#2448 - Andrew Doyle

The conversation between Doyle and Rogan delves into the nature of the so-called "woke ideology," analyzing its authoritarian characteristics and its infiltration into various societal sectors.

Woke Ideology Masks Its Authoritarianism With Language and Framing

Woke ideology, as discussed by Doyle and Rogan, disguises its authoritative roots with language and framing techniques.

Activists Use Language Like "Equity" and "Gender-Affirming Care" to Conceal Exclusion Goals

According to Doyle, the woke movement uses terms such as "equity" and "gender-affirming care" that, on the surface, seem to promote fairness and support. However, he contends that these terms mask goals of enforcing unequal treatment based on group identity and affirm shaky scientific concepts among vulnerable populations.

Woke Movement Claims Morality but Often Intimidates to Enforce Views

Doyle points out the contrast between the movement’s self-proclaimed morality and its tendency to use intimidation and force to enforce its views, which he sees as authoritarian.

Woke Ideology Has Permeated all Societal Areas, Including Resistant Institutions

Doyle discusses how woke ideas have spread across the UK's political spectrum, monopolizing societal discourse and taking hold within traditionally resistant institutions.

UK Conservative Government Embraces Woke Policies

Doyle remarks on the surprising adoption of woke policies by the UK Conservative Government, noting that over their 13 ...

Andrew Doyle and Joe Rogan raise alarms about the erosion of free speech and the rise of censorship, particularly in the UK and Europe, where laws and institutional actions are restricting this fundamental right.

UK and European Governments Restricting Free Speech Laws

The UK's hate speech laws, such as the Public Order Act and the Malicious Communications Act from 1988, and the Communications Act from 2003, criminalize "grossly offensive" content. Andrew Doyle criticizes these laws for their subjectivity.

UK Hate Speech Laws: Vague, Suppressing Innocuous Speech and Dissent

Specific examples highlight broad statutes, such as someone joking about an airport on social media or causing "needless anxiety" leading to arrest. Andrew Doyle discusses the case of Darren Brady, who retweeted a meme that compared the LGBTQ movement to authoritarianism, and Lee Joseph Dunn, who was imprisoned for posting memes regarded as fueling hatred against minorities. Joe Rogan warns that even pub talk can become illegal, and people are encouraged to report offensive speech.

UK Seeks to End Jury Trials for Speech Cases, Curbing Free Expression

Doyle voices concern over the UK's Prime Minister Keir Starmer promoting an online safety bill that could lead to tweets being screened and the potential removal of juries for certain trials. Without juries, free expression could be severely limited, as highlighted by the case of a Royal Marine acquitted of racial hatred by a jury—a result unlikely in a juryless trial.

Censorship and Deplatforming by Institutions and Tech Platforms

Social media and institutions silence opinions that challenge certain narratives. Joe Rogan commented on the significant lean toward the left in mainstream media and the potential ripple effects if deplatforming becomes more common across the political spectrum.

Social Media Silence Divergent Opinions from Woke Narrative

Rogan mentions past instances where left-wing activists defended free speech rights, but there's a perceived shift in attitudes with left-tilting platforms now censoring opposition. Andrew Doyle cites calls for Elon Musk's arrest over free speech on his platform and a UK newspaper's opposition to being fact-checked.

Doyle also shared a personal encounter where an AI platform seemed to censor a sens ...

Joe Rogan, Andrew Doyle, and an unidentified speaker delve into the role of the internet and social media in spreading misinformation and shaping political narratives, highlighting concerns about the influence of unfounded information and the illusion of public support for certain ideologies.

Internet Rapidly Spreads Misinformation

Conversations stem around how misinformation and conspiracy theories, which were previously obscure, now gain traction through social media platforms.

Rumors and Conspiracy Theories From Obscure Sources Can Influence Public Discourse

Rogan discusses "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon," a book that details connections between 1960s counterculture figures and the intelligence community, suggesting a pattern of suspicious deaths among individuals connected to the intelligence agency. This discussion exemplifies how conspiracy theories can emerge from little-known sources and potentially influence public discourse.

Doyle adds to this by describing how people might fill knowledge gaps with dubious interpretations, leading to comfortable yet potentially false conclusions. He shares a personal experience of nearly believing an outlandish theory that Jesus was a woman, demonstrating how easily people can be influenced. Such susceptibility is magnified by social media's role in disseminating half-baked facts.

Moreover, they discuss manipulated images that can change public perception, such as an inverted portrait of King Charles III being made to resemble a "goat devil," showcasing the ease of fabricating conspiracy theories from mundane items.

Tech and Social Media Platforms Enable the Spread of Extremism Through Inadequate Moderation

Rogan notes that the accusation of extremism resulting from "woke" ideologies is not just a product of social media but is a part of a natural pattern of enforcing ideologies. He argues, however, that social media amplifies this pattern because of its efficiency in spreading information.

Additionally, Rogan points out the gullibility of the public in accepting claims without verification, such as a claim being made by a troll farm. Doyle adds to this with a rumor about Christopher Nolan's film involving a black Helen of Troy, challenging how quickly unverified information can become accepted as truth.

Internet Enables New Political Activism Forms

Doyle and Rogan further discuss the politicization of information and the spread of narratives that contribute to a societal legitimation crisis.

Groups and Bots Create the Illusion of Widespread Public Support

Doyle suggests skepticism towards authority figures and discusses how the credibility of information is questioned in this era. He doesn't specifically mention the role of bots and groups in this context but acknowledges the spread of misinfo ...

In a discussion about the impact of woke ideology on politics, Joe Rogan and Andrew Doyle contend that such ideologies are dividing the public and undermining democracy.

Woke Ideology Divides Public and Undermines Democratic Discourse

Andrew Doyle warns of creeping authoritarianism, which threatens free speech and democratic discourse. He and Rogan fear this could alienate voters and energize movements that oppose the status quo.

UK's Major Parties Embrace Woke Policies, Leaving Voters No Clear Alternative

Mainstream UK parties have adopted woke policies, leaving voters disgruntled and without clear alternatives, Doyle suggests. The Conservatives and Labour Party have advanced such policies, which may lead to support for third-party candidates like Nigel Farage's Reform Party. Boris Johnson's squandered majority and Keir Starmer's perceived capitulation to woke ideology feed public resentment.

Woke Agenda Alienates Voters, Fueling Rise of Movements Challenging Status Quo

The public's frustration is evident as politicians such as Starmer backtrack on immigration and grooming gang scandals, possibly prompting voters to seek radical change. The decreasing potency of accusations like racism could transform UK political discourse, as seen in rising support for reform parties labeled far-right by opponents. Events like Darren Brady's arrest for retweeting a meme highlight the societal division caused by woke ideology.

Woke Policies Negatively Impact Citizens' Lives

Rogan claims that UK leaders prioritize migrants over British citizens to intentionally create chaos. Doyle alludes to ideological hegemony within institutions, where officials may ignore directives c ...

Andrew Doyle and Joe Rogan engage in a conversation that explores the theory of "anarcho tyranny" and other organized efforts that could potentially exploit social divisions and fuel chaos, indicating concerns about the stability of democratic societies.

Exploitation of Social Divisions and Chaos

Doyle speaks about a "rotten system," highlighting the situation where the police, who are meant to uphold authority and curb criminality, are being led by ideologically-driven groups and activists that a government or elected officials won't address. He suggests that these groups persist in certain practices despite governmental direction to cease.

Joe Rogan and Andrew Doyle consider the possibility that leaders might intentionally try to destabilize countries by, for example, bringing in large numbers of migrants. They also explore the idea that certain individuals or groups might be paid to attend political rallies and that the organization of protestors who are bussed in could reflect deliberate efforts to exploit social divisions.

Rogan discusses the potential link between resignations of public officials and allegations of fraud, pondering whether corresponding riots are by design and suggest a manipulation of social unrest for political gains. The conversation implies that there might be entities within governments or other organizations exploiting societal divisions and chaos for their benefits.

Evidence Suggests Soviet Union and Other Authoritarian Regimes Undermine Western Societies From Within

Although there is no direct mention of the Soviet Union or other authoritarian regimes, Rogan references Yuri Bezmenov, a former KGB informant. Bezmenov talked about ideological subversion or active measures — psychological warfare tactics intended to change the perception of reality, preventing sensible defense against adversaries.

Bezmenov noted that this process, particularly the spread of Marxism-Leninism within educational systems without the challenge from American patriotic values, would take years to effectuate. He argued that individuals exposed to this ideology from the 1960s onward are now in influential positions and are resistant to fact-based arguments.

Bezmenov concludes that demoralization in these individuals is complete and irreversible and expresses that a new generation educated with a patriotic mindset would be necessary to counteract this. He implies that the promotion of equality and social justice has demoralized people to the point that upon realization of the reality of such a society under a Marxist-Leninist regime, they would become dissenters, suppressed compared to the fame and wealth achieved by individuals in the U.S. as dissenters.

Andrew Doyle expresses concern about the seeming realization of Bezmenov's warnings, noting the ...