In this episode of The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast, Ryan Holiday and Mark Manson explore the foundations and development of Stoicism, from its origins in ancient Greece to its integration into Roman culture. They discuss how the philosophy emerged during a period of political upheaval and examine the contributions of key figures like Zeno, Seneca, and Marcus Aurelius.
The discussion covers Stoicism's core principles, including the four cardinal virtues and the importance of focusing on what lies within one's control. Holiday and Manson also trace the philosophy's influence throughout Western history, from its impact on America's founding principles to its role in modern psychological approaches like cognitive-behavioral therapy, demonstrating how Stoic teachings continue to offer practical solutions for contemporary challenges.

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Stoicism emerged during a time of political upheaval following Alexander the Great's death. The philosophy's founder, Zeno, began as a Phoenician merchant who discovered philosophy after being shipwrecked in Athens. Ryan Holiday notes that after consulting the Oracle at Delphi and studying under various philosophers, Zeno established his school at the Stoa Poikile, from which Stoicism gets its name.
The philosophy gained traction amid the chaos of post-Alexandrian Greece, where traditional institutions were crumbling and foreign influences were rising. When Rome conquered Greece in 146 BC, Stoic philosophy demonstrated its adaptability by successfully integrating into Roman culture.
Several notable philosophers shaped Stoic thought. Cleanthes, Zeno's successor, championed voluntary hardship and simple living. Chrysippus systematized Stoicism through his prolific writing of over 700 works. Seneca, while serving as Nero's advisor, contributed valuable insights about mortality and managing emotions through his writings and practice of journaling. Epictetus, a former slave turned philosopher, emphasized the distinction between what is within one's control and what isn't, significantly influencing later Stoics like Marcus Aurelius.
According to Holiday and Manson, Stoicism is built on three foundational elements: logic, physics, and ethics. The philosophy emphasizes four cardinal virtues: courage, temperance, justice, and wisdom, which are cultivated through practices like negative visualization and amor fati (love of fate).
Central to Stoic teaching is the focus on what's within one's control. Holiday explains that while we can't control external events, we can control our responses to them. Drew Birnie reinforces this by emphasizing the importance of focusing on personal contributions within one's immediate environment.
Stoicism's influence extends throughout Western history, from ancient Greece to modern times. Holiday points out that Stoicism often gains popularity during societal crises, citing its impact on figures like George Washington and its integration into Christianity and American founding principles.
The philosophy's practical problem-solving orientation has proven particularly valuable in crisis situations, as demonstrated by James Stockdale's application of Stoic principles during his imprisonment in Vietnam. Modern psychological approaches, particularly cognitive-behavioral therapy, draw heavily from Stoic teachings, showing the philosophy's continued relevance in contemporary life.
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In examining the backstory of the Stoic philosophy, we explore Zeno's path from merchant to philosopher and how Stoicism emerged amid the political confusion following the death of Alexander the Great.
Zeno began his life as a Phoenician merchant, dealing in the expensive Tyrian purple dye. A catastrophic shipwreck led him to Athens, where he came across someone reading Socrates' story. The tale sparked his curiosity in philosophy; he started following Crates, a cynic philosopher, and embarked on a decade-long journey of exploration and learning. Ryan Holiday notes that during this period, Zeno visited the Oracle at Delphi and received the cryptic advice that wise conversations, particularly with philosophers who had passed like Socrates, which he later interpreted to be an encouragement towards reading, played a significant role in his intellectual development. Despite his extensive learning, virtually nothing survives of Zeno's writings, except titles recorded by Diogenes Laertes and scattered references.
With a practical take on philosophy as a toolkit, not an end in itself, Zeno established his school on Athens' Stoa Poikile, where he would often engage with his students. The Stoic name comes from this Porch (Stoa Poikile). Manson credits Zeno with promoting ideas of detachment and acting in accordance with nature and the cosmos' rational order. The school's location is described by observers as a commonplace, akin to a general store or university cafeteria, where open philosophical discussions were frequent.
After Alexander the Great's untimely demise in 323 BC, the resulting power vacuum plunged Greece into chaotic disarray. City-states previously accustomed to relative autonomy were now ensnared by larger foreign entities, and Greek society faced a surge of international influence. Merchants and returning soldiers brought back a mixture of new ideas and philosophies that led to a cultural ...
The Origins and Historical Context of Stoicism
The history of Stoic philosophy is marked by the contributions of several notable thinkers, each of whom brought unique perspectives and teachings to the school of thought.
After Zeno, the founder of Stoicism, it was Cleanthes who took over the Stoic school. A former manual laborer and boxer, he embodied the ethos of voluntary hardship and simple living, which became characteristic of Stoicism under his guidance. Rather than an intellectual, Cleanthes was a 'classic disciple,' focused on evangelizing and maintaining Stoicism's practical aspects. The decision to appoint him head of the school was significant due to his modest background. Ryan Holiday notes that compared to earlier Stoic philosophers, Roman Stoics like Cleanthes were more practical, managing the minutiae of empire governance.
While the specific details are not provided in the transcript, it is well-known in historical records that Chrysippus was a pivotal figure in Stoicism. He is known for his massive written output, which none have survived, however, it's acknowledged that he systematized Stoicism into a comprehensive philosophy. He advanced Stoicism by refining elements from other schools of thought and applied practical metaphors from his experience as a runner to illustrate Stoic principles. Additionally, he is credited with innovating propositional logic and addressing the issue of free will versus determinism.
Seneca, a Roman senator and Nero's advisor, is known for the moral quandaries he faced while navigating Nero's court. Facing accusations and exile, he was later reinstated as an advisor, which put him in morally ambiguous positions as he tried to mitigate Nero's destructive impulses. Seneca's scholarly output—composed under these circumstances—offers deep insights into mortality, coping with fear and passions, and finding tranquility. His practice of journaling and negative visualization offer valuable tools for personal reflection and managing emotions. His forced suicide under Nero’s command is seen as a testament to living in accordance with philosophical ideals, facing death with alignment to his Stoic be ...
Key Stoic Philosophers and Their Ideas
Mark Manson and Ryan Holiday embark on a comprehensive discussion to break down the core principles of Stoicism, examining its foundational framework and virtues, and delving into the Stoic ethos of focusing on what is within one's control.
Zeno of Citium, the founder of Stoicism, is noted for his tripartite framework which encompasses logic, physics, and ethics. This framework acts as the guiding structure of Stoic philosophy, with each component interlacing to form a comprehensive view of the world and one's place within it.
Ryan Holiday reflects on the Stoic's pursuit in the realm of physics as an endeavor to understand why we are here and how the world works. Although their specific beliefs in physics may now be considered outdated, their enthusiasm and intuitive sense of the universe remain commendable. Within the logic aspect, Holiday appreciates their deductive reasoning skills even if their educational logic might seem less relevant today. Most strikingly, Holiday finds their work in ethics—including the psychological aspects—both intuitive and profoundly wise, given the absence of experimental psychology during their time.
Stoicism is anchored in four cardinal virtues: courage, temperance, justice, and wisdom. These virtues are integral to achieving eudaimonia, or a flourishing life, and are cultivated through practices such as negative visualization and amor fati.
Courage, often the first virtue discussed, includes both moral and physical aspects. Holiday suggests that there cannot be an honorable life without risk and that true moral courage encompasses speaking truth to power, thinking independently, and even acting alone when necessary. He narrates the story of Agrippinus, who maintained his independence before Nero, exemplifying Stoic courage.
Temperance is approached as a multifaceted concept involving restraint, moderation, and self-control. Holiday sees temperance as essential to applying willpower aptly across various facets of life.
Justice in Stoicism is about treating others well, aligning with the Christian ethic to love thy neighbor and to act with honor and integrity. Holiday further notes the necessity of empathy and avoiding harsh judgments as facets of justice.
Lastly, wisdom is required to discern the relevant from the indifferent. It is essential for focusing on what can be controlled and for navigating life prudently.
Stoicism emphasizes embracing life's inevitable challenges through mental discipline and controlling one's response to external events.
Placing significant emphasis on individual agency, Holiday points out that Stoics believed one does not control the occurrences in life but rather how one responds to them. He captures the es ...
The Core Principles and Practices of Stoicism
Stoicism, an ancient philosophy, holds a significant place in Western history due to its enduring principles which guide thinkers, leaders, and the general populace through times of crisis. Its teachings on self-control, resilience, and wisdom continue to resonate in modern society.
Throughout Western history, Stoicism has been a guide to living a meaningful and virtuous life. Its influence has percolated through various historical periods, such as the Enlightenment and the American Civil War, offering wisdom on self-control in times of tumult. The life of Cato inspired generations, even when writing about Stoicism was outlawed by emperor Domitian due to its seen challenges to certain powers.
Ryan Holiday points out historical patterns where Stoicism becomes particularly popular during societal crises. The Stoic wisdom contained in the play "Cato" influenced many notable figures, including George Washington. Stoicism has been integrated into Christianity and the principles held by the founding fathers of the United States, manifesting in modern Western thought, like the serenity prayer, which shares the essence with Stoic, Christian, and Buddhist philosophies.
Holiday and Mark Manson discuss the timelessness and adaptability of Stoic thought, acknowledging its over 2000-year influence from ancient Greece to the Roman Empire. Stoicism's cultural adoption by the Romans and the Greek language's status in philosophy demonstrates the profound impact of Stoic thought. Influential Roman emperors, such as the first Emperor Augustus, were impacted by Stoic teachers, shaping their reigns and their philosophical approaches to governance.
The practical problem-solving orientation of Stoicism appeals during times of crisis. James Stockdale, a navy pilot, applied Stoic principles after being introduced to Epictetus, and these teachings helped him navigate the extreme challenges of capture and torture during the Vietnam War. Marcus Aurelius practiced Stoic principles such as self-control and resilience even with unparalleled power.
Holiday’s mention of Marcus Aurelius's "view from above" highlights how the Stoics practiced mental discipline to maintain perspective. Figures like George Washington were influenced by classical ideas including Stoicism, which is telling of its foundational role in shaping historical leadership.
Psychotherapy advances, particularly cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT), are indebted to Stoic philosophy's parallels, which have aided therapists like Aaron Beck and Albert Ellis in their practical efficacy in treating patients. These psychological frameworks adhere to Stoic ideas about the importance of processing interpretations rather than understanding desires and motives. The hosts suggest that Stoicism, due to its emphasis on virtues, provides individuals and societies with beneficial guidance in facing adversity.
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The Lasting Influence and Legacy of Stoicism
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