In this episode of The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast, Vanessa Van Edwards joins Peterson to discuss the role of nonverbal communication in social interactions. They explore how body language elements like posture, eye contact, and hand gestures affect the way people perceive and respond to us, while examining the delicate balance between projecting warmth and demonstrating competence in social situations.
The conversation covers common signs of social anxiety and provides practical strategies for more effective communication. Van Edwards and Peterson share specific techniques for improving social interactions, from the mechanics of proper handshakes to the use of open-ended questions in conversation. They explain how understanding and implementing these nonverbal communication principles can help people navigate social situations with greater confidence.
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In a discussion between Jordan Peterson and Vanessa Van Edwards, the experts explore how nonverbal communication shapes our social interactions. Van Edwards explains that effective communication relies heavily on posture, distance, and eye contact. She emphasizes that proper body alignment and maintaining 60-70% eye contact during conversations can significantly improve engagement and respect.
The experts highlight several key principles: maintaining an open posture by avoiding crossed arms, respecting personal space through appropriate physical distance, and using controlled hand gestures to enhance verbal communication. Peterson notes that upright posture and relaxed body language are crucial for projecting confidence.
Van Edwards describes how balancing warmth and competence is essential for building trust and credibility. She suggests that warm cues like genuine smiling and open body language create positive first impressions, while precision and organized communication demonstrate expertise. However, Peterson and Van Edwards warn that too much emphasis on either quality can backfire—excessive warmth might suggest incompetence, while pure competence without warmth can appear cold and unapproachable.
The conversation turns to common signs of social anxiety, with Van Edwards identifying a "trifecta of awkwardness" including hunched posture, fidgeting, and up-speak (ending sentences with an upward inflection). To overcome these challenges, she shares her personal approach of studying nonverbal behavior and preparing conversation starters. Both experts emphasize the importance of viewing social interactions as opportunities rather than sources of anxiety.
Van Edwards and Peterson provide practical advice for enhancing charismatic communication. They discuss the mechanics of proper handshakes (firm but not too tight, like gripping a peach) and the importance of matching others' energy and tempo. Van Edwards recommends using open-ended questions to create engaging conversations, while Peterson emphasizes the value of maintaining eye contact and speaking without notes to demonstrate subject mastery. Both experts agree that developing an authentic communication style is crucial for effective interaction.
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Understanding nonverbal communication is essential in our daily interactions as it significantly affects perception and interpersonal relationships. Experts Jordan Peterson and Vanessa Van Edwards delve into this topic, highlighting how posture, distance, and eye contact all play vital roles in social dynamics.
It's been noted that technical professionals, such as engineers, often lack knowledge of basic social cues like eye contact, which can hinder their social interactions. Peterson emphasizes the necessity of eye contact in engaging an audience and checking their reception of the message.
Edwards highlights the importance of the angles at which people interact, with the brain preferring parallel lines as an indication of engagement. She points out that our posture, including the distance between our ears and shoulders, can project confidence or fear. She also notes how critical eye contact is in creating a connection, which is significant for a speaker's stage presence. Peterson remarks on Edwards' attentiveness to eye contact, influencing the perception of her engagement in discussions.
Several nonverbal communication principles are highlighted as key to successful interactions and the projection of confidence and openness.
Alignment, such as mirroring someone’s cues, displays engagement and is seen as a form of nonverbal respect. It involves synchronizing verbal, vocal, and nonverbal cues with another person, similar to how we dress up for interviews to meet others on common ground. Fronting, making sure your body or camera is in line with the person you're engaging with, is a simple cue that can be used to denote comfort and respect.
Edwards stresses that avoiding crossed arms signals comfort and openness. Showing space between the torso and arm, for example, indicates one isn't trying to block or protect the torso, which is a sign of feeling safe rather than discomfort.
The concept of proxemics plays an essential role in signaling intimacy, with four basic distances: public, social, personal, and intimate. Close talkers, those who speak less than 18 inches from someone's face, violate social etiquette by entering the intimate zone without consent, often causing discomfort.
Understanding certain body language cues can help project confidence, enhance communication, and mainta ...
Nonverbal Communication and Body Language Cues
In social interactions, finding a delicate balance between warmth and competence is pivotal for establishing trust and credibility.
Vanessa Van Edwards and Jordan Peterson detail how social cues contribute to the perception of warmth and competence.
Van Edwards explains that on stage, to build trust quickly, one should aim to make eye contact with audience members. Visible hands during greeting suggest openness and trustworthiness. Expressing genuine happiness, such as verbalizing excitement about being present, can also convey warmth. Eye contact physiologically produces a feeling of warmth and signals genuineness and engagement.
In demonstrating competence, Van Edwards emphasizes using visuals during presentations to reduce the audience's cognitive load, showing organization and clarity in communication. Hand gestures can increase understanding and hence the perception of expertise. A person who is highly competent speaks clearly, does not rely on notes or waste movement, and their focused action indicates clarity and precision of thought.
Missteps can occur when there is an imbalance between displaying warmth and competence.
Excessive warmth might be mistaken for a lack of competence, and cues such as using appeasement signals in a negotiation could lead others to question one's competence. High warmth can lead to being seen as more accessible and less serious, which might result in frequent interruptions.
Competence that lacks warmth can come off as cold or intimidating. Van Edwards suggests avoiding nonverbal cues that might indicate coldness, such as touching the face or disengaging from proximity. Charismatic people, to prevent being perceived solely as competent and cold, should also focus on being likable.
Recognizing the context and audience is critical when choosing how to balance warmth a ...
Warmth Versus Competence in Social Interactions
Jordan Peterson and Vanessa Van Edwards delve into the behaviors associated with social anxiety and offer strategies for developing social skills and fostering a confident, positive mindset.
Van Edwards discusses a "trifecta of awkwardness" in first impressions, including a hunched posture or "turtling," which shortens vocal power and can make someone sound nervous. Both Van Edwards and Peterson discuss up-speak (ending sentences with an upward inflection as if asking a question), which can communicate submissiveness or nervousness and signal to others to scrutinize rather than listen.
Van Edwards recognized in her own past behavior signs of trying too hard to be liked, such as excessive nodding and smiling, which can stem from a lack of social awareness. Peterson and Van Edwards both speak to patterns of immaturity in social situations, like immature strategies that signal submissiveness, including a prey posture and excessive smiling.
Van Edwards underscores the importance of improving nonverbal communication, such as body posture and vocal inflections. She also explains how she dialed back excessive nodding and gesturing to improve her nonverbal cues. Peterson and Van Edwards agree that being conscious of these cues is crucial for developing effective social skills.
Vanessa Van Edwards took an educational approach to overcoming her social awkwardness by studying nonverbal behavior and memorizing flashcards with conversation starters to help alleviate anxiety about initiating conversations.
Overcoming Social Awkwardness and Anxiety
Vanessa Van Edwards and Jordan Peterson provide insights into how one can improve charismatic communication by mastering first impressions, effectively structuring conversations, and developing a personal communication style.
It's critical to manage the initial interactions with others, as they set the tone for ongoing relationships.
According to Peterson, a handshake should be firm, like gripping a 10-pound object, and match the grip of the person you’re shaking hands with. Edwards suggests offering the handshake with a vertical palm, thumb toward the sky to avoid submissive or dominance gestures. Use a firm grip that is not too tight—like squeezing a peach—and if it’s a first meeting, three pumps will suffice; one may be enough for subsequent engagements. For those comfortable with hugging, approach with two open palms but be prepared to pivot to a handshake if the other person shows discomfort. She emphasizes being assertive with your greeting to make a clear first impression, even if someone else may wish to match you.
Van Edwards talks about mirroring, particularly during salary negotiations; she describes how matching the interviewer’s energy can positively affect the outcome. Peterson details how aligning physiological tendencies, like matching the tempo of someone else's speech or handshake, gives off a sense of connection and mutual attentiveness.
Skillfully crafted dialogues can lead to more engaging and memorable interactions.
Edwards advocates asking open-ended questions that break away from the typical conversation script. These questions should elicit positive responses and allow you to exhibit your warmth and competence when reciprocated.
Combining verbal articulation with nonverbal expressions can greatly enhance communication clarity. Edwards recommends using purposeful gestures and leaning in to convey engagement and competence. Peterson adds that making constant eye contact and not relying on notes when speaking can show command of the subject matter.
Authenticity is at the core of a personal communication style that resonates with others.
Strategies For Improving Charismatic Communication
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