#2427 - Bret Weinstein
In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Bret Weinstein and Joe Rogan explore various aspects of the COVID-19 pandemic response. They examine the evidence surrounding Ivermectin as a potential treatment, discuss concerns about mRNA vaccine safety, and analyze how health authorities handled information about natural immunity and mask mandates.
The conversation also covers the role of financial incentives in vaccination campaigns and their impact on medical decision-making. Weinstein and Rogan discuss how these factors have affected public trust in scientific institutions, while touching on broader implications for public health policy and individual freedoms, including potential future developments in digital currency systems and changes to legal procedures.
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The Suppression of Effective Covid-19 Treatments
In a discussion about Covid-19 treatments, Bret Weinstein and Joe Rogan examine concerns about the suppression of [restricted term] as a potential treatment. Weinstein argues that many clinical trials were designed with biased endpoints and manipulated data to conceal [restricted term]'s effectiveness. He points to evidence from court-ordered treatments where [restricted term] showed significant positive outcomes in 80 cases.
Rogan shares his personal experience with media criticism after using [restricted term], highlighting how the drug was dismissed as a "horse dewormer" despite evidence of its efficacy. Weinstein suggests that effective treatments may have been suppressed to maintain emergency use authorization for vaccines.
Safety and Harms of Covid-19 Vaccines
Weinstein advocates for halting mRNA vaccine production, describing it as "tissue-destroying technology." Rogan discusses concerns about vaccine injuries, particularly in children, referencing the VAERS system and citing Vinay Prasad's memo acknowledging at least 10 children's deaths from vaccines.
The discussion turns to Sam Harris's criticism of their vaccine skepticism, with Rogan noting that Harris dismisses widespread anecdotal evidence of vaccine harm, potentially to protect his reputation.
Pandemic Response Failures
Weinstein criticizes medical authorities like the CDC and WHO for their delayed acknowledgment of mask mandate ineffectiveness and natural immunity's superiority. He references Paul Offit's admission that top health officials knew about natural immunity's advantages but didn't disclose this information.
Both hosts critique the oversimplified "vaccinated vs. unvaccinated" narrative and the focus on vaccines while neglecting other preventative measures. They argue this approach, combined with vaccine mandates, has eroded public trust in scientific institutions.
Implications for Public Health and Freedom
Rogan reveals how financial incentives influenced vaccination campaigns, citing examples of doctors and businesses being motivated to promote vaccination. Weinstein expresses concern about future threats to freedom, particularly through Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs), which could enable government control over spending and silence dissent. The conversation concludes with Rogan discussing the concerning elimination of jury trials in the UK, viewing it as a fundamental threat to justice and rule of law.
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- [restricted term]'s effectiveness for Covid-19 is not widely recognized by health authorities, and many studies have not shown it to be effective; the drug is primarily approved for parasitic infections.
- The characterization of mRNA vaccines as "tissue-destroying" is not supported by the broad scientific consensus, which generally considers mRNA vaccines safe and effective.
- The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a passive reporting system that does not establish causality; reports alone cannot confirm vaccine injuries without further investigation.
- Anecdotal evidence of vaccine harm is not as reliable as controlled, peer-reviewed studies in determining vaccine safety and efficacy.
- Mask mandates and other non-pharmaceutical interventions were recommended based on the best available evidence at the time, and recommendations evolved with emerging data.
- The concept of natural immunity being superior is more nuanced and depends on various factors, including the severity of the initial infection and the risk of reinfection.
- The focus on vaccination as a primary public health strategy is based on the high efficacy of vaccines in preventing severe disease and death.
- Financial incentives in public health campaigns are not inherently problematic if they are aimed at promoting evidence-based practices to improve health outcomes.
- Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) are a complex subject, and concerns about potential misuse for government control are speculative and not universally accepted.
- Changes to legal processes, such as the use of jury trials, are subject to debate and should be considered in the context of the legal system's overall ability to deliver justice.
Actionables
- You can educate yourself on the basics of clinical trial design to better understand the nuances of medical research, which will help you critically evaluate studies and claims about treatments. Start by accessing free online courses or resources from universities or reputable health organizations, and learn about control groups, endpoints, and data analysis methods. This knowledge will empower you to ask informed questions when reading research papers or news articles about medical treatments.
- Develop a habit of consulting multiple sources before forming an opinion on health-related news, especially when it comes to treatments and vaccines. Create a diverse list of information outlets, including mainstream media, independent journalists, and medical journals, to compare different viewpoints and evidence presented. This approach will help you recognize potential biases and better assess the credibility of the information you're receiving.
- Engage in conversations with healthcare professionals about treatment options and the latest research findings, ensuring you make informed decisions about your health. Prepare a list of questions based on your research and concerns, and don't hesitate to seek second opinions if you feel uncertain about the advice given. This proactive communication can lead to a more personalized healthcare experience and increase your confidence in the decisions you make regarding treatments and preventative measures.
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The Suppression of Effective Covid-19 Treatments (Like Ivermectin)
In a discussion about the effectiveness of [restricted term] in treating Covid-19, both Weinstein and Rogan criticize the randomized controlled trials for the drug, raising significant challenges with current medical practices.
Biased Designs and Manipulated Endpoints in Trials Conceal [restricted term]'s Efficacy
Weinstein criticizes the design of randomized controlled trials involving [restricted term], suggesting the existence of issues that conceal the drug's efficacy. He claims that there is a large amount of fraud in trials designed to show that [restricted term] does not work and suggests that even in trials apparently rigged to prove [restricted term]'s ineffectiveness, the drug still demonstrates certain efficacies.
Indeed, he discusses an "accidental study" with high statistical significance suggesting [restricted term]'s efficacy and presents a forest plot indicating that [restricted term] is more effective than usual care in all tested categories, despite underdosing participants, which is biased by design.
Furthermore, Weinstein discusses various problems with randomized controlled trials, including those that are susceptible to biases or manipulation in favor of pharmaceutical interests, such as the "together trial" and the "principle trial." These trials used shared placebo groups, adjusted targeted endpoints, and manipulated these endpoints to influence results.
Weinstein also presents evidence from an experiment run by courts, countering the argument that the statistical significance of [restricted term]’s effectiveness could be explained away. He challenges the notion by noting that even when administered late in the treatment process, [restricted term] still proved to be superior to not using the drug at all. Moreover, he points out that in 80 court cases where [restricted term] was sought through lawsuits for treatment, the outcomes with [restricted term] were significantly better.
[restricted term] Reduces Covid-19 Recovery Time and Mortality In Several Studies and Court Cases
Weinstein argues that trials can create the false impression that a drug is ineffective by employing unrealistic endpoints. For instance, an experiment might use hospitalization as an endpoint for a common cold treatment, which would be misleading given the rarity of such a situation. He describes the PRINCIPLE trial's reliance on six-month outcomes as flawed because no difference would be expected due to natural recovery over time.
Censorship and Smearing Blocked [restricted term] Information From Advocates Bret Weinstein and Joe Rogan
The discussions suggest a larger controversy surrounding [restricted term] centers on claims of censorship and smearing. Weinstein implies that a propaganda campaign against [restricted term] included gaslighting and slandering advocates like himself and Joe Rogan.
Rogan recounts his own experience with Covid-19 treatment, including taking [restricted term], which was portrayed negatively by media outlets. He details an accusation by CNN of promoting d ...
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- The majority of health authorities and scientific consensus have not supported the use of [restricted term] for COVID-19 due to a lack of robust evidence from large-scale, high-quality trials.
- The design and endpoints of RCTs are often established based on rigorous scientific methodology and ethical considerations, aiming to provide the most reliable data on a drug's efficacy and safety.
- Accidental studies or observational data may have confounding factors that can lead to incorrect conclusions about a drug's efficacy, which is why RCTs are considered the gold standard for evaluating treatments.
- The use of shared placebo groups in trials is not inherently biased and can be a part of a crossover design or other valid scientific methodologies.
- The portrayal of [restricted term] as a "horse dewormer" is based on the fact that it is indeed used in veterinary medicine, although it is also used in humans for specific parasitic infections.
- The emergency use authorization (EUA) for vaccines was based on the urgent need for COVID-19 prevention and the positive results from their respective RCTs, not on the suppression of other treatments.
- The integrity of medical research i ...
Actionables
- Educate yourself on the basics of clinical trial design to discern quality research by reading accessible resources from reputable medical websites or free online courses from universities. Understanding concepts like randomization, control groups, and endpoints can help you critically evaluate studies and claims about treatments like [restricted term], enhancing your ability to make informed health decisions.
- Develop a habit of checking multiple sources before forming an opinion on health-related news, especially for controversial topics. When you come across a news article or a social media post about a drug or treatment, look for additional reports from different media outlets and official statements from health authorities to get a well-rounded view.
- Engage in conversations with healthcare professionals about treatment options, ...
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Safety and Harms of Covid-19 Vaccines
The debate over the safety of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines is a contentious and polarizing issue, with figures like Bret Weinstein and Joe Rogan raising concerns over their potential harm, and Sam Harris criticizing these skeptics.
Mrna Covid-19 Vaccines Cause Myocarditis, Pericarditis, and Long-Term Effects
Reports Suggest Vaccines Have Harmed or Killed Many, Including Children
Bret Weinstein urges to halt the production of mRNA vaccines and to remove the existing COVID-19 mRNA shots from the market. Without specific references to myocarditis and pericarditis in the transcript, Weinstein emphasizes his belief that mRNA vaccines are a "tissue-destroying technology" that could harm essential cells, including those in the nervous system.
Joe Rogan alludes to a study that children were killed by COVID-19 vaccines, and criticizes the narrative that more children died from COVID-19 than the vaccinations. Rogan also refers to the VAER system and suggests that it captures only a fraction of actual vaccine injuries. But he acknowledges the rejoiner that anyone can claim a vaccine injury, while Weinstein believes myocarditis cases are often miscategorized vaccine injuries rather than caused by COVID-19 itself.
Vinay Prasad's memo is mentioned, which acknowledges the death of at least 10 children due to the vaccines, implying that the real number might be much higher. Weinstein states evidence for vaccine harms has become transparent, with references to children's deaths.
Vaccine Trials Flawed: Manipulated Endpoints, Lacking Long-Term Safety Data
Rogan discusses the history of drugs causing harm and being pulled from the market, noting that scientific studies can sometimes be manipulated. Weinstein concurs, suggesting drug trials may be rigged to make medications appear safer or more effective than they really are.
Sam Harris Dismisses Vaccine Issues Despite Rising Public Awareness
Sam Harris Criticizes Bret Weinstein and Joe Rogan For Examining Vaccine Safety Concerns
Sam Harris is accused of criticizing Weinstein and Rogan about their stance on COVID-19 vacc ...
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- The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have undergone rigorous testing and have been authorized by health authorities worldwide, including the FDA and EMA, indicating a high level of confidence in their safety and efficacy.
- The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination is rare, and the majority of cases are mild and resolve with minimal treatment, according to data from the CDC and other health organizations.
- The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a passive reporting system that requires further investigation to establish causality; reports alone do not confirm that the vaccine caused the event.
- The benefits of COVID-19 vaccination in preventing severe disease, hospitalization, and death have been well-documented, outweighing the risks of rare adverse events for the vast majority of the population.
- Long-term safety data for COVID-19 vaccines continues to be collected, and ongoing surveillance has not identified any widespread issues that would alter the risk-benefit analysis for their use.
- Clinical trials for COVID-19 vaccines were conducted with oversight from regulatory agencies and independent monitoring boards to ensure the integrity of the data and the safety of participants.
- Sam Harris's criticisms may be based on a review of the scientific literature and consensus among public health experts, rather than a dismissal ...
Actionables
- You can enhance your understanding of vaccine safety by starting a journal to track your health status and any changes following vaccinations. Write down any symptoms or health issues you experience, along with the dates they occur. This personal health log can help you identify patterns that may warrant further investigation or discussion with a healthcare professional.
- Develop a habit of cross-referencing information from multiple sources to form a well-rounded perspective on vaccine safety. For each piece of information you come across, find at least two additional sources that either support or contradict it. This could involve reading scientific studies, looking at data from health organizations, and listening to expert opinions from different sides of the ...
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Pandemic Response Failures and Biases in Medical and Scientific Institutions
The article reviews critical commentaries by Bret Weinstein and Joe Rogan regarding the failures and biases in the pandemic response, focusing on the actions of health authorities and the promotion of vaccines over other health measures.
Medical Authorities Like Cdc and Who Mislead, Suppress Dissent, and Serve Pharmaceutical Interests Over Public Health
Bret Weinstein criticizes medical authorities for perpetuating biases that lean toward pharmaceutical interests rather than public health.
Cdc, Who Slow to Acknowledge Mask Mandate Ineffectiveness and Natural Immunity Superiority
Weinstein discusses issues within medical science in the context of the pandemic response. He addresses the slow response of entities like the CDC and WHO to acknowledge the limitations of mask mandates and the superiority of natural immunity. Weinstein refers to Paul Offit’s statements, suggesting that top public health officials were aware of the superiority of natural immunity over vaccination but chose not to disclose this information.
Flawed Studies and Data Manipulation Justify Pandemic Policies, Contradictory Evidence Ignored
Allegations of data manipulation are brought to light by Weinstein, who points out that such tactics were used to justify pandemic policies, while contradictory evidence was overlooked. He alleges shenanigans in the categorization of individuals to skew results concerning myocarditis cases among vaccinated versus unvaccinated people. Weinstein also admits that he was wrong about the effectiveness of masks against COVID-19, implying there was insufficient evidence to support their use.
Furthermore, Weinstein disapproves of the public health advice given by figures like Sam Harris and Sanjay Gupta, claiming it reflects flawed reasoning or manipulation when recommending vaccines to those already possessing natural immunity.
Pandemic Response Overly Simplistic With "Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated" Framing, Hindering Evidence-Based Approach
The pandemic response's simplistic framing is critiqued, specifically the binary narrative of "vaccinated versus unvaccinated," hindering a more nuanced, evidence-based approach to public health.
Public Health Figures, Such as Peter Hotez, Promoted Vaccination While Neglecting Fitness and Other Prev ...
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- The CDC and WHO have to balance rapidly changing information with public guidance, and their recommendations evolve with the evidence.
- Mask mandates were implemented based on the best available evidence at the time, and recommendations were updated as more data became available.
- The concept of natural immunity is complex, and public health officials must consider the variability in immune responses and the risk of severe disease.
- Scientific studies are subject to peer review, and while some may have limitations, the scientific community continually works to correct and update understandings as more data is gathered.
- Allegations of data manipulation should be substantiated with evidence, and the scientific method includes mechanisms for self-correction when errors or biases are identified.
- Public health advice often has to generalize to cater to the broad population, and nuanced recommendations may follow as more specific data becomes available.
- The framing of "vaccinated vs. unvaccinated" may be an oversimplification, but it is often used to communicate effectively with the public about the benefits of vaccination.
- Public health figures advocate for vaccination bec ...
Actionables
- You can diversify your health information sources by following a range of experts from different fields and perspectives to get a more balanced view on public health measures. For example, if you've been following mainly traditional health authorities, consider adding immunologists, epidemiologists, and public health researchers who may have different viewpoints on topics like natural immunity and preventive health measures. This can help you form a more nuanced understanding of health policies and their implications.
- Start a personal health journal to track various aspects of your well-being, including how you respond to different preventive measures like vaccines, fitness routines, and dietary changes. By documenting your experiences, you can better understand what works for you and identify any patterns or changes in your health that may correlate with different interventions. This personal record can serve as a valuable tool for discussions with healthcare providers about your health choices.
- Engage in community forums or online discussi ...
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Implications for Public Health, Science, and Personal Freedoms
Joe Rogan and Weinstein highlight several concerns regarding the influence of financial incentives on public health decisions and the erosion of freedoms, both financially and legally.
Pandemic Response Revealed Flaws in Medical Research, Drug Approval, and Public Health Decisions
The pandemic response brought to light various issues from financial motivators to suppression of dissent within the public health sector.
Pharmaceutical Influence, Flawed Study Reliance, and Dissent Suppression Undermine Scientific Integrity
Rogan discusses financial incentives potentially influencing doctors and medical institutions to vaccinate people, citing the case of a doctor who could have made an additional $1.5 million by vaccinating all her patients. He also asserts that businesses had financial reasons to vaccinate employees and faced punitive measures if they did not meet vaccination thresholds. This narrative further includes the debate on the likelihood of myocarditis in vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals, raising suspicions of data manipulation.
Weinstein speaks on incentive for fraud within the current system and the resulting suppression of evidence, which have revealed flaws in medical research and drug approval processes. This evidently undermines the scientific integrity and trust in public health decisions. The efficacy of [restricted term], argued through the presentation of statistical evidence from court experiments, exemplifies how potentially beneficial treatments might be overshadowed by flawed pharmaceutical practices.
Crisis Exposes Vulnerability of Freedoms as Governments Use Pandemic to Justify Restrictions
While the discussion does not directly address government imposition of restrictions on freedoms, it implies a broader concern that pharmaceutical interests and flaws in the health response may negatively impact personal freedoms. The insights from Rogan and Weinstein suggest that the response to the pandemic may have inadvertently set a precedent for controlling public behavior and limiting discourse.
Cbdcs' Introduction and Jury Trial Erosion Threaten Freedoms and Information Access
Emerging financial technologies and changes in the legal system may pose new threats to freedoms and the rule of law.
Cbdcs Could Let Governments Control Money Use ...
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Counterarguments
- Financial incentives are a common part of healthcare systems worldwide and do not necessarily compromise medical decisions; they can also encourage beneficial practices like vaccination.
- Businesses may have public health motivations for vaccinating employees, aiming to reduce transmission and maintain a healthy workforce, rather than purely financial reasons.
- Concerns about myocarditis rates need to be balanced with the broader context of the benefits of vaccination, which have been shown to outweigh the risks for the majority of the population.
- The medical research and drug approval system has checks and balances, such as peer review and regulatory oversight, which aim to prevent fraud and ensure scientific integrity.
- The debate over [restricted term]'s efficacy is complex, and while some studies suggest potential benefits, others do not; mainstream medical opinion often follows the preponderance of evidence from multiple studies.
- Government actions during the pandemic, such as lockdowns and mask mandates, have been based on public health concerns, and many legal experts argue they are within the scope of government powers during emergencies.
- CBDCs have potential benefits, such as reducing transaction c ...
Actionables
- You can educate yourself on the basics of medical research to better understand the context of health news. Start by reading introductory articles or watching videos on how clinical trials are conducted, what peer review entails, and the role of regulatory bodies like the FDA. This foundational knowledge will help you critically evaluate health information and claims you come across.
- Develop a habit of checking multiple sources before forming an opinion on health-related news. When you hear about a new treatment or a health statistic, look for the original study or data source, then read reports from various news outlets and expert analyses to get a well-rounded view. This approach helps you avoid misinformation and understand the nuances of medical data.
- Engage in conversations about the import ...
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