In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe Rogan sits down with UFC bantamweight champion Aljamain Sterling to discuss the technical and business sides of mixed martial arts. The conversation covers advanced fighting techniques—from grappling control and submission mechanics to striking biomechanics and strategic footwork—alongside analysis of what separates elite fighters from the rest. Sterling shares insights from his own career evolution, including his transition to featherweight and his approach to training and competition.
Beyond technique, Rogan and Sterling address the controversial practice of weight cutting and its health risks, advocating for same-day weigh-ins and additional weight classes. They also discuss the UFC's compensation structure, judging inconsistencies, and the politics surrounding title shot decisions. Sterling talks about his business ventures, including his rum company, and reflects on his personal philosophy and experiences both inside and outside the octagon.

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Joe Rogan and Aljamain Sterling dissect the technical nuances that separate elite fighters from the rest, focusing on grappling, striking biomechanics, and strategic preparation.
Rogan and Sterling break down the head-and-arm choke, emphasizing that placing a knee on the opponent's sternum while maintaining the choke creates multi-directional pressure that prevents escape. Rogan calls this "the impaler," noting it's most effective before the opponent can turn onto their side. Sterling adds that traditional defenses like grabbing the leg become ineffective against this sternum pressure.
The discussion extends to back control, where Sterling describes elite grapplers as "backpacks" that become nearly impossible to shake off once locked in. Both emphasize that maintaining dominant position requires constant adjustment in response to the opponent's movements.
Rogan explains that maximal power in a turning sidekick comes from channeling energy in a straight line rather than circular motion. He contrasts his method with spinning roundhouse kicks, stating that driving the kick directly through the target with full hip engagement produces what he calls "hospital-grade impact."
On punching power, both acknowledge natural advantages like fist size and reach—seen in fighters like Deontay Wilder and Thomas Hearns—but emphasize that proper technique, torque, and full-body alignment truly generate knockout force.
Sterling discusses how lateral movement and cutting off the cage help rangy fighters leverage their reach advantages. He cites fighters like Ian Garry and Cyril Gane, who use sophisticated footwork to avoid absorbing damage while controlling the fight's geography.
Beyond positioning, Sterling explains that feints mentally and physically fatigue opponents by constantly challenging their nervous system. Over time, this overwhelms defensive reflexes and forces opponents to misjudge threats, creating scoring opportunities.
Sterling emphasizes fundamental priorities in grappling: defending chokes supersedes all other escape attempts. In training, he advocates "guided discovery"—focused sparring with specific objectives that drill defensive responses until they become instinctual.
The conversation touches on how some dominant heavyweights remain "wildcards" because early finishes leave their stamina untested. Sterling contrasts routine training with championship preparation, where each session has a specific mission tailored to simulate fight conditions.
Rogan and Sterling address weight cutting as one of combat sports' most dangerous practices, discussing the health risks and potential reforms.
Sterling describes cutting from his natural 160s-170s down to 135 pounds, a process requiring months of dieting and dehydration that strips water from muscles and organs. Rogan notes that casual fans don't understand fighters aren't just losing fat—they're depleting their bodies to dangerous levels. Sterling observes the dramatic difference in his endurance between training at natural weight and competing after severe cuts, particularly in championship rounds.
Both advocate for same-day weigh-ins, like those used at the amateur level, which would practically limit cuts to five pounds or less since fighters wouldn't have time to rehydrate. Sterling suggests a four-hour window between weigh-in and competition, forcing athletes to fight near their natural weight. He notes that under this system, he'd compete at 155 or 170 pounds instead of undergoing extreme cuts.
Rogan and Sterling point to boxing's model of weight classes every few pounds as superior to the UFC's large gaps—especially the 15-pound jump from 155 to 170 and 20-pound jump from 185 to 205. Rogan advocates for ten-pound increments throughout, which would minimize incentives for drastic weight loss. They also argue heavyweight should have no upper cap, similar to wrestling, allowing the biggest fighters to compete at their true weight.
The discussion turns critical regarding the UFC's compensation structure and its impact on fighter security and sport integrity.
Rogan strongly objects to tying significant fighter pay to win bonuses decided by judges. He argues that leaving financial security up to subjective and sometimes flawed judging is inherently unfair. Both agree that elite fighters always compete at their best regardless of bonuses, so the system only adds needless financial unpredictability. Rogan emphasizes that unless judging were perfect—which it isn't—no justification exists for tying career-altering financial stakes to such a flawed system.
Sterling and Rogan highlight how many media figures provoke fighters with inflammatory questions about sensitive topics like fighter pay, often seeking controversy rather than legitimate discussion. Sterling notes that whenever he discusses fighter pay, scrutiny increases.
On title shots, Sterling points to instances like Diego Lopez receiving an opportunity over more deserving contenders like Movsar Evloev as examples of promotional decisions undermining sport integrity. He argues these politically-motivated choices affect fighter opportunities and career trajectories.
At 37, Sterling has found renewed success at featherweight. His natural weight of 168-172 pounds makes the cut to 145 less stressful than his previous 135-pound cuts. Sterling notes his body responds more positively, and he feels healthier and smarter than ever. Rogan calls a potential featherweight title win "the Cinderella ending" for Sterling's career.
Sterling's back control and submission defense rank among the sport's best. He credits his teaching philosophy—showing partners advanced defensive techniques—with forcing his own evolution. As training partners improved, Sterling had to develop new tactics and adapt to their increasing resistance, keeping him at the top of the grappling hierarchy.
Sterling faces scheduling complications as he seeks a featherweight title shot. Most potential opponents are booked, and the most logical challenger, Lerone Murphy, is injured. Sterling would prefer fighting for the title next and is willing to wait for the opportunity.
Sterling's knockout loss to Marlon Moraes raised concerns about his future, but he returned just four months later despite medical advice to wait longer. He adjusted his training to reduce head trauma, focusing on grappling, and his subsequent performance demonstrated his resilience and ability to overcome adversity.
Sterling co-founded Funk Harbor Rum, sourcing authentic Jamaican rum from Worthy Park Distilleries. He's hands-on with every aspect—branding, labeling, and direct investment—insisting on 100% Jamaican sourcing. The company has doubled revenue year-over-year and offers community participation through apps and crowdfunding opportunities.
Sterling approaches his ventures with honesty and social responsibility, often speaking candidly about fighter pay despite resulting controversies. His travels through Eastern Europe—particularly Serbia, Albania, and Kosovo—exposed him to regional tensions and historical conflicts, reinforcing his appreciation for American freedoms and opportunities.
Sterling is an avid chess player, inspired by "The Queen's Gambit" during COVID-19, achieving an Elo rating between 1,350 and 1,420. He splits time between Las Vegas and New York, training at Cube Gym where he also mentors younger athletes alongside his partner Movsar and Coach Mateus Nakashi.
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Joe Rogan and Aljamain Sterling break down details of the head-and-arm choke, emphasizing the advanced finishing mechanics that distinguish elite grapplers. Rogan notes that placing the knee on the opponent’s sternum while maintaining the head-and-arm squeeze creates a multi-directional crushing effect. This knee pressure prevents the bottom fighter from escaping since it flattens them out and eliminates their ability to turn, thereby overwhelming defense tactics like grabbing the leg or looping over. Sterling adds that the effectiveness diminishes if the opponent manages to turn onto their side, making the ideal time for this adjustment before they get perpendicular to the mat. Rogan refers to this sternum-crushing finish as “the impaler,” highlighting its nastiness when combined with proper choke mechanics.
Both analysts praise high-level back control, citing specific moments where an attacker seamlessly transitions and maintains dominant position. Rogan admires fighters who exploit opportunities, such as pretending to stand to force defensive reactions and then capitalizing with immediate attacks, keeping the opponent in a perpetual state of vulnerability. Sterling notes elite grappling is marked by adjustments in response to the opponent’s movements, so the attacker is “a backpack” that’s nearly impossible to shake off once locked in. The ability to secure a figure four on the body and threaten chokes while neutralizing defensive grips is emphasized as the highest level of positional control.
Sterling describes the classic defense against the head-and-arm choke: grabbing the attacker’s leg and looping over. However, with sternum pressure from the top, this defense is less effective. He recounts personal experience struggling to finish high-level opponents in this position, reinforcing the need for precise application of pressure and positioning.
Joe Rogan explains that generating maximal power with a turning sidekick comes from channeling energy in a straight line. Most people throw spinning kicks in a circular motion, which does generate force, but true power is achieved by turning and driving the kick directly through the target with full hip and core engagement. Rogan contrasts spinning roundhouse and sidekicks, stating his method—“a turning sidekick”—produces hospital-grade impact. Targeting this straight path maximizes transfer of force, as seen in knockout highlights by fighters like John Jones against Stipe Miocic or his own past competition footage.
Discussing punching power, Rogan and Sterling acknowledge natural edge in fighters with large hands and long reach—attributes seen in top punchers like Deontay Wilder and Thomas Hearns. However, they emphasize that proper technique, torque, and full-body alignment are what truly generate knockout force. Rogan likens the biomechanical difference to arm-punching versus structured, full-body punches: when a punch lands clean at the end of a straight line with optimal leverage, as with Hearns or Wilder, it’s nearly unabsorbable.
Sterling discusses the critical role of lateral movement—pivot steps, side steps, and cutting off the cage—in helping rangy fighters leverage their reach while avoiding exchanges in the pocket. He cites Ian Gary’s movement and range control, especially against shorter or more compact opponents who struggle to find openings. Fighters who can feint, juke, and continually readjust outside the opponent’s striking lane make themselves difficult targets and can set the pace and geography of the fight.
Elite heavyweights like Cyril Gane exemplify this approach, as Rogan notes he often fights bigger punchers without absorbing damage due to his “giant man plyometrics” and evasive movement. Such fighters almost never get hit flush, showing that sophisticated footwork translates directly to longevity and dominance.
Sterling explains that feints not only open tactical opportunities but also mentally and physically fatigue the opponent by constantly challenging their nervous system. Over time, feints wear down defensive reflexes, forcing the opponent to commit early or misjudge true threats, leading to more scoring openings as the fight progresses. Rogan adds that the ability to overwhelm with movement, unpredictability, and stance switches separates world-class strikers from merely good ones ...
Mma Fighting Technique and Fight Analysis
Weight cutting remains one of the most dangerous and controversial aspects of combat sports. Joe Rogan and Aljamain Sterling discuss the serious health risks, competitive imbalance, and possible reforms aimed at making fighting safer and more fair.
Joe Rogan and Aljamain Sterling highlight the extreme lengths fighters go to in order to make weight. Sterling describes how, despite his natural walking weight being in the high 160s or low 170s, he has cut down to 135 pounds in stages, requiring months of careful dieting and dehydration. Rogan points out the general misunderstanding among casual fans, explaining that fighters aren’t just losing fat; they’re stripping their bodies of water, draining muscles and organs to dangerously low levels. Sterling agrees, sharing how the process damages performance, especially at the championship rounds when depleted fighters run out of energy. He observes a big difference in his endurance between training at his natural weight and competing after a severe cut.
Sterling also mentions that while using intravenous (IV) rehydration used to be a practice, its ban made little difference for him, and he doesn’t feel a significant performance boost from IVs. Instead, he believes slow, gradual weight loss is far healthier but not always feasible, especially with quick fight turnarounds. Severe dehydration, Rogan notes, is the "worst part about fighting," leaving fighters diminished at the moment they're supposed to be at their best.
Sterling draws a sharp contrast between the energy and resilience he feels at higher weight classes, like 145 pounds, versus the depletion he experiences after cutting to 135. At his more natural weight, he has more durability, cardio, and overall health, whereas at the lower weight, he struggles in the later rounds and must conserve energy, which often affects fight quality.
Rogan and Sterling discuss how current day-before weigh-ins enable fighters to recover from major cuts and enter the cage much heavier than their division’s official limit. Sterling argues that enforcing same-day weigh-ins, much like at the amateur level, would practically limit how much weight fighters could safely cut—typically five pounds or less—since there’s no time to rehydrate.
Sterling suggests giving fighters a four-hour window between weigh-in and competition to eat and prepare, which would force athletes to fight at or near their natural weight. Rogan agrees, arguing this would naturally weed out those attempting to lose 20 pounds in a day for a competitive advantage; they would quickly learn the risks outweigh the rewards.
Sterling says that, under same-day weigh-ins, he’d be forced to fight at 155 or possibly 170 pounds—divisions closer to his natural walk-around weight—instead of undergoing extreme and unhealthy cuts. He notes 165 pounds would be an ideal division where fighters of similar size and fitness could compete at full strength, leading to better performance and health.
Both Rogan and Sterling agree that another key reason fighters attempt extreme weight cuts is the large gap between UFC weight classes, especially the 15-pound jump from 155 to 170 and the 20-pound jump from 185 to 205. Boxing, they point out, uses far more divisions with increments as small as three to seven pounds, minimizing the incentive for drastic weight loss.
Rogan advocates for the UFC and MMA in general to ...
Weight Cutting and Fighter Health/Safety
The UFC's business model, particularly how it handles fighter compensation, attracts ongoing criticism from athletes, commentators, and fans alike. Issues such as performance bonuses, the role of judging, fan/media treatment of athletes, and the fairness of title shot distribution raise questions about both the financial stability of fighters and the integrity of the sport.
Joe Rogan strongly objects to the UFC’s structure that ties a significant portion of a fighter’s pay to “win bonuses” decided by judges. He points out the inherent unfairness of leaving a fighter’s financial security—and by extension, their ability to provide for their families—up to the subjective and sometimes flawed verdicts of judges. Rogan asserts that fighters are already competing at their highest possible level; their effort is not driven by the mere presence of a win bonus. Instead, the system introduces needless unpredictability, making fighters’ futures dependent on decisions that judges sometimes get “100% wrong.”
Rogan and Aljamain Sterling agree that, at the elite level, fighters never hold back and always strive to win, regardless of bonus incentives. Sterling shares that, while exceptionally large bonuses like at UFC 300 can generate excitement and extra motivation, actual fight dynamics—such as a cautious or clinch-heavy opponent—can dictate outcomes regardless of personal drive. Ultimately, performance bonuses do not change the fact that fighters risk their health and careers each time they step into the Octagon, with their compensation tied to unpredictable and inconsistent judging.
Rogan argues that unless judging were perfect—which it often is not—no reasonable justification exists for tying career- and life-altering financial stakes to such a flawed system. He gives the example of highly anticipated but lackluster fights, such as Francis Ngannou vs. Derrick Lewis, where mutual caution resulted in a widely panned contest despite both men’s reputations as knockout artists. These outcomes are often the product of competing skill sets rather than a lack of effort or desire for bonuses. Moreover, the presence of subjective and sometimes controversial judging decisions only compounds the risk and unpredictability for fighters.
Sterling and Rogan further emphasize that fighters already face enormous health risks and career instability; adding unreliable bonus-based pay deepens that insecurity. Rogan reiterates that “you’re giving too much of their career…to the whims of people that sometimes get it wrong 100%.”
Both Sterling and Rogan highlight that legitimate criticism exists in fighting, but it should be delivered respectfully. Instead, many fans and media figures provoke fighters with inflammatory or clickbait questions—especially about sensitive issues like fighter pay—often to stir controversy or gain attention. Sterling notes that whenever he discusses fighter pay, scrutiny increases, whereas more outspoken individuals like Sean Strickland sometimes face less backlash despite being more controversial. Both men describe how antagonistic criticism can become deeply personal or disrespectful, with fans provoking fighters online or in media simply to ge ...
UFC Business Model and Fighter Compensation
Aljamain Sterling, now 37, has found new life competing in the 145-pound class. He notes that his natural weight while fighting at 145 pounds hovers around 168 to 172 pounds, which makes the cut less stressful than competing at 135 pounds. Sterling explains that he eats the same way but feels significantly lighter, largely due to diminished anxiety surrounding weight cutting. He observes that his body reacts more positively and healthily to the cut, stating, “Your body didn’t hold onto it as much…your body kind of just recognizes what’s happening. You’re like, oh, this is a nicer weight cut. Yeah, you’re healthy now.” Both Sterling and Joe Rogan agree that this move has made Sterling not just healthier, but also smarter and more experienced as a fighter. Rogan points out that it’s remarkable for Sterling to have a world championship opportunity at 37, calling a potential title win at featherweight “the Cinderella ending” for his career.
Sterling himself reflects on his evolution, feeling that he is “better and smarter than I’ve ever been before,” citing his experiences and fights as evidence that he now performs at a world championship level at 145 pounds. With less weight-related stress and improved cardio, Sterling feels he’s a more dangerous contender despite his age.
Sterling’s skill as a grappler has set him apart in mixed martial arts. His takedown and control abilities have allowed him to submit even highly skilled grapplers, such as Cory Sandhagen. Sterling attributes this success to his willingness to teach his partners advanced defensive techniques, explaining that this philosophy forced him to evolve further. As his training partners improved, Sterling had to develop new tactics and rework his approach to maintain his dominance, adapting to their increasing resistance and ability to read his movements.
He describes the nuances of this progression: “When I do this, I can’t just get an easy takedown...He’s now challenging me…breaking my posture...How do I readjust, post my hand, get height again, attacking the legs, taking them back the other way or coming through the middle...There’s just so many little nuances.” This constant push for adaptation keeps Sterling at the top of the grappling hierarchy, making his back control and submission defense among the sport’s best.
As the former 135-pound champion seeking a title shot in a healthier weight class, Sterling’s path is presently complicated by the scheduling and availability of other contenders. He points out that most potential opponents are already booked, and LaRone Murphy—whom Sterling considers the most logical challenger—is sidelined with an injury. “Everyone’s got to fight. LaRone’s the only guy who would make the most sense in my opinion. But like I said, I heard he was hurt.”
Shelving other names like Pico, who is now matched with Zalao, and Vallejo’s, Sterling observes that there aren’t many compelling options for a non ...
Aljamain Sterling's Career Path and Title Shot Prospects
Aljamain Sterling is deeply involved with Funk Harbor Rum, a passion project and growing business he co-founded to connect his heritage and entrepreneurship. Sterling ensures the rum is genuinely Jamaican, sourcing it from Worthy Park Distilleries. He personally visits these distilleries, learning the process and maintaining authenticity—insisting the rum be 100% Jamaican to avoid misleading branding. His commitment extends beyond sourcing; Sterling is hands-on with every aspect of the company, including branding, labeling, and directly investing his own money. He takes pride in operating Funk Harbor as his actual company, not merely as a celebrity endorsement.
Funk Harbor's production includes rum aged two to five years under the tropical sun, with blends made from both pot still and column still Jamaican rums. The company has grown quickly, doubling its revenue year-over-year since launching. Sterling leverages his network to seek distribution expansion, especially in major markets like California. Connections with restaurant groups—such as King's Seafood—have opened doors in the hospitality sector, often arising serendipitously through fans or businesspeople who discover the brand through interviews or social media. Sterling is proud to include the public in the Funk Harbor journey, offering a community app (joinfunkharbor.com), online sales (funkharborrum.com or funkharborspears.com), and crowdfunding opportunities for supporters who want to participate in the business’s growth and benefit from its “perks.”
Sterling approaches his ventures and public persona with honesty and a commitment to social responsibility, principles that guide his stance both as an athlete and as a business owner. He has been candid—sometimes controversially so—about fighter pay and company management, notably expressing complex opinions about UFC policies and the structure of athlete compensation. Sterling often navigates the resulting controversies with openness, focusing on constructive dialogue even when facing pushback.
He frequently contrasts his experience in the United States with the realities faced in other countries. Sterling values the freedoms and opportunities present in America, especially after traveling abroad and witnessing firsthand the restricted liberties and social challenges elsewhere. He acknowledges that while America is not perfect, the ability to pursue diverse opportunities is unique and something for which he feels immense gratitude.
Sterling’s travels through Eastern Europe—visiting places like Serbia, Albania, Kosovo, and Georgia—gave him direct encounters with the long-standing social and political tensions of the region. He recounts being present during incidents revealing underlying hostilities, such as an episode in Serbia where a local threatened to use a grenade because of an Albanian friend’s heritage. He describes the region’s atmosphere as marked by recent wars, land disputes, and deep-seated resentments that often surface even during ordinary interactions, sometime ...
Aljamain's Business Ventures and Personal Life
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