In this episode of the Shawn Ryan Show, financial expert Rob Luna shares his insights on wealth management and tax optimization strategies, including the use of bonus depreciation, C Corp structuring, and R&D tax credits. Luna also discusses how AI and automation are reshaping the job market, emphasizing the growing importance of specialization and adaptability in maintaining job security.
The conversation covers several other key financial topics, including real estate investment trends and the ongoing migration to tax-friendly states. Luna examines the potential impacts of current economic policies on the American dream, the role of government intervention in markets, and offers his perspective on cryptocurrency investments versus traditional assets like gold and real estate.

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Rob Luna introduces his new company, Valtryon Wealth Management, which offers comprehensive financial services integrating taxes, financial planning, and business strategies. Luna emphasizes proactive tax planning, using reverse-engineering tactics to minimize taxes legally. He highlights several key strategies, including bonus depreciation for real estate investments, C Corp structuring for potential tax-free sales up to $15 million, and R&D tax credits. Luna stresses that financial literacy and understanding the tax code are crucial differentiators between the wealthy and poor.
Rob Luna and Shawn Ryan discuss the transformative effects of AI on the workforce. Luna advises that job security will increasingly depend on high specialization, critical thinking skills, and adaptability. He describes AI as a "force multiplier" for skilled entrepreneurs who can leverage it effectively. The speakers express concern about workers resistant to change and emphasize the need for individuals to become more financially self-reliant as traditional employment models evolve.
Luna and Ryan identify a significant exodus from high-tax states to more affordable areas like Florida, Texas, and Tennessee. They note that traditional locations offering good value, safety, and family-oriented environments are experiencing real estate booms. The speakers recommend targeting markets with growth catalysts, such as business relocations and population influx. Luna details the benefits of opportunity zones and bonus depreciation as tax-advantaged investment vehicles in real estate.
Luna criticizes current political trends and policies that he believes undermine the American dream. He expresses concern about welfare policies and government bailouts promoting what he sees as a culture of mediocrity. The speakers discuss the sustainability of national debt, with Luna warning about potential consequences including social system failures, U.S. debt downgrade, and the dollar losing its reserve currency status.
Rob Luna expresses skepticism about cryptocurrency's long-term stability and value, citing its lack of intrinsic worth and regulatory concerns. Instead, he advocates for traditional assets like gold and real estate. Luna recommends a portfolio allocation of five to ten percent in gold, noting its industrial applications and historical performance as a hedge during economic uncertainty.
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Rob Luna addresses the importance of utilizing strategic tax planning to optimize one's financial situation as Valtryon Wealth Management opens its doors, offering comprehensive service to entrepreneurs and business owners.
Rob Luna introduces his new company, Valtryon Wealth Management, with a robust service that integrates taxes, financial planning, and business strategies. Shawn Ryan, a business owner, commends Valtryon for delivering all-encompassing financial services. Luna emphasizes the necessity of proactive tax planning, highlighting that most CPAs adopt a reactive approach resulting in financial losses. At Valtryon, Luna's team employs a reverse-engineering tactic on the tax code to legally minimize taxes from the year's start, customizing strategies for each individual or business to harness all legal tax avenues.
The overarching aim of Valtryion's strategy is to retain earnings for entrepreneurs and their families, rather than unnecessary dispense to the government, fostering growth within businesses. Ryan vouches for this method, showcasing significant tax savings achieved by Valtryon's clients.
Luna points to the U.S. progressive tax system where income is taxed in portions, highlighting the opportunity for savvy investors. Luna underscores the importance of proactive engagement with the tax system for financial gain. Real estate is given as a pertinent example, with bonus depreciation allowing for a substantial part of an investment to be depreciated in the first year, reducing taxable income. Luna explains that setting up a small business as a C Corp and holding it for five years could result in a tax-free sale up to $15 million.
Luna leverages the recent increase in bonus depreciation to 100% as a crucial investment strategy. The requirement, however, is to establish this structure prior to the business generating significant income, highlighting a 50% tax exemption after two years and a full exemption after five years.
Luna also elaborates on the benefits of leveraging research and development (R&D) tax credits for offsetting income taxes—though t ...
Tax Planning and Financial Optimization Strategies
Rob Luna and Shawn Ryan address the deep-seated concerns of AI and automation’s impact on the workforce, suggesting that a significant mindset shift is necessary to adapt and innovate in a rapidly evolving job market.
Experts including Rob Luna and Shawn Ryan point out the vast changes AI and automation may bring to the workforce, with specific sectors potentially disappearing worldwide. They highlight that the elimination of jobs could precipitate mass unemployment, which might increase reliance on government assistance. Luna advises that in the face of these changes, individuals should develop new skill sets and adapt to AI to remain competitive in the job market. He states that the critical factors for job security will be high specialization, critical thinking skills, and adaptability.
Luna discusses the trend of businesses investing in AI to increase productivity and reduce labor costs, which is traditionally the highest input cost. He points out that individuals who understand how to use AI effectively in finance, strategy, and scaling will succeed where others may fail. Luna emphasizes AI as a "force multiplier,” particularly for skilled entrepreneurs who are capable of leveraging AI to enhance their productivity significantly.
There is a criticism leveled against the ‘average’ worker, who Luna claims is resistant to adapt and innovate in the job market. He argues that businesses nowadays demand more from their employees and that those who are complacent or satisfied with doing the bare minimum may find themselves unemployed. Luna implies that current workers must rid themselves of the "everyone gets a trophy" mindset, and instead cultivate a willingness to work hard and innovate.
AI and Automation's Impact on Jobs and Economy
As the housing market diversifies and changes, expert commentary from Rob Luna and Shawn Ryan sheds light on emerging trends and investment approaches.
Rob Luna and Shawn Ryan highlight an ongoing movement away from traditionally high-tax states. People who played a significant role in building cities like New York are now moving to states like Florida, Texas, and Tennessee. Ryan recognizes a substantial migration from states such as New York, Washington, Oregon, and California. This exodus influences real estate markets across the country, inflating prices in states like Florida while causing a deflation in states like New York. Shawn Ryan suggests that buying property in high-tax states may not yield equity returns due to this population shift.
On the flip side, areas like middle Tennessee are experiencing an explosive real estate market. These more affordable and traditional locations are proving highly desirable for real estate investments. Ryan and Luna discuss that while places like Southern California remain popular, other regions such as Dixon, Tennessee, or Alabama offer homes at more accessible price points, such as $300,000, unlike the half-million-dollar homes in pricier locales. Rob Luna observes that people are looking for areas that provide good value, safety, and a family-oriented environment, which is contributing to a real estate boom in these regions.
Luna and Ryan advocate for targeting real estate markets with growth catalysts, such as job relocations and population influx. Luna cites businesses like Tesla and Oracle relocating to Texas and Nashville as evidence of this shift. He mentions that areas with traditional values are attracting investments, and Ryan suggests that buying in states that are seeing an influx, like Florida, Tennessee, and Texas, could lead to equity gains. They both see relocations and an influx of people as the economic driving force behind the growth of previously less targeted locations.
For example, in Ohio, political candidates propose to make the state tax-free, which, in turn, has attracted companies like Anduril to relocate there. This predicts a robust potential for real estate growth in Ohio.
Ryan briefly touches upon a potential investing strategy of a 50-year mortgage and the concept of a 1031 exchange ...
The Housing Market and Real Estate Investment Trends
Rob Luna and Shawn Ryan discuss the challenges facing the American dream, suggesting that the erosion of values and a drift towards fiscally irresponsible governance have compromised this national ethos.
Rob Luna voices his concerns over current political trends, arguing that policies from both the left and the right are threatening the American dream. He criticizes welfare policies and government bailouts such as the PPP loans for promoting what he sees as a culture of mediocrity, as well as higher taxes, which he believes disincentivize hard work. He also expresses worry over the current population's work ethic, seeing it as divergent from the entrepreneurial spirit fundamental to the American dream.
Luna condemns the mentality that "everyone gets a trophy," viewing it as a counter to the self-reliance and motivation associated with the American dream. He criticizes policies like the 50-year mortgage and suggests that individuals should "man up" and make an extra $350 a month instead of relying on long-term debt, indicating his preference for less government intervention. He mentions the negative impacts of previous policies on homeownership, which led to a housing market collapse and government debt forgiveness for short-sold homes, again emphasizing the importance of personal responsibility.
Luna expresses frustration with what he perceives as a weakening America, where people are not willing to sacrifice for traditionally respected jobs, citing the NYPD as an example. He laments that the American dream is at risk because people seek reward without hard work. Additionally, Luna criticizes the mentality of complaining about receiving 'only' $1,000, instead of appreciating and investing the money, reinforcing the value he places on self-reliance and ingenuity.
The discussion delves into concerns about the sustainability of current national debt and deficit levels. There's a call for significant GDP growth or increased taxes to address the deficit, with a warning that without fiscally responsible governance, the U.S. could mirror European models viewed negatively by the speakers. Shawn Ryan expresses concern about the implications of n ...
Policy Impact on the American Dream
As individuals and investors look to navigate another year of financial unpredictability, Shawn Ryan delves into the topic of cryptocurrency and its position within investment strategies.
In the financial world, cryptocurrency continues to create waves of both interest and skepticism, as industry professionals like Rob Luna weigh in on its potential as a reliable asset.
Rob Luna articulates skepticism towards the long-term stability and value of cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin. He refers to his own experience in the financial sector, specifically his long-standing presence on TV and the importance of aligning his recommendations with those given to his clients. He draws on Bitcoin's volatility and compares it to more traditional investment avenues such as small cap stocks and nuclear stocks, which have recently seen considerable gains, unlike Bitcoin, which had lost 18% that year.
Luna highlights the absence of an intrinsic value in cryptocurrency, having divested from his Bitcoin holdings a year prior and ceased all cryptocurrency positions approximately six months ago. He expresses concerns over the valuation of cryptocurrency, as it relies heavily on what someone is willing to pay rather than tangible utility or worth.
Moreover, Luna discusses potential vulnerabilities of blockchain technology in the face of supercomputing and the facilitation of illicit activities through cryptocurrencies. These issues underscore the challenges governments face in exerting regulatory control. Luna also worries about cryptocurrency becoming a systemic risk if it becomes too intertwined with major financial organizations, which could lead to a situation where taxpayers might have to fund a bailout.
Luna contrasts cryptocurrencies with the proven reliability and intrinsic value of assets such as gold and real estate. He criticizes the misuse of PPP loans during the COVID-19 pandemic, where funds were spent on luxury items rather than sound investments. His argument is reinforced by the current high price of gold, which stands at $4,200 an ounce – a significant rise from $1,200 over five years – depicting gold as a trusted hedge against economic ...
Cryptocurrency and Alternative Investment Strategies
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