In this episode of The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast, Mark Manson and Drew Birnie explore the concept of purpose and its development through history. From Aristotle's idea of inherent purpose to Nietzsche's call for self-created meaning, they trace how philosophical understanding of purpose has evolved, while examining how different people find purpose in their work and daily lives.
The discussion also covers research on how having a strong sense of purpose affects physical and mental well-being. Manson and Birnie look at studies showing the connection between purpose and longevity, and discuss how purpose manifests differently across various life domains—from viewing work as a calling rather than just a job, to finding meaning through family relationships and community service.

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The concept of purpose has evolved significantly throughout history. Ancient philosophers, particularly Aristotle, introduced the concept of "telos" - an inherent purpose that every living thing must fulfill through virtuous living. Mark Manson explains that this framework suggested that deviating from one's natural inclinations was considered living unvirtuously.
During the Enlightenment, philosophers began challenging these predetermined notions of purpose. Descartes questioned whether natural occurrences alone could define purpose, while Spinoza suggested that people often rationalize their preferences as "true purpose" after the fact. Hume introduced the "is-ought" problem, arguing that moral imperatives cannot be derived solely from natural phenomena.
The conversation shifted dramatically with Nietzsche, who proclaimed "God is dead" and argued that individuals must create their own purpose. Kierkegaard emphasized the importance of making a complete "leap of faith" commitment to one's chosen purpose.
Mark Manson and Drew Birnie discuss how having a strong sense of purpose positively impacts both mental and physical well-being. Research shows that purpose contributes to longer lifespan and better health behaviors, while also enhancing cognitive function and memory. Birnie explains that this is linked to stronger connectivity between the brain's reward centers and future planning areas.
Viktor Frankl's observations from concentration camps, as referenced by Manson, suggest that those with a strong sense of purpose showed greater resilience in extreme adversity. This purpose-driven resilience extends to work performance, with studies showing increased creativity and engagement among those who find meaning in their work.
Purpose manifests differently in various aspects of life. In the workplace, people can view their work as either a job (focusing on utility), a career (emphasizing achievement), or a calling (finding intrinsic meaning). Manson and Birnie use the example of truck drivers and hospital janitors to illustrate how the same role can be viewed differently based on one's perspective of purpose.
Beyond work, purpose can be found in family relationships, community service, and personal interests. Birnie notes that becoming a parent often reshapes one's sense of purpose, while community service and creative pursuits can provide additional sources of meaning. The speakers emphasize that maintaining various sources of purpose, rather than focusing solely on one area, contributes to a more balanced and fulfilling life.
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The concept of purpose has been explored for millennia, traversing through philosophical doctrines from ancient Greeks to modern existentialists. The perspectives on the origins and nature of purpose varied significantly, presenting different frameworks for understanding one's role in life.
Ancient philosophies saw the concept of purpose, or "telos," as something predetermined and innate to every being.
Aristotle introduced the notion of "telos" as the ultimate aim or end of living creatures. He used the example of an acorn, aimed at growing into an oak tree, to illustrate that every living thing, including humans, is destined for a greater purpose achieved through virtuous living.
According to Mark Manson, Aristotle and the Stoics observed people's natural talents and interests. Aristotle's framework implied that deviating from one's natural proclivities is tantamount to living unvirtuously. Manson also posits that any purpose not centered on human well-being can lead to neglecting significant aspects of life.
The Stoics built upon Aristotelian ideas, advocating for a life lived in accord with one's true nature and in harmony with the universe. Eastern philosophies, such as Buddhism's concept of Dharma, also focus on uncovering or rediscovering one's true self through processes like meditation and mindfulness.
Enlightenment thinkers began to dissect the notion of predetermined purpose, criticizing its circular reasoning and laying the foundation for modern skepticism and individualism in understanding purpose.
Descartes and his contemporaries sparked the idea that natural occurrences alone cannot define purpose. They introduced critical thinking about the "telos" and suggested that looking inward could lead to more authentic determinations of purpose.
Manson discusses Spinoza's view that individuals often justify their actions and desires as "true purpose" retrospectively. Spinoza indicated that what people label as their calling may just reflect their preferences rather than any inherent purpose.
Hume further explored the distinction between facts and moral statements, introducing the "Is-ought" problem. He contended that moral imperatives cannot arise merely from natural phenomena or observations, bridging the gap between observed reality and ethical judgments.
Manson acknowledges Hume's ideology that all values are based on feelings and that one cannot derive purpose or morals solely from factual observations. Kant responded to Hume's challenge, but it was not until Nietzsche and the existentialists that a substantial shift in the concept of purpose occur ...
Philosophical and Historical Origins of Purpose
Mark Manson and Drew Birnie delve into the compelling impact of a strong sense of purpose on both mental and physiological well-being, underlining how purpose can affect health, cognitive function, work performance, and overall life satisfaction.
According to studies Manson discusses, having a clear sense of purpose can result in a longer lifespan. A strong sense of purpose often leads to healthier behaviors – for example, it can motivate people to get better sleep at night, which contributes to longevity. Manson relays a story about an individual who began to work out and eat right to see their grandkids grow up, emphasizing that purpose can inspire a desire to adopt healthy behaviors to ensure one's longevity.
Having a clear sense of purpose enhances cognitive functions, using examples such as improved executive functioning and memory. Manson points out that a clear sense of purpose can reduce cognitive load, facilitate more focused thinking, and help individuals set boundaries more effectively. Birnie elaborates by mentioning connectivity with the frontal cortex, associated with executive functioning, suggesting strong mental frameworks can reduce distractions and chaos.
Manson references Viktor Frankl’s observations during his time in concentration camps, suggesting that those with a strong sense of purpose were more likely to survive. Manson posits that purpose allows individuals to reframe struggles and suffering as worthwhile. Birnie adds that a strong sense of purpose strengthens the reappraisal loop, helping people to frame adversity in the context of their goals, thereby enhancing resilience.
Manson discusses how purpose can evoke higher work performance, creativity, and engagement, supporting this with survey data that indicates married men often experience a boost in career performance. Furthermore, Birnie's interactions at a podcaster event reflect increased engagement due to a shared sense of purpose, pointing toward the invigoration one feels when purposefully engaged in work.
Birnie explains that individuals with a clear sense of purpose tend to have stronger connectivity between the brain’s reward ...
Benefits of a Strong Sense of Purpose on Mind and Brain
Mark Manson and Drew Birnie explore the multifaceted nature of purpose, considering how it can be shaped by our careers, personal lives, and the broader community.
While the podcast doesn't explicitly cover the "job" orientation, Manson and Birnie discuss the various ways one can experience the same job. They mention truck drivers: one who might do the bare minimum versus another who finds joy and a greater purpose in the work. Similarly, a study about hospital janitorial staff shows that some attended to their tasks just for the paycheck, while others found purpose in the role by helping people stay healthy and engaging with patients.
Individuals with a career orientation view work as a ladder for growth, where the purpose is derived from achievements rather than the nature of the job itself. They enjoy growth and mastering new skills. According to Manson, some music school students sought more secure jobs like teaching, for the stability it provided rather than fulfilling a dream, reflecting a careerist perspective.
The third element of purpose, as Manson describes, involves feeling like one's contributions are making an impact on society or the world at large. He talks about how people, including himself, view certain purposes as a calling. This manifests in deeply identifying with their work and feeling that it serves a unique and useful role in the world. He notes that his work on mental health advice is not only his passion but also a core part of his identity, and he continues to contribute to this field despite personal sacrifices.
Birnie mentions that parenting or being a spouse can provide a strong sense of purpose. Both Birnie and Manson agree that having children shifts one's priorities, with children often becoming the centerpiece of a parent’s sense of purpose. Manson touches on the sacrifices parents make for their children and how some might feel that other aspects of their life lose purpose as a result. Birnie elaborates on the realization that he gets a lot of meaning from good relationships.
People look to community service and la ...
Different Types of Purpose and how They Manifest
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