an "alignment problem," suggesting our ability to shift from competitive to collaborative consciousness may determine our place in a larger cosmic community.

Sign up for Shortform to access the whole episode summary along with additional materials like counterarguments and context.
Danny Goler's research into DMT-induced phenomena began with an extraordinary encounter with an advanced hybrid amphibian being that taught him guitar chords he didn't previously know. The tangible, real-world information from this experience convinced him something objectively unexplainable was occurring, prompting years of investigation into how such phenomena might be measured and verified.
After years of exploration, Goler's breakthrough came during COVID lockdowns when he and his wife tested a red laser on a wall while under DMT's influence. They witnessed structured "codes"—intricate visual patterns that appeared physically present rather than hallucinatory. What distinguished this from typical DMT visuals was its overwhelming realism and objectivity, convincing even Goler's previously skeptical wife.
Goler then brought in friends and observers without priming or suggestion, and consistently, witnesses described organized designs resembling hybrid Asian scripts, Hebrew, and Aramaic—structured yet not corresponding to known languages. These tiny, complex hieroglyphs appeared within geometric layouts, often resembling advanced technological schematics. Control experiments where observers were instructed to expect different imagery still yielded reports of the same symbolic code, demonstrating remarkable consistency across sessions, wavelengths, and laser configurations. Over time, more than 2,000 individuals confirmed essentially the same phenomenon.
To build a scientific database, Goler and his team launched veilbreak.ai, accessible via codereality.org, allowing anonymous public contributions cataloging wavelength, laser distance, and experimental details for AI-driven analysis.
According to Goler, the DMT laser code exhibits properties indicating highly sophisticated, self-executing technology rather than random hallucination. The code appears to "run" on surfaces, shifting and functioning as lasers move or viewer perspectives change. Substance comparisons reveal that [restricted term] doesn't elicit the code, but 5-MeO-DMT intensifies it, making the visual schematic more resolved and cohesive, reminiscent of alien blueprints from science fiction.
Goler argues these observations, especially when paired with tools like Apple Vision Pro that can map brain activity to symbol perception, provide a case transcending subjective hallucination. The database and documentation aim to demonstrate that what thousands see represents a new, potentially alien form of structured information, inviting deep scientific investigation into consciousness, perception, and reality itself.
Goler, drawing on recent developments in physics and neuroscience, offers a vision where computational logic underlies physical law, the nature of experience, and the very structure of time and possibility.
Goler describes our world as a computationally rendered simulation where the laws of physics are a higher-level rendering of deeper computational rules. He argues computation is more fundamental than physics—we didn't invent it, but discovered it as a feature of reality. Fields like information physics interpret the universe's physical laws in terms of information processing.
The holographic principle, well-established in mainstream physics, posits that our three-dimensional universe is a projection from two-dimensional information. Goler theorizes that consciousness functions as a "second light beam" intersecting the field of universal information, generating our subjective perception of reality. He suggests the substrate recording all information is the fabric of spacetime itself.
Goler highlights that the world we experience is a rendering optimized for survival, with the brain filtering information to allow effective action. Beyond this exists vast oceans of incoherent information, only some of which constitutes coherent realities.
Goler asserts that consciousness is simply the fact of experience itself—anything happening at all. He rejects claims that consciousness could be illusory, arguing that even doubt is experience and thus evidence of consciousness. The one irreducible certainty is that experience is occurring.
He describes consciousness as coming in levels and types, from cellular experience to human agent-like consciousness and potentially planetary forms. Recent collaboration between neuroscientist Andrew Gallimore and consciousness researcher Donald Hoffman introduces the "experience kernel," a mathematical object modeling the shape and domain of possible experiences. By altering this kernel through DMT, the span of accessible experiences expands far outside normal boundaries.
Goler explains that computation carries an inherent arrow of logical progression—each step is executed forward and cannot be uncomputed. While Einstein's theories entertain time travel, Goler asserts genuine travel to the physical past is impossible under computational rules. Instead, "time travel" would mean moving laterally to a parallel branch resembling one's personal past.
He describes the universe as a continuously branching decision tree where each neurological or physical firing generates new parallel worlds. Human consciousness experiences only one branch while every possibility plays out in simultaneously computed branches. Citing physicist David Deutsch, Goler explains that quantum computers only function as they do if parallel worlds are real, providing technological evidence for multiple, simultaneously real realities.
Goler describes DMT as exceptionally coherent and structured, suggesting it exposes users not to constructed fantasies but to real, organized content. Unlike other psychedelics, DMT gives rise to what feels like objective, external experiences—making normal waking life seem like just another layer of a larger dream by comparison.
Citing Dr. Andrew Gallimore's work, Goler explains that DMT appears to loosen the brain's filtering mechanisms, allowing vastly greater information to reach consciousness than the brain normally processes. This creates an overwhelming sense of ontological surprise and reality shift.
Goler details how researchers have developed methods for maintaining constant DMT infusion using anesthesia technology, allowing participants to remain in the DMT state for extended periods at controlled intensities. This innovation makes exploring DMT's world more stable and interactive.
Goler suggests the sense of a defined, autonomous self is a survival adaptation constructed through psychological reference points—not a singular entity but an ongoing process woven from sensation and conditioning. Through sustained meditation practice, practitioners may observe that the experience of self is just a changing flux of events, with no actual experiencer—only a collection of perceptions and reactions.
During episodes of self-loss, the sense of observer and observed collapses. Goler describes this "collapsing of the self" as profoundly harmonious, revealing a continuous, undivided field of consciousness. He notes this insight is accessible through steady contemplative or devotional practices without psychedelic visions. Operating without constant reference to a constructed self brings psychological relief and greater functional clarity.
Goler reports a complex landscape of non-human intelligences operating within, behind, or parallel to our perceived reality, each carrying out unique roles.
The insectoid beings are described as builders and engineers responsible for rendering physical reality, maintaining its fidelity to prevent collapse. These planetary-scale insectoids vary in appearance from praying mantises to centipedes and spiders, some reportedly the size of planets. Despite their alien nature, they perform error correction and system maintenance with clinical neutrality—neither helping nor hindering out of emotion. They reportedly view humans clearly and possess the ability to pull any point in time and space toward themselves at will.
Reptilians, contrary to conspiracy theories, act as custodians of wisdom and systems of understanding, upholding domains of knowledge rather than governing through emotion.
Jokers exist across all levels of existence, capable of instant transit between dimensions. They embody both light and darkness in an undecipherable balance, often sensed more by their presence than any fixed appearance.
According to Goler, angelic and demonic entities coexist across the same realms, operating according to an underlying set of rules. Encounters with darker entities can be mitigated by active boundary-setting—particularly for religious individuals, asserting authority immediately creates a boundary that cannot be violated. This suggests an inviolable law that recognizes individual agency and sovereignty as nearly sacred. Even the darkest entities are believed to fall under the divine embrace, with all retaining potential for redemption or transformation.
Goler explores humanity's path of spiritual development, framing our journey as an alignment problem analogous to those faced in artificial intelligence.
Goler extends AI's alignment problem to humanity itself, suggesting we are undergoing our own alignment test to see if we can naturally align with higher purposes and universal values. He proposes civilization has historically played various "games"—from competitive nation-states to corporate structures. Competition excites groups short-term but ultimately founders when agents turn against each other. For humanity's longer-term thriving, he claims only collaborative "love games" succeed.
Goler imagines the universe as a constructed simulation in which God observes humanity's choices, seeking to understand what essence emerges when beings don't know they're watched. If humanity demonstrates the ability to align with greater values, we are invited to join advanced civilizations in the cosmic community.
Goler explains that competition derives from resource scarcity, but as technology advances toward abundance, competition becomes obsolete. Once material needs are met, the only worthy currency is the "vibe"—the quality of presence and consciousness in social interaction. Advanced civilizations, having overcome scarcity, require new entrants to demonstrate healthy vibes and consciousness of care.
Goler describes disclosure as a gradual process, with reality presenting phenomena like the "DMT laser code" as hints to gently introduce humanity to greater truths without overwhelming shock. As individuals awaken to these larger truths, collective consciousness incrementally shifts. This awakening demands humility and releasing rigid beliefs to allow experience to inform understanding.
Goler cautions that armchair criticism does little to improve shared human experience. Real change begins with concrete local action: making your neighbor's life better, embodying positive energy, and cultivating genuine caring relationships. He emphasizes that embodying grace, recognition, and collaborative spirit—especially in parenting—lays the ground for future generations to thrive in a more conscious and cooperative world. Goler frames humanity's journey as culminating in an ultimate choice with real stakes, where humanity itself processes and shapes ultimate reality through every genuine choice made by individuals and collectives.
1-Page Summary
Danny Goler’s journey began with a transformative encounter that would shape years of research into a profound and puzzling visual phenomenon. After meeting an advanced hybrid amphibian being—resembling a cross between a frog and a lizard—under the influence of DMT, Goler was shown how to play new guitar chords he didn’t previously know. This experience, more real than any prior psychedelic visions, convinced him that something objectively unexplainable was occurring, particularly because of the novel information imparted by the being. Determined to prove the reality of such encounters, Goler resolved to scientifically verify and share his experiences.
Driven by these questions, Goler spent years exploring how such phenomena might be observed and measured. He concluded that light, specifically how it interacts with boundaries or surfaces, might play a crucial role. Guided by intuition, theory, and a series of synchronistic events, he focused on using a diffracted laser, suspecting it could reveal structured information otherwise invisible to normal perception.
The breakthrough finally arrived during the COVID lockdowns, when Goler, with difficulty, procured a red laser from China and assembled it. He and his wife then tried the laser on a wall while under the influence of DMT. To their amazement, structured wall visuals—recognized as ‘codes’—became visible. What struck Goler was the overwhelming realism and objectivity of the code; it did not resemble usual DMT hallucinations but appeared instead as something physically present. His previously skeptical wife became convinced only after witnessing the code herself, an event which shifted her perspective and encouraged further documentation.
Goler then brought friends and other observers into the experiment, deliberately avoiding suggestion or priming. Consistently, witnesses described seeing intricate, organized designs that appeared to be a hybrid of Asian scripts, Hebrew, and Aramaic—structured and intentional, yet not directly corresponding to known languages. People commonly reported the same strange characters, sometimes likened to Japanese katakana, but always acknowledged that the symbols were not any real written language. Instead, the symbols and numbers appeared as tiny, complex hieroglyphs composed within geometric, hyper-organized layouts, often resembling advanced technological schematics.
To further validate the experience, observers in control experiments were instructed to expect different kinds of imagery. They reliably reported not what was suggested, but the strange symbolic code—a testimony to its consistency and repeatability across sessions, wavelenghts, and laser configurations. Over time, more than 2,000 individuals confirmed essentially the same phenomenon.
To build a scientific database, Goler and his team launched veilbreak.ai, an open-source tool accessible via codereality.org. The platform allows anonymous public contributions, cataloging wavelength, laser distance, and other experimental details, with the goal of amassing data for AI-driven analysis. The approach is deliberately open and systematic, gathering a growing body of first-hand accounts to facilitate broader sci ...
The Dmt Laser Code Phenomenon
Simulation theory and modern physics increasingly propose that our universe is fundamentally computational, and that consciousness itself is not a byproduct of material processes but a fundamental feature of reality. Danny Goler, drawing on recent developments in physics and neuroscience, offers a vision where computational logic underlies physical law, the nature of experience, and the very structure of time and possibility.
Goler describes our world as a computationally rendered simulation, asserting that what we perceive as the laws of physics are, in fact, a higher-level rendering of even deeper computational rules. He likens computation to a logical process instantiated in physical matter, noting that this notion is increasingly mainstream among physicists. In computers, computation underlies every layer, from binary code to high-level programming languages. Similarly, Goler claims that computation is more fundamental than the laws of physics—and that we didn't invent computation, but discovered it as a feature of reality. Fields such as information physics attempt to interpret the universe’s physical laws in terms of information processing, using benchmarks like Claude Shannon’s theory. Goler further posits that simulating the laws of physics, and creating new ones in computational environments, shows that computation underlies the rendering of reality itself.
The holographic principle, now a well-established idea in mainstream physics, posits that our three-dimensional universe is a projection from two-dimensional information encoded at its boundaries. Goler compares this to the creation of a hologram: one beam of light interacts with an object and records information (amplitude), while another reference beam meets it at an angle (recording phase). The interference pattern on the recording medium captures all possible perspectives of the object. Goler theorizes that consciousness itself functions similarly, acting as a "second light beam" that intersects the field of universal information at a specific angle. This interaction generates our subjective perception of reality. For other agents (e.g., another civilization looking from a different angle), different laws of physics might be rendered and perceived. Goler further suggests that the substrate recording all information is the very fabric of spacetime, or what physicists call the “bulk.”
Goler highlights that the world as we experience it is a simulation or rendering tailored for optimal survival, much like a computer desktop interface. The brain dials in the right amount of information to allow effective action—eating, mating, surviving—in this "agent’s bubble." Beyond this, vast oceans of incoherent information exist, only some of which constitute worlds or realities with coherence. If our perceptual angle is altered or expanded (such as through nonordinary experiences or substances), we might briefly glimpse this "pre-rendered" reality, but such overload typically isn’t sustainable for practical living without dramatically enhanced cognitive capacity.
Goler asserts that consciousness is defined simply as the fact of experience itself—anything happening at all. He rejects the claim that consciousness could be illusory, arguing that even doubt is itself an experience, and thus evidence of consciousness. The one irreducible certainty is that experience is occurring, even if all other beliefs about the universe are mistaken.
Consciousness, according to Goler, isn’t monolithic. He describes consciousness as coming in levels and types, from the basic experience of cells, to humans’ agent-like consciousness, and potentially to planetary or more diffuse (non-embodied) forms. The separateness of agent consciousness enables distinct action and perspective, but all consciousness arises from a universal pool. Goler likens this multilayered nature to Russian nesting dolls: agency increases with the amount of information encompassed, with cells and humans possessing different spans of awareness, and even the Earth potentially representing another level.
Recent collaboration between neuroscientist Andrew Gallimore and consciousness researcher Donald Hoffman introduces the "experience kernel," a mathematical object modeling the shape and domain of possible experiences. By altering this kernel—for example, through administering DMT—the span of accessible experiences expands far outside normal boundaries, granting access to new (often indescribable) experiential realms. This work aims to test and quantify the theory that what we can experience is mathematically and computationally determined, and that altered states reconfigure access to the experience pool.
Goler ex ...
Simulation Theory and Computational Consciousness
Danny Goler describes the DMT experience as exceptionally coherent and structured, counter to the assumption that it is mere chaotic hallucination. This coherence suggests to Goler that DMT exposes users not to constructed fantasies, but to real, organized content. He notes that, compared to other psychedelics or substances like 5-MeO-DMT, DMT's visionary content feels more complex and intensely unfamiliar, revealing realms or "content" that most people never knew were possible to experience.
DMT differs from other altered states in that it gives rise to what feels like objective, external experiences. Goler equates the DMT state to dreaming, but at an entirely new level: just as one awakens from a dream and recognizes it as unreal, the DMT experience can make normal waking life seem, by comparison, like just another layer of a larger dream. The content encountered often appears to exist independently, as if accessing realities that feel as real as, or even more real than, consensus reality.
Goler explains—citing Dr. Andrew Gallimore's work—that DMT appears to “loosen” the brain’s filtering mechanisms. Normally, the brain consolidates and simplifies perception into forms it can process, but under DMT, these filters are reduced. This allows a vastly greater volume of raw information to reach consciousness, creating an overwhelming sense of ontological surprise and reality shift. The state can be shocking due to the sheer amount and newness of the experience, as the mind receives more sensory or conceptual input than it normally handles.
Goler details the evolution of DMT research: early intravenous studies (notably by Dr. Rick Strassman) involved only brief, high-dose exposure. By applying anesthesia technology, Dr. Gallimore and other researchers have developed methods for maintaining constant DMT infusion, allowing participants to remain in the DMT state for extended periods—potentially hours—and at chosen intensity. Researchers like Dr. Chris Timmerman, Dr. John Dean, and dedicated facilitators such as Kevin and Haley in Colorado, with legal retreats like Elucis in St. Vincent’s, provide multi-day, professionally supported DMT sessions with continuous monitoring and participant communication. This innovation makes exploring DMT’s world more stable and interactive, with users able to request dose adjustments and even communicate during the experience.
Goler suggests the sense of a defined, autonomous self is a survival adaptation, constructed through psychological reference points—the mind’s catalog of relationships with external phenomena. This self-model is not a singular entity, but rather an ongoing process woven from sensation and conditioning. The perception of individuality is thus an illusion, arising from habitual patterns and neural processes.
Long-term meditation practice (such as vipassana) can gradually loosen this constructed self. By sustained attention, practitioners may observe that the experience of self is just a changing flux of events, and that there is actually “nothing there” when looking for an experiencer—only a collection of perceptions and reactions. Goler describes this ego dissolution as accessible without drugs, given enough practice and focus, and points out that psychedelic insights often parallel advanced meditative realizations, but DMT provides unique visionary and sensory intensity.
During episodes of self-loss—whether through meditation, substances, or even spiritual devotion—the sense of observer and observed collapses. Goler describes this “collapsing of the self” as profoundly harmonious, a state of pure being wh ...
Altered States of Consciousness and Self
Reports from Danny Goler and others suggest a complex landscape of non-human intelligences operating within, behind, or parallel to our perceived reality. These entities are distinct in form and function, often carrying out unique roles that maintain, mediate, or challenge the fabric of existence itself.
The insectoid beings are described as the builders and engineers of the universe. They are responsible for rendering not just Earth, but the entirety of physical reality, weaving it together and maintaining its fidelity to prevent it from collapsing. These planetary-scale insectoids are massively varied in appearance, ranging from figures reminiscent of praying mantises to centipedes and spiders. Some are reportedly the size of planets, weaving reality itself with clinical neutrality.
Despite their alien nature, insectoids perform error correction and system maintenance as necessary. Their operation can be interpreted as automated, but with the ability to intervene in extraordinary situations. There is speculation that their existence may correspond to dark matter, existing at a layer of reality that cloaks them from ordinary perception, while the galaxy itself might function as their domain or "city." Insectoids reportedly view humans as clearly as humans see one another and possess the ability to pull any part of the universe—including any point in time and space—toward themselves at will. Their demeanor is completely neutral; they neither help nor hinder out of emotion or malice. To human expectations, this neutrality can feel disappointingly cold—comparable to the letdown of lifting an empty milk carton expecting it to be full.
Contact with insectoids is described as direct yet impersonal. Interactions can feel bureaucratic: there is a notable difference between receiving a general signal versus an "official statement" from what might be described as their governmental structure—akin to receiving a formal email rather than a casual remark.
Reptilians are described as entirely separate from the negative stereotypes popularized in conspiracy theories. Instead of being malicious manipulators, true reptilians act as custodians of wisdom and systems of understanding. Their role is to uphold domains of knowledge—comprehending the workings of reality rather than governing through emotion or interpersonal warmth. Like insectoids, they keep to their domain and interact according to their own nature and purpose.
Jokers are unique in the taxonomy of interdimensional entities. These beings do not belong to any particular reality layer; rather, they exist across all levels of existence. Jokers can transit between the highest and lowest dimensions instantaneously. They are described as embodying both light and darkness, the yin and the yang, in an undecipherable balance. Their singular trait is their multifaceted presence, which can feel overwhelming, manic, or even deranged—like the unpredictable energy of a carnival—but also capable of great benevolence and care.
Jokers are often sensed more by their "vibe" or presence than by any fixed appearance. They intentionally remain enigmatic—undecipherable even to themselves—constantly experiencing the duality of their own existence.
The experiential landscape is populated not just by insectoids, reptilians, and jokers, but also by angelic and demonic entities. According to Goler, these beings coexist across the same realms. It is not unusual, for example, to imagine them sharing space (like passengers on a bus), with everyone operating according to an underlying set of rules. Some entities may test or try to subvert these systems, but the basic order is maintained.
Encounters with darker entities—such as those described during sleep paralysis—can be mitigated by active boundary-setting. Particularly for religious individuals, asserting authority (for example, invoking the name of Jesus Christ to claim one's body and space) immediately creates a boundary that cannot be violated. This response seems to trigger an inviolable law, universally respected in the interdimensional domains, that recognizes individual agency and sovereignty as nearly sacred. No entity, however dark, can cross such clearly established lines.
Entities and Interdimensional Beings
Danny Goler explores humanity’s path of spiritual development, framing our journey as an alignment problem analogous to those faced in artificial intelligence. He considers whether humanity can collectively embody universal values, evolve beyond primal competition, and consciously enter a greater cosmic community.
Goler explains the alignment problem in artificial intelligence: ensuring AI acts in accordance with human values. He extends this to humanity itself, suggesting that we, as conscious agents, are undergoing our own alignment test. Throughout history, humans have struggled to agree on universal morals and ethics, with cultural and religious divides complicating efforts to define “the good.” Goler posits that, much like breaking a single mind into many for observation, humanity is fractured into individual agents so our interactions distill our essential nature. This sets up a scenario where humanity, as if placed in a divine simulation, is being observed—not in a punitive or surveilling way, but to see if we can naturally align with higher purposes and universal values when left to our own devices.
Goler proposes that civilization has historically played various “games” to organize itself—from competitive nation-states to corporate structures. Competition excites and unifies groups for a time but ultimately founders when agents turn against each other. Goler stresses that competition is effective only in the short term—20, 30, maybe 50 years—before it begins to threaten the whole system. For humanity's longer-term thriving (on the scale of a thousand years or more), he claims only collaborative "love games" succeed. In a collaborative mode, individuals unite to accomplish lasting goals rather than vie for short-term individual gain.
He likens planetary exploration and environmental stewardship to complementary roles: some people seek new frontiers, while others nurture home. Both are integral. The act of striving towards larger goals—whether successful or not—reveals lessons vital for all. Goler asserts that what matters is not uniformity but functional balance and mutual support among those with different drives.
Goler imagines the universe as a constructed simulation in which God observes humanity’s choices and interactions, seeking to understand what essence emerges when beings do not know they are watched. The simulated environment is not "fake" but rendered with different rules, designed to provoke genuine behavior and discovery. If humanity demonstrates the ability to align with greater values, Goler suggests we are then invited to "play the bigger game"—to join advanced civilizations in the cosmic community.
Goler explains that competition derives from resource scarcity, creating an “it’s either you or me” mentality. As technology advances, humanity is moving toward abundance, illustrated metaphorically by the idea of everyone having personal replicators. In such a world, competition becomes obsolete, and civilizations that solve the resource problem shift focus from survival to meaning and connection.
Once material needs are met, Goler observes that the only worthy currency is the “vibe”: the quality of presence and consciousness in social interaction. Being “fun to be around” or missed when absent becomes the true value. At the highest level of civilization, the collaborative creation of beauty and harmony—and how individuals uplift one another—matters most.
Goler posits that highly advanced civilizations, having overcome scarcity, require new entrants to demonstrate healthy vibes and a consciousness of care. Only those societies that manage collaborative harmony and caring stewardship are welcome, as dysfunctional, competitive societies would disrupt the larger cosmic order.
Goler describes disclosure—the revelation of expanded reality and our simulated or constructed universe—as a gradual process. Like giving tools to a monkey to see if it discovers their purpose, reality presents phenomena such as the “DMT laser code” as hints. Humanity is gently introduced to greater truths to avoid overwhelming or shocking individuals, allowing gradual accli ...
Spiritual Evolution and Human Alignment
Download the Shortform Chrome extension for your browser
