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#352 ‒ Female fertility: optimizing reproductive health, diagnosing and treating infertility and PCOS, and understanding the IVF process | Paula Amato, M.D.

By Peter Attia, MD

In this episode of The Peter Attia Drive, Dr. Paula Amato and Peter Attia examine the biology of female fertility and the complexities of infertility diagnosis and treatment. They explore how women's fertility changes with age, detailing the natural decline in egg quantity and quality, and discuss how various factors—from sexually transmitted infections to lifestyle choices—can affect reproductive health.

The conversation covers modern approaches to infertility treatment, from medication-based solutions to assisted reproductive technologies like IUI and IVF. Amato and Attia explain how conditions such as PCOS can impact fertility, and they discuss emerging technologies in reproductive medicine, including genetic testing of embryos and potential future developments in fertility preservation. The episode provides context for understanding both common fertility challenges and the medical interventions available to address them.

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Female Fertility and Menstrual Cycle Biology

Peter Attia and Paula Amato discuss the fundamental aspects of female fertility. Women are born with approximately two million eggs, which decrease to about 400,000 by puberty. Unlike men who continuously produce sperm, women have a finite number of eggs that decline in both quantity and quality over time. Each month, hormones stimulate multiple eggs to mature, though typically only one is released during ovulation. As women age, meiosis errors become more common, potentially leading to chromosomal abnormalities that can result in conditions like Down syndrome or cause miscarriages.

Infertility Diagnosis and Evaluation

According to Amato, proper infertility evaluation requires examining both partners through comprehensive medical histories, physical exams, and specific tests. For women, this includes checking menstrual regularity and ovulation; for men, analyzing sperm quality. She emphasizes that sexually transmitted infections, particularly gonorrhea and chlamydia, can cause permanent fertility issues by scarring fallopian tubes. This damage often goes unnoticed until couples attempt conception.

Infertility Treatment Options

Amato explains that treatment options range from medication-based approaches to more advanced procedures. For conditions like PCOS, medications such as [restricted term] can help induce ovulation. Intrauterine insemination (IUI) proves effective for unexplained or mild male factor infertility, with success rates varying significantly by age. In vitro fertilization (IVF), costing around $20,000 per cycle, becomes necessary for severe fertility issues or when other treatments fail.

Impact of Age and Lifestyle Factors on Fertility

Age emerges as the most crucial factor in fertility, with women over 35 experiencing significantly lower conception chances per cycle. Amato and Attia discuss how lifestyle factors, including diet, exercise, stress, and sleep, can impact fertility. They note that conditions like PCOS, often linked to [restricted term] resistance, can disrupt ovulation but typically respond well to treatment.

Genetic Testing and Emerging Reproductive Technologies

The discussion explores how genetic testing has revolutionized IVF success rates by enabling the selection of chromosomally normal embryos. Amato describes promising future technologies, including mitochondrial replacement and in vitro gametogenesis, which could potentially overcome age-related fertility decline, though these approaches are still years away from practical application.

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  • Meiosis errors are mistakes that can occur during the cell division process that produces eggs or sperm. These errors can lead to chromosomal abnormalities, which are changes in the number or structure of chromosomes. Chromosomal abnormalities can result in conditions like Down syndrome or increase the risk of miscarriages.
  • Intrauterine insemination (IUI) is a fertility treatment where sperm is directly placed into the uterus during ovulation to increase the chances of fertilization. It is commonly used for unexplained infertility or mild male factor infertility. The success rates of IUI can vary significantly depending on factors like age and the underlying cause of infertility. IUI is a less invasive and less expensive option compared to in vitro fertilization (IVF).
  • PCOS (Polycystic Ovary Syndrome) is a common hormonal disorder in women of reproductive age, characterized by irregular periods, high levels of male hormones (androgens), and cysts in the ovaries. [restricted term] is a medication that can help induce ovulation in women with PCOS by inhibiting estrogen production and promoting the release of eggs during the menstrual cycle. This treatment is often used to assist women with PCOS in achieving pregnancy by regulating ovulation and improving fertility outcomes. [restricted term] is considered a first-line treatment for ovulation induction in women with PCOS due to its effectiveness and relatively low risk of multiple pregnancies.
  • Genetic testing in IVF involves screening embryos for chromosomal abnormalities before implantation. This screening helps identify embryos with the correct number of chromosomes, increasing the chances of a successful pregnancy. By selecting chromosomally normal embryos, genetic testing can improve the success rates of IVF procedures. This technology has significantly enhanced the efficiency and outcomes of in vitro fertilization treatments.
  • Mitochondrial replacement involves transferring the nucleus of an egg or embryo into a donor egg or embryo with healthy mitochondria to prevent the transmission of mitochondrial diseases. In vitro gametogenesis (IVG) is a technique aimed at creating sperm or egg cells from induced pluripotent stem cells in the laboratory, potentially offering new options for fertility treatment. These technologies hold promise for addressing age-related fertility decline and genetic disorders, but they are still in the experimental stage and not widely available for clinical use. The development and ethical considerations surrounding these techniques are areas of ongoing research and debate in the field of reproductive medicine.

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Female Fertility and Menstrual Cycle Biology

Understanding the biology of female fertility and the menstrual cycle is essential, as it not only impacts conception but also the overall health of women.

Ovaries Have Limited Eggs That Decline Over a Lifetime

Women's ovaries contain a finite number of eggs that decrease in both quantity and quality over their lifetime—an important distinction from men who produce sperm continuously.

Women Are Born With Millions of Eggs; About 400,000 Remain At Puberty

Women are born with about two million eggs. However, by the time they reach puberty, this number diminishes to approximately 400,000. Peter Attia and Paula Amato discuss ovarian follicles, indicating their size and the number of follicles that can be present, such as 10 to 15 in an average unstimulated ovary—comparing its size to a plum and to a grapefruit when stimulated.

Menstrual Hormones Stimulate Egg Growth, Typically Releasing One

Each month, a group of eggs within the ovaries starts to mature due to the stimulation by the pituitary hormones—follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH). While a cohort of eggs begins to develop, only one usually becomes the dominant egg and is released during ovulation. The selection of the released egg is somewhat random, influenced by hormonal factors.

Meiosis Errors Lead To Chromosomal Abnormalities

As women age, the quality of eggs decreases due to meiosis errors which can lead to chromosomal abnormalities. These erro ...

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Female Fertility and Menstrual Cycle Biology

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  • Meiosis errors in the context of female fertility occur when mistakes happen during the cell division process that produces eggs. These errors can lead to chromosomal abnormalities in the eggs, affecting their quality and potentially impacting fertility and the health of offspring. Conditions like Trisomy 21, or Down syndrome, can result from such chromosomal abnormalities in the eggs. As women age, the likelihood of meiosis errors increases, which can contribute to difficulties in conception and an increased risk of miscarriages or birth defects.
  • Pituitary hormones, such as FSH and LH, play a crucial role in the menstrual cycle by stimulating the growth and development of eggs within the ovaries. FSH initiates the growth of ovarian follicles, each containing an immature egg, while LH triggers the final maturation and release of the dominant egg during ovulation. These hormones work together to regulate the complex process of egg development and release, essential for fertility and reproductive health.
  • The comparison of ovarian follicle sizes to fruits like plum and grapefruit is used to help visualize the relative dimensions of these structures. Ovarian follicles are small sacs within the ovaries that contai ...

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Infertility Diagnosis and Evaluation

The podcast addresses the intricacies of infertility, guiding listeners on how to begin a workup and underlining the need to evaluate both partners.

Evaluate Both Partners For Infertility Causes

Infertility issues may arise from either partner, so it's crucial to investigate both.

Medical History, Physical Exam, Semen, and Ovulation Analysis Can Pinpoint Fertility Issues

Paula Amato underscores the importance of comprehensively understanding both partners' medical history, encompassing medical, reproductive, psychosocial, sexual narratives, and lifestyle factors. For the female partner, regularity of menstrual cycles and ovulation is crucial. In males, sexual performance is observed, and components such as sperm concentration, motility, and morphology are analyzed through semen analysis. Screening can involve blood testing, semen evaluation, and ultrasound to estimate the quantity of eggs in women.

STIs Like Gonorrhea and Chlamydia Can Cause Infertility By Damaging Fallopian Tubes

Amato brings to light that infections can lead to scarring in the fallopian tubes, impeding the merging of egg and sperm, resulting in infertility. She reveals that sexually transmitted infections, specifically gonorrhea and chlamydia, can ascend to the fallopian tubes, triggering scarring. If infections are detected early, antibiotics can successfully treat them, but delayed, unrecognized, or untreated infections may escalate, causing fertility issues. Gonorrhea and chlamydia symptoms may include pelvic pain and fever. Scarring from such infections usually remains unnoticed until attempts to conceive begin.

A procedure known as a hysterosalpingogram (HSG) is employed to check if fallopian tubes are unobstructed. It consists of injecting dye into the cervix and taking x-rays to view the uterus and fallopian tubes. Amato elucidates that scarri ...

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Infertility Diagnosis and Evaluation

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  • A hysterosalpingogram (HSG) is a diagnostic procedure used to assess the condition of a woman's fallopian tubes and uterus. During an HSG, a contrast dye is injected into the cervix, which then flows through the uterus and fallopian tubes. X-ray images are taken to visualize the internal structures and identify any blockages or abnormalities that may be affecting fertility. This procedure helps doctors evaluate the patency of the fallopian tubes and detect issues like scarring, blockages, or other structural problems that could contribute to infertility. It is a common test performed to investigate the causes of infertility in women.
  • Scarring in the fallopian tubes can occur due to infections like gonorrhea and chlamydia or surgeries such as pelvic surgeries. This scarring can lead to blockages in the fallopian tubes, hindering the egg's journey to meet the sperm, which can result in infertility. Infections like gonorrhea and chlamydia can cause scarring by damaging the delicate tissues of the fallopian tubes. Surgeries in the pelvic area, like those following a ruptured appendix, can also lead to scarring in the fallopian tubes, affecting fertility.
  • Advanced treatments for unexplained infertility typically involve assisted reproductive technologie ...

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Infertility Treatment Options (Ovulation Induction, IUI, IVF)

Paula Amato and Peter Attia discuss various treatments for infertility, their approaches, costs, and potential hurdles that can arise during treatment.

Medications Like [restricted term] Induce Ovulation in PCOS

Amato delves into the process of ovulation induction, particularly for patients with PCOS, using medications like [restricted term]. [restricted term] is taken for five days during the menstrual cycle, with ovulation assessed through ultrasound. [restricted term] is an aromatase inhibitor that blocks the conversion of androgens to estrogen, which triggers the pituitary gland to release FSH and LH, leading to egg growth stimulation. Despite the potential for not understanding the management of PCOS, especially in terms of fertility treatment, well-equipped fertility clinics with reproductive endocrinologists offer the necessary monitoring services to confirm ovulation. The initial approach might include three cycles of an unnamed treatment, that if unsuccessful, will lead to using higher doses or different medications such as [restricted term] before moving on to gonadotropins or FSH to stimulate the follicles.

IUI: Effective for Unexplained or Mild Male Factor Infertility

IUI is suggested for single women, same-sex female couples, cases of unexplained infertility, or when there is a male factor such as a lower sperm count or motility. The processed sperm sample is placed directly into the uterus at the time of ovulation. IUI can be suitable when the sperm count is slightly low, but some other treatments are ineffective, such as in cases of severe male factor infertility. The chances of pregnancy through IUI vary significantly with age, from 20-25% in women in their 20s to only 1-5% in women over 40.

IVF Is Necessary After Unsuccessful Treatments or Severe Fertility Issues

IVF becomes the next step if other treatments have been unsuccessful or in cases of severe fertility issues, such as completely scarred fallopian tubes, obstruction in the fallopian tubes, or very severe male factor infertility. IVF involves several steps beginning with stimulating the ovaries with medications like FSH to produce multiple eggs. Next, eggs are retrieved and fertilized in the lab, with a success rate of roughly 7 ...

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Infertility Treatment Options (Ovulation Induction, IUI, IVF)

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  • While [restricted term] is effective for inducing ovulation in PCOS patients, it may not work for everyone, and some patients may experience side effects or have contraindications for its use.
  • The success rates of IUI can vary widely, and while it is less invasive and less expensive than IVF, it may not be the most cost-effective option in the long term if multiple cycles are required.
  • IVF, while having higher success rates than other treatments, is still not guaranteed, and the emotional and financial burden of unsuccessful cycles can be significant.
  • The 70% fertilization rate for IVF mentioned may not reflect the actual live birth rate, which is typically lower and varies significantly with the patient's age and other factors.
  • The cost of IVF can be prohibitive for many couples, and not all will have access to the necessary financial resources or insurance coverage to afford it.
  • Egg freezing as a method to extend fertility is not a guarantee of future pregnancy, and there are risks and ethical considerations involved in the process.
  • The number of cycles a clinic performs annuall ...

Actionables

  • You can create a personal fertility profile by tracking your menstrual cycle and symptoms to better understand your ovulation patterns. Use a fertility tracking app or a simple calendar to note down cycle length, any symptoms of ovulation, and how you feel each day. This data can be invaluable when discussing treatment options with a fertility specialist.
  • Consider setting up a dedicated savings account for potential fertility treatments if you're planning to start a family. Research the costs of various fertility treatments and start contributing a fixed amount monthly. This proactive financial planning can alleviate some stress when deciding on treatments like IUI or IVF.
  • If you're exploring fertility ...

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Impact of Age and Lifestyle Factors on Fertility

Paula Amato and Peter Attia discuss the complexities of fertility, with a primary focus on how age and lifestyle factors such as diet, exercise, stress, and sleep affect the ability to conceive, and how conditions like polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) contribute to infertility.

Age Most Important Factor in Fertility due to Declining Egg Quality

Age is the most significant factor influencing fertility, primarily due to the declining quality of eggs as women age.

Women 35+ Have a Lower Conception Chance per Cycle Than Younger Women

As women age, particularly after 35, the chance of conception per cycle decreases. Despite ovulating, older women may release eggs with chromosomal abnormalities, which are less likely to fertilize or lead to a healthy pregnancy. Paula Amato explains that women over 35 should be tested for fertility issues after six months of trying to conceive, rather than a year, due to the lower conception chances with increasing age. She also notes the practical issues that arise from women waiting later in life to start families, contributing to increased rates of infertility.

Lifestyle Factors Impacting Fertility: Diet, Exercise, Stress, Sleep, and Age

Lifestyle factors exacerbate infertility; thus, maintaining a health-promoting lifestyle may align with fertility-promoting choices. Diet is critical, with the Mediterranean diet being noted for its fertility benefits. However, excessive exercise can lead to REDS (Relative Energy Deficiency in Sport), affecting menstruation and, by extension, fertility. Healthy weight management and addressing menstrual irregularities early are crucial for fertility. Stress management techniques like meditation and adequate sleep also contribute positively to fertility.

Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS) Disrupts Ovulation, Contributing To Infertility

PCOS, often linked to [restricted term] resistance, can disrupt ovulation.

Pcos, Linked To [restricted term] Resistance, Affects Fertility

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  • While age is a significant factor, it's not the only determinant of fertility; genetic factors and reproductive health history also play crucial roles.
  • Some studies suggest that while fertility does decline with age, the extent of this decline can vary significantly among individuals.
  • Lifestyle factors do impact fertility, but the degree to which they do can be overstated; underlying medical conditions can be more influential than lifestyle in some cases.
  • Not all women over 35 experience a significant decrease in fertility; there is considerable individual variation.
  • While PCOS is a common cause of infertility, it's important to recognize that not all women with PCOS will have difficulty conceiving.
  • [restricted term] is helpful for some women with PCOS, but it may not be effective or appropriate for all, and other treatments may be more suitable depending on individual circumstances.
  • The role of diet in fertility is complex, and while certain diets like the Mediterranean diet are associated with improved fertility, they are not a panacea and must be tailored to individual nutritional needs and health conditions.
  • Exercis ...

Actionables

  • You can track your menstrual cycle using a fertility app to better understand your fertility patterns, especially if you're over 35. By inputting daily information about your body temperature, menstrual cycle length, and any symptoms you experience, you'll gain insights into your ovulation and fertile windows, which can be less predictable as you age. This data can help you plan for conception or discuss your fertility health with a professional.
  • Create a "fertility-friendly" meal plan that incorporates foods known to support reproductive health. Focus on a balanced diet rich in antioxidants, healthy fats, and whole grains, which can positively influence egg quality and overall fertility. For example, you might include walnuts for omega-3 fatty acids, berries for antioxidants, and quinoa for a complete protein source.
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Genetic Testing and Emerging Reproductive Technologies

In recent discussions, the focus has been on how genetic testing and new reproductive technologies are transforming fertility treatments and potentially overcoming age-related fertility declines.

IVF Embryo Testing for Chromosomal Normalcy Selection

Testing Improves IVF Success By Addressing Chromosomal Abnormalities Causing Failure

The use of pre-implantation genetic testing in IVF highlights a significant advancement in fertility treatments. Paula Amato discusses this, implying the role of genetic testing in selecting chromosomally normal embryos. She notes that while her clinic does perform a lot of genetic testing, each patient should thoroughly discuss the pros and cons before proceeding, and the cost of IVF, estimated at $20,000 per cycle, typically includes genetic testing.

During IVF, an embryo is observed from the zygote stage and is later evaluated for genetic testing with the intent of ensuring chromosomal normalcy. The advent of genetic testing has meant that embryos with the best chance of success are selected based on more than morphology—good genetic testing results take precedence over good morphology if there is a conflict. This approach can significantly increase IVF success rates, although it doesn’t guarantee implantation for all chromosomally normal embryos.

Embryo selection has evolved from morphology to genetic testing. Genetic tests primarily look for aneuploidy and other specific genetic mutations. Embryos with poor morphology are generally not subjected to further stages. Genetic testing is standard in IVF, involving a biopsy of a few cells and vitrification, a freezing method that maintains embryo viability. Results from these specialized tests are frequently used to identify aneuploidy and inform embryo selection.

Emerging Technologies Like Mitochondrial Replacement and in Vitro Gametogenesis Offer Promising Fertility Options

As technology advances, next-generation reproductive options such as mitochondrial replacement and in vitro gametogenesis enter the discussion. Paula Amato mentions in vitro gametogenesis as promising but notes its complexity due to meiosis. This process, which is still likely 10-20 years away from application in humans, involves creating eggs and sperm from skin cells—an option for indiv ...

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  • Pre-implantation genetic testing in IVF involves analyzing embryos for genetic abnormalities before implantation to select those with the best chance of success. This testing helps identify chromosomal abnormalities and specific genetic mutations in embryos created through in vitro fertilization. It aims to improve IVF success rates by selecting chromosomally normal embryos for transfer. The process typically includes a biopsy of a few cells from the embryo for genetic analysis.
  • Aneuploidy is a genetic condition characterized by an abnormal number of chromosomes in a cell, which can lead to developmental issues or health problems. It often results from errors during cell division, where chromosomes fail to separate correctly. A common example is Down syndrome, caused by an extra copy of chromosome 21. Aneuploidy can impact fertility and is a significant factor in miscarriages and certain genetic disorders.
  • Vitrification is a process used in fertility treatments where embryos are rapidly cooled to form a glass-like solid state, preserving them for future use in procedures like in vitro fertilization (IVF). This method helps maintain the viability of embryos by preventing ice crystal formation, which can damage the cells during freezing and thawing. Vitrification is a standard technique in IVF to store embryos for later transfer, increasing the chances of successful pregnancies for individuals undergoing fertility treatments. It involves freezing embryos in a way that minimizes damage and maximizes the likelihood of a successful pregnancy when the embryos are later thawed and implanted.
  • Mitochondrial replacement therapy (MRT) involves replacing mitochondria in cells to prevent or address mitochondrial diseases. It ca ...

Counterarguments

  • The high cost of IVF with genetic testing may not be accessible to all, leading to socioeconomic disparities in who can benefit from these advancements.
  • Genetic testing and embryo selection raise ethical concerns about the potential for eugenics and the societal implications of selecting for certain traits.
  • The prioritization of genetic testing results over morphology could lead to the discarding of embryos that might have developed into healthy babies, as genetic testing is not infallible.
  • The long-term effects and safety of mitochondrial replacement therapy are not fully understood, and there may be unforeseen genetic complications.
  • The legality and ethical considerations surrounding mitochondrial replacement may vary by country, reflecting differing cultural and moral perspectives on reproductive technologies.
  • In vitro gametogenesis, while promising, is still experimental and may face significant technical and ethical hurdles before it becomes a viable option for human use.
  • The use of rapamycin to extend fertility could have side effects or health implications that are not yet fully understood.
  • There is ...

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