In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, guest Avi Loeb discusses the interstellar object 3i Atlas and its unusual characteristics. Loeb presents his analysis of the object's properties, including its size, mass, and atypical features such as its gas jet behavior and nickel composition. He also describes the challenges he has faced within the scientific community when proposing non-traditional explanations for these observations.
The discussion extends to broader implications for research into potential extraterrestrial intelligence. Loeb outlines his work with the Galileo project, which aims to collect data on millions of sky objects through three observatories. He addresses the need for increased investment in this field of study and improved collaboration between government agencies and scientists, particularly regarding data about unidentified aerial phenomena.

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Avi Loeb's analysis of the interstellar object 3i Atlas has sparked significant scientific discussion due to several unusual characteristics that suggest it might not be of natural origin.
According to Loeb, 3i Atlas exhibits several peculiarities that set it apart from typical celestial objects. These include a gas jet pointing towards the Sun (contrary to normal cometary behavior), unusually high nickel levels compared to iron, and no typical cometary tail. Using observational data, Loeb estimates 3i Atlas to be over five kilometers in diameter, significantly larger than typical comets or asteroids, with a mass of approximately 33 billion tons.
Loeb describes facing considerable resistance from colleagues when proposing unconventional explanations for 3i Atlas's characteristics. He reports experiencing personal attacks and pressure on journal editors to reject his work, particularly when suggesting possible technological origins for interstellar objects. This resistance, Loeb suggests, stems from a combination of status quo maintenance, academic jealousy, and a broader reluctance to consider evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence.
Loeb advocates for increased investment in studying potential extraterrestrial intelligence and anomalous phenomena. He reveals his involvement in the Galileo project, which has already secured private funding for three observatories designed to collect data on millions of sky objects annually. Loeb emphasizes the national security implications of these studies and argues for allocating significant resources, including from military budgets, to develop better observation capabilities and potential interceptor spacecraft.
Loeb also expresses frustration with limited access to government and contractor data on unidentified aerial phenomena, suggesting that greater transparency and collaboration between government agencies and the scientific community would benefit this field of research.
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The interstellar object 3i Atlas has sparked rigorous scientific debate and analysis led by Avi Loeb, who suggests that the object may not be natural due to several peculiarities.
Loeb studies anomalies with 3i Atlas that are not typical of natural celestial objects. He scrutinizes 3i Atlas's unique features, such as a gas jet towards the Sun and its anti-tail configuration, which point to a non-optical illusion phenomenon.
Observations indicate that 3i Atlas has a glow that appears elongated towards the Sun, contrasting the traditional direction of cometary tails. The Hubble Space Telescope provided sharp images that support these findings. Loeb criticizes experts who attribute the bizarre phenomenon to comets' inherent strangeness without exploring further. For instance, he notes an unusual composition exhibiting high nickel content but low iron levels, which contradicts what is commonly found in cometary materials.
Loeb taught a class on using spectral lines to determine the composition of gas plumes. The atypical nickel abundance could imply an industrially produced material reminiscent of nickel alloys used in aerospace. However, other scientists suggest the lesser-known carbonyl pathway might naturally account for these anomalies, a pathway familiar in industrial settings but not observed in nature.
Loeb also discusses the jet-like feature pointing toward the Sun, with comet experts quickly diagnosing 3i Atlas as a comet due to initial tail-like images. However, their quick dismissal fails to address the lack of a typical comet tail and other oddities.
Using data from observatories around Earth, Loeb finds that 3i Atlas's trajectory is shaped only by gravity, with no evidence of recoil, suggesting a mass of 33 billion tons. This mass, matched with solid density, implies a size more than five kilometers in diameter, which is larger than standard comets or asteroids.
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3i Atlas and Other Interstellar Objects: Scientific Analysis and Debate
Avi Loeb discusses the resistance he faces from the scientific community when proposing unconventional ideas, such as the potential extraterrestrial origins of interstellar objects.
Loeb recounts several instances where his suggestions of technological origins for interstellar objects were not taken seriously by the scientific community. He mentions personal attacks against him when he began receiving media attention for his first paper on Oumuamua, which suggested the object might be technological. Loeb also describes how his more unusual proposals, such as those about the trajectory of 3i Atlas, were disparaged, to the extent that the editor asked him to remove a sentence hinting at extraterrestrial technology from a paper. Colleagues even contacted the media, including a New York Times reporter, to cast doubt on his findings.
Loeb indicates the underlying motivations for this resistance, as he sees it, include the maintenance of the status quo, bias against deviating from accepted thinking, and personal jealousy within academia. He describes the tenure system as initially intended to protect intellectual exploration and risk-taking but points out that his peers appear to propagate conformity and ridicule anything different.
Loeb suggests that a fundamental lack of curiosity and unwillingness to consider new paths in science, stems from a fear of damaging reputations and biases towards traditional scientific thinking. While imaginative ideas are rewarded in the study of cosmology, proposing non-traditional ideas in the realm of comets and asteroids meets strong resistance.
Resistance to Non-natural Explanations for Anomalous Phenomena
Avi Loeb urges for a more aggressive investment in understanding extraterrestrial intelligence, citing potential national security risks and the significant impact that such discoveries could have on humanity.
Loeb compares the implications of encountering alien technology to black swan events, highlighting the need for serious consideration given their potential impact. He asserts that the lack of investment in studying interstellar objects and the potential for extraterrestrial intelligence results in lost essential data. Loeb emphasizes the importance of investigating anomalies that go beyond human-made technologies, deeming it significant and irresponsible of the scientific community to ignore. During a briefing to the US Congress, Loeb discussed the work they are doing, advocating for increased investment in observing and understanding these phenomena.
Loeb emphasizes the need for better observation capabilities, pointing to the risk posed by interstellar objects like 3i Atlas and the possibility they could be associated with extraterrestrial intelligence. He discusses waiting for the government to reclassify information on unidentified objects as ineffective and advocates for independent observatories built specifically for monitoring the skies. Loeb reveals his direct involvement by providing routine updates about 3i Atlas to congresspeople, including a congresswoman he mentions by name, advising policymakers on matters related to extraterrestrial intelligence.
Loeb suggests the creation of a network of observatories and sensors to systematically study the sky. He explains that the Galileo project is aimed at constructing a reliable set of sensors in an observatory configuration to collect scientific quality data on millions of objects in the sky per year. He reveals they have three observatories already funded by private investors. Additionally, Loeb proposes a full alert system and the development of interceptors, spacecraft capable of meeting interstellar objects detected by the observatories.
Loeb makes a case for allocating billions, suggesting even leveraging military budgets, to research interstellar objects and extraterrestrial intelligence. He cites the use of drones by adversarial nations as a risk that justifies this level of investment. Loeb argues for sophisticated planetary defense against technological gadgets from extraterrestrial origins, which could be poles apart from mere rocks, and justifies diverting a significant portion of the $2.4 trillion military budget towards it.
Increasing Scientific Investment In Understanding Extraterrestrial Intelligence
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