In this episode of On Purpose with Jay Shetty, Sara Al Madani and Jay Shetty discuss how inner work, self-love, and personal accountability serve as foundations for healthy relationships and authentic living. Al Madani shares her journey of healing from toxic relationships, explaining how unresolved childhood wounds and lack of self-worth kept her in destructive patterns. She redefines concepts like forgiveness, self-love, and trauma, emphasizing that genuine transformation requires taking responsibility for one's choices rather than blaming external circumstances.
The conversation covers practical approaches to modern dating, including the importance of compatibility over chemistry, recognizing red flags like love-bombing, and avoiding the trap of falling for someone's potential instead of their reality. Al Madani and Shetty also explore the nature of toxic relationships, the courage required to leave abusive situations, and how spirituality and manifesting intersect with personal transformation. Ultimately, the episode presents love as a conscious choice requiring daily effort, not just a feeling, and emphasizes freedom and growth over possession and control in relationships.

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Sara Al Madani and Jay Shetty explore how inner work, self-love, forgiveness, and reframing pain serve as essential pillars for genuine healing, relationship satisfaction, and authentic living.
Al Madani defines inner work as a process of peeling away the masks imposed by society, family, and cultural conditioning to rediscover one's authentic self—the person you were before being told what and who to be. She emphasizes that personality is mostly created between ages zero to eight, making curiosity crucial for uncovering underlying unconscious patterns and childhood traumas. True inner work, Al Madani and Shetty agree, starts when you stop blaming others and take personal responsibility for your pain, suffering, and choices.
Al Madani notes that the path to inner work varies—including talk therapy, hypnotherapy, spiritual practices, meditation, and plant medicine—but insists that commitment to healing matters more than which specific modality is chosen. As an awakening coach, she emphasizes that the goal is to empower people to become their own healers, not to create dependency.
Al Madani reveals that self-love, or its absence, is at the heart of relationship patterns. Early wounds to self-worth fermented into lifelong feelings of being "not worthy," pushing her into choices made from a need to prove herself rather than self-assurance. She realized that simply changing partners did not change the outcomes; she kept attracting familiar kinds of toxicity because it was subconsciously comfortable.
She insists that genuine self-love involves setting boundaries, communicating needs, prioritizing oneself, and maintaining authenticity and self-respect. Using the metaphor of an empath without boundaries being like a house with no doors, she warns that people often mistake self-love for external indulgence—first-class travel, designer purchases, cosmetic procedures—but these do not fill the inner emptiness left by a lack of self-acceptance, boundaries, and respect. True self-love is foundational: "You have to give that love to yourself before trading it and giving it to others."
Al Madani redefines forgiveness as not excusing or condoning harm, but forgiving oneself for having tolerated, permitted, or stayed in damaging situations. Forgiveness for her means arriving at emotional neutrality—a state where she feels nothing at all about those who harmed her: "If I'm still angry or I hate any of my exes, I still have feelings for them." She knows she's healed when she is indifferent.
She reaffirms that forgiveness does not mean granting renewed access or reconciliation: "No apology accepted, access denied. If you didn't apologize, it's okay. Access still denied." Closure and forgiveness are practices you do alone, independent of whether the other person changes or seeks you out.
For Al Madani, every pain and heartbreak is an opportunity to connect with the divine and grow. She says her lowest moments—"the basement of rock bottom"—were where she encountered God and began her self-love journey. By finding meaning or beauty in darkness, she becomes unbreakable and emerges even stronger. She credits those who have hurt her as "masters" and "teachers," expressing gratitude even to those who inflicted great pain. Given the offer to rewrite her painful story, she would not change a thing, as each suffering led her to the wisdom, strength, and fulfillment she carries now.
Sara Al Madani and Jay Shetty discuss how to approach modern dating with higher standards rooted in self-awareness, authenticity, and emotional health.
Al Madani underscores that if someone desires a successful, kind, or hardworking partner, they must embody those qualities themselves: "You cannot attract what you're not." She advocates that people should not date or marry until they've done "the inner work." Without healing, people attract partners who mirror their brokenness.
Shetty raises the distinction between wanting and needing a relationship. Al Madani explains that neediness introduces hidden agendas and unhealthy attachment, whereas "want" arises from abundance—a state of contentment and wholeness. When individuals are fulfilled alone, they form partnerships based on genuine connection, not dependency.
Al Madani warns that chemistry can be misleading because it is based on hormones and nervous system arousal, while compatibility, rooted in shared values, ethics, and vision of life, is a far more reliable foundation for lasting relationships. She uses the analogy: "Don't look for a firecracker, look for a fireplace." A firecracker burns out quickly, while a fireplace sustains and nurtures. She adds that chemistry is not a prerequisite and can develop over time; initial lack of chemistry shouldn't dismiss a potential match.
Al Madani's key deal-breaker is lack of openness from the start. She advocates for having straightforward conversations about intentions, life goals, and timelines on the first date. If a person avoids this, it reflects immaturity and unreadiness for a serious relationship. She lists further deal-breakers: lack of ambition, toxic masculinity, aggression, and narcissism. Where she once found mystery attractive, Al Madani now advocates for clarity, saying ambiguity is a red flag that signals misalignment and dishonesty.
Al Madani describes love-bombing as early, intense declarations of affection or grand gestures that manipulate judgments and spark false intimacy. She explains that truly healthy connections develop gradually, and fast, intense advances are a sign of someone performing, not building real rapport. She warns against "romanticizing potential"—believing someone will change or become better with time. This pattern leads to loving a version of the individual that does not exist, fueling false hope and disappointment. Authentic love comes from accepting someone as they are, not as who they might become.
Jay Shetty and Sara Al Madani examine the complexity of toxic relationships, especially those involving narcissistic individuals, the pain and familiarity of trauma bonds, and the spiritual and personal transformation required to leave and rebuild a life of self-worth.
Al Madani describes the defining feature of narcissism as the "dead eyes" that reflect a complete lack of empathy. She asserts that toxic people never change and their negative behaviors are persistent. Al Madani reflects that leaving one toxic relationship only led her to another with different faces but the same destructive patterns. She attributes this to trauma bonding, explaining that people gravitate toward the same harmful traits because familiarity—even if unhealthy—feels safe.
When toxicity becomes the norm, Al Madani recalls realizing that enduring such treatment was not what life should be. She emphasizes agency and personal choice: "No, Martha, you chose George who was toxic. He beat you up day one. You stayed. God has nothing to do with it." Recognizing the damage done to self-worth and time lost is essential for deciding to leave and begin healing.
Al Madani discusses how fear of judgment and cultural norms, such as the stigmatization of divorce, keep people trapped. She acknowledges that staying too long often boils down to a lack of self-love and an unworthiness to demand more. Shetty adds that it is not only ego, but also the pain of not feeling worthy of more, that causes people to accept abuse rather than confront criticism.
Al Madani's message is unequivocal: "You are deserving of a new story. You are deserving of rewriting your story. You are the captain of the ship." She acknowledges that reclaiming your freedom may upset others and require burning bridges, but insists that no external approval is needed—"the only signature you need is from yourself." She dares people to claim their worth and refuse crumbs, insisting everyone deserves flowers, respect, and affection as standards, not as things to beg for.
Sara Al Madani and Jay Shetty discuss the nature of spirituality, karma, and manifesting, emphasizing the importance of personal responsibility, intentionality, and a loving relationship with the divine.
Al Madani explains that fixing her relationship with God involved understanding that people have free will and should not blame God for negative outcomes. She stresses that God is loving, not punitive: "God is not angry, God is not waiting to punish anybody, God is full of love." Once you remove the doubts and punitive image of God and see His unconditional love, "it rubs on you, you have no choice but to start loving yourself because you are a fragment of Him." She asserts that understanding one's soul and treating the body as a sacred temple leads naturally to self-love and respect.
Al Madani explains karma as a self-regulating algorithm rather than a force of retribution: "You do good, you get good. You do bad, you get bad." She clarifies that karma operates according to timing, with consequences unfolding only when the conditions are right. Personal accountability is key; she believes, "I am the author of my karma. I cannot say, oh, why is this happening to me? I have to reflect on what I've done in the past."
Al Madani describes manifesting as the interplay of clear intention, strong belief, diligent work, and finally, surrendering outcomes to the universe or divine guidance. She emphasizes that embodying what you want, being clear about your intentions, acting confidently, and proving your worth through consistent actions attract desired outcomes. When opportunities are missed, Al Madani encourages interpreting them as redirection or protection meant for your highest good.
Sara Al Madani and Jay Shetty explore how love and successful relationships require conscious decisions, sustained effort, and a shift from controlling mindsets to embracing freedom and growth.
Al Madani asserts that love is fundamentally a decision, not a fleeting feeling. While emotions fluctuate, making the commitment to love someone means choosing to show up for them every day, regardless of personal mood or changing circumstances. She draws parallels between romantic love and unconditional love for a parent, noting that your fundamental love persists because of a lasting decision, not just emotion. Relationships rooted in deliberate decisions, rather than transient feelings, are more resilient over time.
Al Madani draws a strong analogy between relationships and business investments, stressing that daily effort is essential for both to remain healthy and thriving. She likens the process to baking bread fresh each morning; just as stale bread loses its value, relationships require continuous and intentional action to prevent stagnation. She observes that people often become complacent after reaching certain milestones, such as marriage or parenthood, and this decline in energy leads to dissatisfaction.
Al Madani emphasizes the necessity of doing inner work and establishing self-awareness before entering marriage. She advocates for clear communication of personal standards, timelines, intentions, and life goals early in a relationship. She urges couples to celebrate their differences rather than attempt to erase them, arguing that genuine growth comes from mutual acceptance and shared ambition. Shetty agrees that people can change, but they do so for themselves, not for others, cautioning that if change is motivated solely by a partner, it likely won't last.
Al Madani challenges the conventional view of love as a form of possession, arguing that genuine love grants freedom rather than seeking to own or control another person. She believes that setting a partner free to grow—even if that journey ultimately leads away from her—is the highest form of love. When relationships become overprotective or controlling, they often inspire resistance or rebellion. She and Shetty agree that the healthiest relationships are built on good judgment, sound decision-making, and trust, not on attachment or control.
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Sara Al Madani and Jay Shetty explore how inner work, self-love, forgiveness, and reframing pain serve as essential pillars for genuine healing, relationship satisfaction, and authentic living.
Sara Al Madani defines inner work as a process of peeling away the masks imposed by society, family, and cultural conditioning to rediscover one’s authentic self—the person you were before being told what and who to be. She describes each person as born with a “blueprint”—their name, religion, country, and values defined for them. Inner work is about stripping away these inherited scripts and asking, “Who am I beyond all this conditioning?” She emphasizes approaching this process with curiosity, questioning inherited beliefs rather than simply adopting them, and recognizing that many of our values come not from personal choice but inheritance.
Al Madani notes that personality is mostly created between ages zero to eight, making curiosity crucial for uncovering underlying unconscious patterns and childhood traumas. She urges people to go beyond surface-level healing by tracing dysfunctional relationship patterns and reactions to their roots in early childhood experiences. She ties this curiosity to her own life, recognizing that her preferences in partners seemed to change, but the underlying attraction to the same toxic traits remained until she deeply questioned her own patterns.
Al Madani and Shetty agree that true inner work starts when you stop blaming others and take personal responsibility—not blame—for your pain, suffering, and choices. This empowerment allows for real change, as what you can control is yourself, your beliefs, and your responses, not the actions of others. Al Madani explains that letting go of the ego and the need to appear acceptable to others (for example, fearing stigma around divorce) is essential in uncovering your authentic decisions and desires.
Al Madani illustrates that the path to inner work varies. For her, this included talk therapy, hypnotherapy, spiritual practices, meditation, and at times, plant medicine. She insists that commitment to healing matters more than which specific modality is chosen; each step forward creates space for more opportunities and resources to appear. She compares this journey to the way social media algorithms bring helpful resources once your intention is set. As an awakening coach, she emphasizes that the goal is to empower people to become their own healers, not to create dependency.
Al Madani reveals that self-love, or its absence, is at the heart of relationship patterns. Early wounds to self-worth—such as when her father unintentionally implied she would not succeed without a degree—fermented into lifelong feelings of being “not worthy.” These beliefs pushed her into choices made not from self-assurance but from a need to prove herself. She realized that simply changing partners did not change the outcomes; she kept attracting familiar kinds of toxicity because it was subconsciously comfortable: “better the devil I know than the angel I don’t know.”
She shows that lacking self-love leads people to tolerate toxic relationships, stay too long, or mistake fate for a pattern they themselves are authoring.
Al Madani insists that genuine self-love involves setting boundaries, communicating needs, prioritizing oneself, and maintaining authenticity and self-respect. She illustrates this with the metaphor of an empath without boundaries being like a house with no doors—unsafe and un-protective—whereas healthy boundaries are like having a door you can open to good and close to the bad. Self-love, she says, is about saying no, placing your own needs first, being honest even when uncomfortable, and acting as a leader in your own life.
Al Madani warns that people often mistake self-love for external indulgence—first-class travel, designer purchases, cosmetic procedures—but these do not fill the inner emptiness left by a lack of self-acceptance, boundaries, and respect.
She affirms that self-love is not permissiveness or indulgence; it requires honesty with oneself, upholding boundaries, and not explaining away your authenticity to fit others’ perceptions. True self-love is foundational: “You have to give that love to yourself before trading it and giving it to others. The reason why I was always broken is because I gave it to others before giving it to myself.”
Al Madani redefines forgiveness as not excusing or condoning harm, but forgiving oneself for having tolerated, permitted, or stayed in damaging situations. She admits struggling with forgiveness until she realized its real meaning: not saying what happened was acceptable, but releasing herself from self-blame for choosing to remain.
Forgiveness for Al ...
Inner Work & Self-Love: Healing, Boundaries, and Self-Worth as Foundations For Relationships and Satisfaction
Sara Al Madani and Jay Shetty discuss how to approach modern dating with higher standards rooted in self-awareness, authenticity, and emotional health. They emphasize that true connection requires both internal work and clear boundaries, challenging common misconceptions about attraction, chemistry, and red flags.
Sara Al Madani underscores the importance of self-reflection before entering a relationship. She insists that if someone desires a successful, kind, or hardworking partner, they must embody those qualities themselves: “You cannot attract what you’re not.” She believes people too often overlook the necessity of doing the personal work and simply hope for easy results, but life does not work that way. Jay Shetty agrees, noting from his own experience how our preferences evolve as we grow; we tend to date who we are or who we’re becoming. He also points out that change happens by example, not admonition, and that living according to one’s values is the most attractive quality one can display.
Al Madani shares her own journey, describing how unresolved trauma can quietly shape choices. Even if someone appears “good” on the surface, unhealed wounds can emerge as triggers and influence decisions in relationships. She advocates that people should not date or marry until they've done “the inner work.” Without healing, people attract partners who mirror their brokenness.
Jay Shetty raises the distinction between wanting and needing a relationship. Al Madani explains, “If I need you, that means I am operating from lack.” Neediness introduces hidden agendas and unhealthy attachment, whereas “want” arises from abundance—a state of contentment and wholeness. When individuals are fulfilled alone, they form partnerships based on genuine connection, not dependency. Shetty notes that from this foundation, people naturally set firmer standards and do not settle for less than they deserve.
Sara Al Madani warns that chemistry can be misleading because it is based on hormones and nervous system arousal. The “butterflies” often celebrated in movies are actually a sign of nervousness and sometimes even a red flag. She reminds listeners that compatibility, rooted in shared values, ethics, and vision of life, is a far more reliable foundation for lasting relationships.
Al Madani uses the analogy: “Don’t look for a firecracker, look for a fireplace.” A firecracker—immediate excitement—burns out quickly, while a fireplace—consistency and warmth—sustains and nurtures. Jay Shetty expands on this, noting that true love is about the comfort, peace, and presence someone brings, not just moments of thrill.
Al Madani adds that chemistry is not a prerequisite and can develop over time, as seen in movies where attraction grows as characters become more familiar. Initial lack of chemistry shouldn’t dismiss a potential match; instead, focus on alignment in character and life approach.
Sara Al Madani’s key deal-breaker is lack of openness from the start. She advocates for having straightforward conversations about intentions, life goals, and timelines on the first date. If a person avoids this, it reflects immaturity and unreadiness for a serious relationship.
Al Madani lists further deal-breakers: lack of ambition, toxic masculinity (manifested in showing off, raising one's voice, or treating others poorly), aggression, and narcissism. She says these traits can often be sensed early on through body language and gaze.
Dating Standards: Clarity, Compatibility, Chemistry, and Deal-Breakers
Jay Shetty and Sara Al Madani examine the complexity of toxic relationships, especially those involving narcissistic individuals, the pain and familiarity of trauma bonds, and the spiritual and personal transformation required to leave and rebuild a life of self-worth.
Sara Al Madani describes the defining feature of narcissism as the “dead eyes” that reflect a complete lack of empathy—a hollowness she likens to a non-player character (NPC) in a video game, existing merely as an obstacle in someone else’s growth. She says that narcissists are identifiable even by the shape of their eyes, noting how a certain emptiness or disproportion in the pupil’s size can be a telltale sign.
Toxic people, she asserts, never change. Their negative behaviors are persistent; “they’re shitty and they’re shitty all the time.” This consistency is paradoxically what reveals their true nature—while remaining with such individuals becomes a daily choice on the part of their partners. Al Madani reflects that in her own life, leaving one toxic relationship only led her to another with different faces but the same destructive patterns. She attributes this to trauma bonding, explaining that people gravitate toward the same harmful traits because familiarity—even if unhealthy—feels safe.
When toxicity becomes the norm—whether through physical, mental, or emotional abuse—Al Madani recalls the moment of awakening when she realized that enduring such treatment was not what life should be. Staying in these relationships leads to anger directed at oneself for tolerating the suffering and agreeing to stay. She emphasizes agency and personal choice: “No, Martha, you chose George who was toxic. He beat you up day one. You stayed. God has nothing to do with it. We tend to hang our mistakes on God and say, call it fate.” Recognizing the damage done to self-worth and time lost is essential for deciding to leave and begin healing.
Al Madani discusses how fear of judgment and cultural norms, such as the stigmatization of divorce in both Middle Eastern and Western societies, keep people trapped. The worry over what family, friends, or society will say—especially as women often bear the blame—can make the ego more of a hindrance than a protector. She acknowledges that staying too long often boils down to a lack of self-love and an unworthiness to demand more: “If I loved myself, if I respected myself, I would have never been in those marriages. I would have never been in these relationships.” Jay Shetty adds that it is not only ego, but also the pain of not feeling worthy of more, that causes people to accept abuse rather than confront criticism.
Al Madani frames the lowest points—“the basement of rock bottom”—as opportunities to meet the divine. She describes how suffering became a doorway to building a relationship with ...
Identifying Toxic Relationships: Recognizing Narcissism, Trauma Bonds, and the Courage to Leave
Sara Al Madani and Jay Shetty discuss the nature of spirituality, karma, and manifesting, emphasizing the importance of personal responsibility, intentionality, and a loving relationship with the divine.
Al Madani explains that fixing her relationship with God involved understanding that people have free will and should not blame God for the negative outcomes in their lives. She says, “No, Martha, you chose George who was toxic. He beat you up day one. You stayed. God has nothing to do with it. We tend to hang our mistakes on God and call it fate," emphasizing personal responsibility and choice. She further explains, “God can say, I give you free will, but I will do this. Free will, your choice, your decision, your life, everything.”
She stresses that God is loving, not punitive: “God is not angry, God is not waiting to punish anybody, God is full of love, we are all His children, there's no segregation between who we are, He sees us as one.” According to Al Madani, once you remove the doubts and punitive image of God and see His unconditional love, “it rubs on you, you have no choice but to start loving yourself because you are a fragment of Him.” She argues that “If you have an idea of the Creator, guess what? That idea imprints on everything in life.”
Embracing gratitude and ownership over your choices is essential: “I cannot blame God for everything bad that happens, but I should have gratitude for God for everything good that happens because without Him accepting and seeing how hard I'm working, I wouldn't have gotten that blessing.” Al Madani asserts, “It's not your destiny. You wrote this destiny. You chose this. You're the author. You're the participant.” In understanding one’s soul and treating the body as a sacred temple, she shares: “Build a door, protect yourself, protect what's in the house. If somebody enters that house, make them feel like they're safe.” She concludes, “you are a fragment of Him. And if you love Him, He is inside of you, your soul is a piece of Him, you have no choice but to start respecting and practicing self-love.”
Al Madani explains karma as a self-regulating algorithm rather than a force of retribution: “If I do wrong, karma will serve me as well. Understanding the game of the universe and how life works is also important… karma is the most fascinating one. Because there is no one sitting there just watching and pressing the button for karma. It's an algorithm. You do good, you get good. You do bad, you get bad.”
She further clarifies that karma operates according to timing, with consequences unfolding only when the “table is full”: “But you know how everyone says karma is a bee, right? I don't think karma is a bee. I think karma is very intricate. She's very smart. She's very eloquent. She knows when to come. And karma does not fold the sheet of the table when it's empty. It pulls it when the table is full. Sometimes it delays the response. It takes time.”
Personal accountability is key; Al Madani believes, “I am the author ...
Spirituality and Manifesting: Connecting With the Divine, Karma, and Personal Transformation
Sara Al Madani and Jay Shetty explore how love and successful relationships require conscious decisions, sustained effort, and a shift from controlling mindsets to embracing freedom and growth.
Sara Al Madani asserts that love is fundamentally a decision, not a fleeting feeling. She explains that while emotions fluctuate, making the commitment to love someone means choosing to show up for them every day, regardless of personal mood or changing circumstances. Citing the traditional marriage vow "in sickness and health, in richness and poverty," Al Madani emphasizes that the essence of true love lies in steadfast dedication, much like a CEO or business owner who must show up for work even on days when they lack motivation. Depending solely on emotions makes relationships unstable because feelings naturally ebb and flow. She draws parallels between romantic love and the unconditional love one feels for a parent, noting that even if you don’t feel like seeing your parent on a particular day, your fundamental love for them persists because of a lasting decision, not just emotion. Relationships rooted in deliberate decisions, rather than transient feelings, are more resilient over time.
Al Madani draws a strong analogy between relationships and business investments, stressing that daily effort is essential for both to remain healthy and thriving. She likens the process to baking bread fresh each morning; just as stale bread loses its value, relationships require continuous and intentional action to prevent stagnation. Al Madani observes that people often become complacent after reaching certain milestones, such as marriage or parenthood, and this decline in energy leads to dissatisfaction and complaints about the relationship’s decline. She asserts that the energy and diligence invested in one’s professional life should be mirrored in intimate relationships, as sustained effort—not sporadic attention—ensures their vitality.
Al Madani emphasizes the necessity of doing inner work and establishing self-awareness before entering marriage. She advocates for clear communication of personal standards, timelines, intentions, and life goals early in a relationship, framing standards as a reflection of one’s core values rather than mere preferences. If a relationship cannot meet those standards or is based on the hope of fundamentally changing one’s partner, she insists it is best to walk away and seek a better match. She urges couples to celebrate their differences rather than attempt to erase them, arguing that genuine growth comes from mutual acceptance and shared ambition to become the best versions of themselves. Al Madani maintains that it is not her responsibility to wait for someone else to change, especially if doing so means sacrificing her own dreams and timeline. Honest conversations about compatibility and direction save both partners time and emotional strain.
Jay Shetty agrees that people can change, but they do so for themselves, not for others. He cautions that if change is motivated solely by a partner, it likely won’t la ...
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