In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, neuroscientist Julia Mossbridge discusses her research into precognition, telepathy, and consciousness. She presents experimental evidence showing that humans exhibit physiological responses before random events occur, and shares observations of non-speaking autistic individuals who demonstrate telepathic abilities in controlled settings. Mossbridge proposes that psychic phenomena operate through an informational substrate underlying physical reality that consciousness can access.
The conversation explores quantum physics and time, examining how particles exhibit non-locality across both space and time. Mossbridge also addresses the academic suppression of parapsychological research and recounts disturbing patterns within government gifted programs suggesting experimentation on children without consent. The episode examines the intersection of consciousness studies, quantum mechanics, and the institutional barriers facing researchers who investigate unconventional phenomena.

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Julia Mossbridge, a neuroscientist trained in computer science, investigates precognition through experiments measuring physiological responses. Her work at Northwestern reveals that participants' skin conductance spikes before random events occur, suggesting anticipatory knowledge. She finds striking gender differences: men show stronger physiological responses before correct guesses, possibly due to cultural conditioning around winning, while women's responses remain consistently lower. After analyzing 26 studies spanning 40 years, Mossbridge confirms these anticipatory responses consistently exceed chance, pointing to genuine precognitive phenomena.
Working with non-speaking autistic individuals who communicate via letter boards, Mossbridge observes remarkable telepathic and precognitive abilities. In rigorously controlled trials with physical separation between participants, non-speakers relay information they couldn't have obtained through conventional means. Examples include students independently arranging double dates without communication, a participant referencing a "beach ball slam" strategy discussed elsewhere, and accurate remote viewing of video content across states. Some non-speakers demonstrate knowledge of archaic words and historical facts, claiming communication with people from past centuries. Mossbridge notes they sometimes cannot distinguish between information from living and deceased individuals, suggesting consciousness transcends physical existence.
Despite mounting evidence, parapsychological research faces systematic suppression. Mossbridge reports her peer-reviewed papers are sometimes excluded from academic databases, and the field carries significant stigma that threatens researchers' careers.
Mossbridge proposes a theoretical framework where psychic phenomena operate through an "informational substrate" underlying physical reality—a field containing all information across time that consciousness can access. She suggests this substrate enables remote viewing and telepathy not through conventional signals but through direct mind-to-mind access, with consciousness serving as the interface.
Extending the double-slit experiment, Mossbridge demonstrates that quantum particles exhibit non-locality not just in space but also in time. Her experiments show that by analyzing detection patterns from the first 30 seconds, she can predict whether light will remain on longer—suggesting quantum systems access information about future decisions. A UC Berkeley physicist independently confirmed these results. Mossbridge argues this retrocausality indicates time doesn't flow strictly forward; present events can be influenced by future outcomes in a loop rather than linear progression.
Mossbridge explores how photons, as massless bosons, may bridge physical reality and consciousness. The observer effect in the double-slit experiment—where observation changes outcomes—reveals a deep connection between mind and matter. She suggests consciousness is not merely an emergent property of neural networks but a pervasive aspect of the universe, potentially mediated by photons.
Critiquing mainstream quantum computing's focus on supercooled, isolated particles, Mossbridge points to photosynthesis as evidence that quantum coherence occurs naturally at room temperature without expensive error-correction systems. She advocates for quantum computing that leverages room-temperature photon properties and temporal non-locality, harnessing their ability to "communicate" with the future through retrocausality.
Mossbridge references research on singing mice to illustrate that the difference between speaking and non-speaking individuals is minimal, not a matter of intellectual deficiency. Non-speaking autistics communicate sophisticated ideas through electronic letterboards, demonstrating advanced vocabulary, abstract reasoning, and actively contributing to experiment design.
Discussing neuroscience findings, Mossbridge explains that stroke patients with left orbital frontal lesions show enhanced psychic abilities, a result replicated using transcranial magnetic stimulation. She proposes that non-speakers' decreased left-hemisphere speech activation may allow greater access to non-local information. Referencing filter theory, she suggests language normally filters overwhelming universal information, while non-speakers access broader informational streams.
Despite their abilities, non-speaking autistics face cultural prejudice and low expectations. Mossbridge emphasizes that non-speakers perceive negativity directed at them, which creates barriers. She demonstrates that genuine positivity from researchers produces measurable positive impacts, validating the importance of treating non-speakers as collaborative partners.
Mossbridge describes how academic culture pressures researchers to avoid unconventional topics. She was advised to remove psychic research from her resume for career viability, forcing a choice between personal integrity and occupational survival. This environment creates severe institutional consequences, with active researchers risking stigmatization and stalled careers in cult-like dynamics that punish deviation from accepted doctrines.
Both Mossbridge and Joe Rogan stress that cultural polarization operates forcefully within science and academia, not just politics. Mossbridge observes that insecurity drives people's need to prove superiority rather than remain curious, while ideological orthodoxy demands public allegiance to prescribed beliefs. Rogan notes that podcasts have democratized access to unconventional subjects, counteracting institutional gatekeeping by enabling open conversations.
Mossbridge asserts that true scientific inquiry requires curiosity and embracing not-knowing, even at the risk of appearing foolish. Both she and Rogan agree that intellectual discussions thrive on genuine curiosity rather than enforcing orthodoxy, arguing that open-mindedness would accelerate scientific discovery and foster a more collaborative culture.
Mossbridge recounts troubling patterns within gifted programs suggesting selected children underwent government experimentation without consent. She and other SOAR program participants report consistent memory gaps: they recall walking to counseling sessions, dreading the events, but experiencing complete blackouts regarding what occurred inside. A recurring detail involves being given a chalky pink drink before these episodes of amnesia, which Mossbridge speculates may have been an amnesiac or radioactive substance.
The first SOAR program originated near South Carolina's Savannah River nuclear facility, with similar reports from Nevada and other nuclear-related sites. This clustering suggests possible connections to radiation research. Mossbridge observes that participants almost universally had parents employed by public schools or federal government, with her own family involved in Department of Energy work and uranium mining. She theorizes this intergenerational exposure made certain families particularly interesting to researchers studying mutation or radiation effects.
Mossbridge assesses these programs aimed to identify and enhance cognitive, leadership, creative, and psychic abilities, echoing Cold War-era government interest in parapsychological research. However, she emphasizes the profound ethical violations: experiments were conducted without parental consent, involving memory manipulation and forced substance ingestion. While many report amnesia, some survivors recall severe abuse instead, and notably, children from executive families in D.C. didn't report similar treatment, suggesting systematic targeting based on vulnerability.
Mossbridge maintains an approach grounded in forgiveness and understanding while insisting on ethical boundaries. She acknowledges experimenters may have believed they served national security interests but stresses such beliefs don't justify secret research on children. Through her work at Applied Love Labs, she now helps victims heal from trauma while advocating for honest recognition of past wrongs and legal frameworks to protect research subjects.
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Julia Mossbridge, trained in neuroscience and computer science, becomes fascinated with how the human brain anticipates future events—precognition—beyond conventional understanding. During her postdoctoral work at Northwestern funded by the Bial Foundation, Mossbridge conducts experiments examining whether people physiologically sense future outcomes. She uses closed-circuit TV, measures skin conductance (sweat response), and tests for rapid, involuntary signals just before a participant responds to a random psychic task. She consistently finds that these physiological signals spike right before the actual event or response, indicating a form of precognition or pre-sentiment.
Her studies reveal a striking gender difference: men, before correctly guessing an outcome in a random guessing game, often show skin conductance spikes as if anticipating a reward; these responses are absent or minimal before incorrect guesses. Women’s physiological responses are lower overall, regardless of outcome. Mossbridge speculates that culture, with its emphasis on winning for men (reflected in rates of gambling addiction), could drive this effect, though she leaves room for biological influences.
To establish rigor, Mossbridge analyzes 26 studies, spanning 40 years, investigating if physiological changes can predict random future events. The consistency of results across these studies, all showing anticipatory responses greater than chance, suggests a genuine precognitive phenomenon.
Mossbridge collaborates closely with teams working with non-speaking autistic individuals who communicate via letter boards or keyboards. She observes that many of these non-speakers report being distracted by psychic impressions—referencing spirits in the room or reporting on others’ activities they couldn’t have witnessed, claiming telepathic knowing.
In rigorous telepathy trials, Mossbridge ensures the “sender” of the information is separated by distance and closed doors from the autistic “receiver.” Despite this, non-speakers relay information they could not obtain through normal means. For example, two non-speaking students, without any verbal or parental contact, independently express their desire to go on a double date with each other's acquaintances, relaying information known only to those involved.
Telepathy trials yield remarkable results. In one case, the researchers discuss using a "beach ball slam" to help focus and access the correct timeline in the telepathy experiment. Only one student hears this; later, another non-speaker, with no way of knowing about the beach ball idea, suggests it independently, suggesting shared psychic access. Across trials, non-speakers also repeatedly describe psychically meeting on a hill—a motif that recurs without researcher prompting, consistent across participants, indicating a shared telepathic experience.
Several instances show psychic knowledge of precise and otherwise inaccessible details:
Non-speakers sometimes cannot distinguish between information gained from living people and deceased ones, indicating their psychic impressions span timelines and transcend death. Mossbridge recounts a non-speaking student relaying information about his mother two years after the student himself had died, suggesting consciousness and communication channels that are not restricted to physical existence.
Despite mounting experimental support, parapsychological research faces systemic suppression and erasure. Mossbridge notes her peer-reviewed papers are sometimes excluded from major academic ...
Psychic Phenomena and Parapsychological Research
Julia Mossbridge describes the classic double-slit experiment: when a photon or electron is sent through two closely spaced slits with a detector at the end, even if particles are fired one at a time, an interference pattern appears. This demonstrates that each particle seems to interfere with itself, reflecting non-local behavior in space. Mossbridge extends this idea, proposing these quantum particles might also exhibit non-locality in time. She suggests photons may not just travel forward, but could interfere with future versions of themselves, accessing information from the future to determine their present behavior.
In experiments Mossbridge designed, the duration the light remains on (and thus the number of future photons available for interference) is determined randomly. By analyzing only the detection patterns from the experiment’s first 30 seconds, Mossbridge found it possible to predict whether the light would remain on or be shut off for the extended period. This suggests quantum systems can access information about future decision points, a phenomenon Mossbridge replicated in multiple studies. A physicist at UC Berkeley independently repeated the experiment and confirmed the results, supporting the notion that photons “tell on themselves” based on their potential future interactions.
This retrocausality indicates that time in quantum systems does not flow strictly forward. Instead, present events can be influenced by future outcomes, forming a loop rather than a linear progression. Mossbridge connects this with precognition and remote viewing, arguing that both consciousness and quantum systems can access information from multiple points in time, not just progress forward sequentially.
Mossbridge explores the fundamental nature of photons, noting they are massless bosons capable of occupying the same space simultaneously—a property unlike fermions such as protons or electrons, which cannot. She speculates that photons may be the interface between physical reality and consciousness, interacting in a dimension less physical than conventional matter. This aligns with the concept that photons, free from mass and classical spatial constraints, might bridge the mind and the material universe.
Further, she discusses how the double-slit experiment demonstrates that observation—in this case, human or conscious awareness—directly changes the experimental outcome. When a detector is placed at the slits to determine which slit a photon passes through, the interference pattern dissolves and the behavior of the photon changes. The observer effect reveals a deep connection between mind and matter, with observation shaping physical reality.
Mossbridge expands on this connection, suggesting that the act of gaining knowledge about a quantum system—akin to how the mind gains knowledge—changes both the observer and the observed. She implies that consciousness is not just an emergent property of neural networks, but a pervasive aspect of the universe, potentially mediated by massless particles like photons. This idea also connects to psychic abilities and phenomena such as precognition, proposing that consciousness can access and influence information non-locally, beyond conventional spacetime.
Turning to the development of quantum computing, Mossbridge critiques the mainstream approach that focuses on manipulating and trapping individual subatomic particles in supercooled, noise-resistant environments, applying error corrections, and using gating functions to force classical-like operations from quantum elements. She argues this approach may fundamentally misunderstand how quantum computation can manifest natura ...
Quantum Physics, Consciousness, and the Nature of Time
Julia Mossbridge references a New York Times article on singing mice, explaining that Cold Spring Harbor researchers found only very subtle differences between regular lab mice and singing mice, suggesting that the distinction between speaking and non-speaking individuals, including humans, may be minimal. The rare ability for some mice to sing is likened to the small difference that allows some humans to speak and others not, emphasizing that it is not a matter of intellectual deficiency or brain atrophy.
Mossbridge points out that non-speaking autistics, often called spellers, communicate effortlessly via electronic letterboards or keyboards. Through these means, they not only express basic requests but also demonstrate sophisticated vocabulary, abstract reasoning, and the ability to reference complex concepts. This contradicts the widespread assumption that non-speaking autism indicates low intelligence or limited understanding. Rather, they participate actively in research and experiment design, specifying preferred stimuli—such as videos, music, or sung words—to tailor research protocols.
Mossbridge discusses a neuroscience finding involving the left orbital frontal area of the brain. Morris Freeman, a neurologist, observed that stroke patients with lesions in this left frontal region displayed enhanced psychic abilities. His experiments, where patients used intention to move a computer cursor governed by a random number generator, showed that those with left frontal impairment could influence outcomes significantly more than controls.
Further, replication with transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) turning down activity in the same area produced similar results in neurotypical individuals: when the left orbital frontal area was temporarily suppressed, psychic performance increased. Mossbridge explains that the left and right orbital frontal cortices inhibit each other, with psychic abilities seemingly “right under the surface” and more accessible when left hemisphere activity is reduced.
Mossbridge connects this to non-speaking autistics, proposing that their decreased activation of left-hemisphere speech areas may free the right hemisphere and allow greater access to “psychic” or non-local information. She references the filter theory of consciousness, which posits that the brain acts to filter and limit the overwhelming amount of information available in the universe. Language and left-hemisphere processing operate as filters, protecting most people from sensory overload, while non-speakers—unconstrained by speech—may access broader informational streams and heightened awareness.
Exceptional Abilities and Communication in Non-speaking Autistic Individuals
Julia Mossbridge describes how academic culture often pressures researchers to avoid or conceal their interest in unconventional topics like psychic phenomena. She recounts being advised to remove research on psychic subjects from her resume to ensure viability in academia, but she felt that doing so meant abandoning what she found truly intriguing. This climate forces many—especially junior researchers—to hide their true interests or split off from their experiences for fear of reputational harm, choosing between personal integrity and occupational survival. Mossbridge admits that, as a graduate student, she dismissed her own psychic experiences internally to align with mainstream expectations, which ultimately drove her toward building her own path outside slow-moving academia, while still keeping a foot in the academic world.
The institutional consequences are severe; anyone who actively studies or promotes unconventional research risks stigmatization, stalled careers, or being pushed out altogether. This environment mirrors cult-like dynamics found in politics and religion, where deviation from accepted doctrines results in exclusion or punitive consequences. Rogan notes that academics become gatekeepers of what is considered acceptable knowledge, and this suppresses potentially valuable inquiries.
Both Mossbridge and Rogan stress that cultural polarization doesn't just occur in politics but also operates forcefully within science and academia. Mossbridge laments that the left’s emphasis on appearing intelligent and the right’s on being correct both foster environments where insecurity drives people’s need to prove superiority rather than remain curious or solve genuine problems. This produces insecurity-driven defenses and discourages genuine collaboration or curiosity.
Ideological orthodoxy pervades both political parties and academic communities, demanding public allegiance to prescribed beliefs. Mossbridge observes that joining a political "team" often requires agreeing with every item in a doctrine and publicly performing allegiance; deviation results in cancellation—a pattern equally recognizable in academia. Rogan extends this comparison, noting that both sides increasingly display cult-like behavior: extreme performativity and intolerance for deviation.
He discusses how the internet, and specifically podcasts, have democratized access to taboo or unconventional subjects, allowing researchers to reach a vastly larger audience than traditional academic channels. Mossbridge and Rogan agree that these platforms counteract institutional gatekeeping by enabling open conversations, empowering listeners to engage with ideas that would otherwise remain suppressed. Even so, Rogan acknowledges that resistance from traditional institutions remains formidable.
Academic and Cultural Suppression of Psychic Research
Julia Mossbridge recounts troubling patterns within gifted programs that suggest selected children were subject to government experimentation, often without their consent or their parents' knowledge. Her experiences and conversations with other survivors point to a complex network of ethically questionable interventions pursued under the guise of talent development.
Mossbridge shares multiple reports from participants in the SOAR gifted program, including her own, that consistently mention memory gaps. Many recall being taken from class to see a counselor, often in pairs, only to have no memory of the actual events in the room. Mossbridge specifically details the repeated experience of walking to the designated room, dreading the event, remembering the entry and particular details like the closed door and covered windows, but then blacking out and only recalling returning to class with no memory of what occurred.
A recurring detail from Mossbridge and others is being given a chalky pink drink, sometimes compared to Pepto-Bismol, before experiencing these episodes of amnesia. She raises the possibility that this drink was an amnesiac or perhaps even something radioactive, speculating about potential ties to larger experimental agendas.
These memory lapses are not simply the effects of time. Mossbridge emphasizes that even decades later, participants remember the moments leading to and following the counseling session vividly, but there's a complete blackout regarding what transpired inside.
The first SOAR program originated in Aiken, South Carolina, near the Savannah River nuclear facility. Mossbridge notes similar reports from Nevada, another site adjacent to nuclear activity. She also mentions anecdotal evidence of schools storing radioactive containers and several participants with experiences in areas linked to government research on nuclear materials. This clustering near nuclear-related facilities suggests a possible connection between these gifted programs and experimentation on the effects of radiation or other forms of government research on children.
Mossbridge observes a striking pattern in participant backgrounds: gifted program attendees almost universally had at least one parent employed by the public school system or federal government. When she directly questioned a group about their family jobs, everyone indicated such an affiliation.
She connects this pattern to her own family: her father worked for the Department of Energy, and her maternal grandparents were involved in uranium mining in Denver, with her grandmother as a secretary and grandfather as a miner who brought uranium dust home. Mossbridge theorizes that this intergenerational exposure may have made her family—and others with similar backgrounds—of particular interest to researchers studying mutation, radiation effects, or hereditary traits.
According to Mossbridge's assessment, these gifted programs aimed to identify and enhance exceptional cognitive, leadership, creative, and psychic abilities, echoing Cold War-era government interest in psychological and parapsychological research. She acknowledges that the pursuit of such abilities is not inherently nefarious but highlights deep concerns about the methods used.
Mossbridge repeatedly underscores the ethical violations at play, emphasizing that at no point did the programs seek parental consent for memory manipulation, forced ingestion of substances, or other interventions. She asserts it is unethical and probably illegal to expose children to experimental procedures that suppress memory or alter cognition without the informed consent of guardians and children.
Government Gifted Programs and Potential Experimentation on Children
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