In this episode of The Game w/ Alex Hormozi, Hormozi advises a moving company owner on strategies to scale beyond $300,000 in annual revenue. He addresses how hourly pricing commoditizes moving services and recommends transitioning to flat-rate pricing with a premium "VIP" tier featuring certified movers, comprehensive insurance, and all-inclusive packing services. This positioning allows the company to differentiate on quality rather than compete solely on price.
Hormozi outlines practical approaches to customer acquisition, emphasizing realtor and brokerage partnerships as high-leverage channels that significantly outperform traditional advertising. He discusses multi-channel outreach tactics using SMS and Instagram, the importance of before-and-after content for building credibility, and systematic methods for collecting customer reviews. Throughout the episode, Hormozi demonstrates how value-based selling and strategic partnerships can transform a commoditized service business into a premium operation with sustainable margins.

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Alex Hormozi discusses how hourly pricing commoditizes moving services and creates a race to the bottom where competitors simply undercut each other. He advocates for flat-rate, job-based pricing instead, which protects margins and provides customers with predictable costs while eliminating incentives for movers to drag out work.
Hormozi proposes creating a "VIP" tier for affluent customers featuring "master movers" with 50+ moves and level three certification. This addresses common anxieties about untrained or questionable workers that plague budget competitors. The VIP package includes all packing services, materials, and insurance with a capped maximum price, eliminating hidden fees. Nas Elakkad notes that competitors often add unexpected charges like $600 in materials at the end.
Every sales conversation should begin with the VIP offer, Hormozi advises, since affluent customers prioritize quality and convenience over price. Only if clients identify as budget-conscious should staff introduce the standard option. This anchoring strategy makes the standard tier appear economical by comparison and prevents defaulting to lower-margin jobs.
The transition to value-based selling relies on strategic questioning that educates customers about hidden risks. Sales calls move beyond basic logistics to probe deeper: Are movers qualified? Has the customer considered who will handle their possessions? Mentioning that roughly 20% of industry workers may have criminal backgrounds creates psychological markers of risk and positions the company's certified "master movers" as a differentiator.
When customers mention competitor rates, the salesperson respectfully unpacks the value offered: "If you can find somebody else that does insurance, has level three movers, includes materials, and has a cap, by all means, I'll price match it." This forces customers to realize most "cheaper" offers aren't truly comparable. Hormozi emphasizes educating customers on the total ownership cost—cheap movers might cost more through damage, hidden fees, or lengthier moves. This reframes premium pricing as insurance rather than markup, differentiating on quality and guarantees instead of competing on price alone.
Realtor partnerships have proven to be high-leverage acquisition channels significantly outperforming traditional ad-based lead generation. However, Hormozi points out that realtors are rarely motivated by small cash rebates compared to their commissions—their reputation matters much more. Instead of offering $250 cash discounts, providing free VIP service upgrades at standard rates elevates the realtor's value to their clients and builds loyalty through experience.
The data speaks for itself: six jobs from realtors generated $15,000 in revenue—over $3,000 per job—while 17 jobs from Google yielded only $16,000 total. Scaling to brokerage-level partnerships drives exponential growth by providing access to entire networks of agents. A single brokerage with 20 agents can generate 60+ moves annually. Success lies in pitching brokerage leadership with testimonials and the VIP upgrade offer to secure preferred-vendor status, creating switching costs that prevent competitors from breaking in.
The path to brokerage partnership often begins with a single realtor referral. As soon as a realtor sends a customer, visit the brokerage in person with testimonials to thank the referring agent and introduce the program to leadership and other agents. Elakkad notes that even assigning a dedicated relationship manager to this role brings necessary focus to nurturing partnerships and prevents valuable brokerage ties from being neglected as the business scales.
SMS has proven significantly more effective than email for real estate agent outreach. Elakkad recounts that after attempting both channels, emails yielded zero conversions while SMS produced meaningful traction. Hormozi recommends using AI to personalize SMS outreach by generating individualized information for each agent, increasing response rates and reducing spam flags. Using local area codes further boosts deliverability by making texts appear more familiar and trustworthy.
After positive SMS interactions, Elakkad follows up on Instagram, where direct messaging facilitates relationship-oriented conversations and sharing of move photos and social proof. Hormozi suggests automating this process by using AI to match SMS responders to their Instagram profiles, allowing for systematic daily engagement with 10 to 20 new prospects.
Hormozi also discusses testing iMessage as an alternative, noting that "blue bubble" messages are perceived as more personal than regular SMS. Though limited to iPhone users and potentially more costly, the higher response rates may justify the expense if improved customer acquisition offsets the costs.
Hormozi emphasizes producing before-and-after videos at every job site showing the complete transformation along with client reviews. This content is more impactful than written reviews because potential customers directly see results and hear authentic testimonials. Regular posting on social media builds credibility and serves as social proof when approaching brokerages—having 100,000 local followers demonstrates reach and professionalism.
To systematically collect five-star reviews, Hormozi details a gamified system where crew members receive bonuses for each review. The foreman asks customers about their experience and communicates that the crew receives a "spiff" from ownership for five-star reviews. This motivates excellent service while making requests feel authentic rather than desperate. The crew member with the most reviews at month's end receives an additional bonus.
Strong social media presence is essential for attracting both customers and realtor partnerships. Realtors routinely assess social media when choosing service providers, and they can repurpose the content for their own marketing, creating mutual benefit. Consistent activity signals business stability and reliability, making the company a more attractive partner than competitors lacking visible online presence.
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Alex Hormozi emphasizes that using hourly rates inevitably commoditizes the moving service, making price the only point of comparison for customers. Competitors can easily undercut pricing, and clients may be left comparing minor differences: “it's 120 here and there were 125…it doesn't matter because they could take eight hours and I could take four.” This race to the bottom on price erodes margins and encourages manipulation of labor duration.
Hormozi advocates for shifting to flat-rate, job-based pricing instead. This approach prevents margin erosion by providing fixed costs to customers, immune to the variations in time and labor that hourly systems encourage. Flat-rate pricing also decreases the risk of scope creep where movers drag out work to increase billable hours. Hormozi frames the customer experience as, “I'm going to leave my house, and then I'm going to show up at the other house, and it's done.” By focusing on delivering peace of mind and a seamless move, the company preserves pricing power even in a competitive landscape.
Hormozi proposes a specialized “VIP” service tier designed for affluent customers who value quality over price. A core differentiator for this tier is the inclusion of “master movers”—workers who have completed at least 50 moves and achieved a level three certification. This addresses common customer anxieties about untrained labor and workers with criminal backgrounds, which plague lower-cost competitors that often hire laborers without due diligence. Hormozi highlights this risk differentiation: “you don’t know if they have a record … on your move for VIP, you get all level three master movers who’ve done at least 50 moves or 100 moves.”
The VIP package goes beyond just skilled labor by including all packing services, materials (such as shrink wrap and moving buckets), and insurance. This eliminates hidden fees, which are common among competitors who often add unexpected charges at the end of the job. Nas Elakkad notes, “material is included … compared to other companies that would just throw an extra $600 at the end of the bill.” By establishing a price cap on the whole job, the VIP package builds trust, assuring customers that the cost will not spiral and scope creep will be avoided.
Hormozi advises that every sales conversation should begin with the VIP offer: “I always start high ... when you get on the phone with somebody who has money, they don’t care. They just want it done.” Presenting the premium option first gives affluent customers, who value speed, ...
Product Positioning: Premium Service Tiers (Vip vs Standard)
The transition from competing on price alone to value-based selling relies on reshaping sales conversations, using strategic questioning to educate customers, spotlight hidden risks, and demonstrate superior service.
Sales calls begin with basic questions about the day and scope of the move, covering logistics such as availability, number of rooms, presence of stairs, parking constraints, and whether the customer already has all the packing materials. This practical discovery phase builds rapport and uncovers essential service requirements.
Moving beyond logistics, the salesperson probes deeper: Are the movers qualified? Has the customer considered the backgrounds of who will handle their possessions? Mentioning the prevalence of unqualified or even ex-cons in the industry—around 20%—creates psychological markers of risk and positions the company’s qualified, “level three master movers” as a differentiator. Ask about the value of items, specifically anything worth over $500, to introduce the critical importance of insurance. When a customer realizes that uninsured moves could be risky, the price discussion shifts from pure dollars-per-hour to the safety and protection of their belongings.
Questions around mover qualifications, material preparedness, insurance, and risk set the company apart from generic moving services and introduce uncertainty about whether competitors have considered or provided for these needs. Preference-based questions not only educate but also sow seeds of doubt regarding less thorough providers, positioning the business as more thoughtful and trustworthy.
Customers habitually default to simple hourly price comparisons. The consultative approach disrupts this by introducing other variables—insurance, worker verification, which materials are included, and capped maximum prices for service. Asking if companies provide a written cap (“will not be more than this”) exposes a hidden vulnerability in low-cost competitors who can take longer and ultimately charge more.
When customers mention competitor rates, the salesperson respectfully unpacks the value offered: “If you can find somebody else that does insurance, has level three movers, includes materials, and has a cap, by all means, I’ll price match it.” This offer is strategic—by laying out the components, it forces the customer to realize most “cheaper” offers are not truly apples-to-apples. The risk of uninsured, unqualified movers and open-ended costs transforms the conversation from price alone to service completeness and peace of mind.
Explaining all service dimensions—risk, speed, ease, guarantees—expands the customer’s thinking to the total value bundle. When the full scope is clear (“nothing breaks, you have a great experience”), the customer sees the legitimacy of higher prices. This approach minimizes buyer’s remorse and builds trust in the company’s commitment to quality.
Sales: Moving From Commodity Pricing To Value-Based Selling With Strategic Questioning
Partnerships with realtors and brokerages present a high-leverage, recurring channel for moving companies to acquire new customers and drive growth—significantly outperforming traditional ad-based or one-off lead generation strategies.
Realtor outreach has proven to be a consistent winner in acquiring high-value moving jobs. Traditionally, moving companies might offer cash rebates—like $250 off for referrals—when a realtor sends a client over. However, Alex Hormozi points out that realtors are rarely motivated by relatively small cash incentives compared to their commissions. Instead, their reputation and the client experience matter much more.
When a realtor can offer their clients a free VIP service (or "white glove" upgrade) at the standard rate, it elevates the realtor’s value in the eyes of their client. Realtors want to be the go-to experts who provide exceptional connections and seamless moves, enhancing the loyalty and trust of their buyers and sellers. The VIP service upgrade becomes a compelling differentiator, building realtor loyalty through real client experiences instead of cash rewards.
Data shows the power of realtor partnerships: out of six jobs sourced from realtors in a given month, $15,000 in revenue was generated—over $3,000 per job—while 17 jobs from Google yielded $16,000 total. The recurring referrals and higher average ticket size from realtor relationships significantly outperform one-off leads from platforms like Google or Yelp.
Realtors habitually refer moving partners, maintaining relationships with recent buyers and sellers for future transactions and additional referrals, further compounding deal volume and customer loyalty.
While individual realtor partnerships create steady deal flow, brokerage-level partnerships drive exponential growth by providing access to entire networks of agents and their transactions.
A single brokerage can easily have 20 agents, with each closing an average of one house per quarter. This equates to roughly five deals a month or 60+ moves annually from just one brokerage relationship—a clear step up from isolated realtor contacts.
Integration at the brokerage level allows moving companies to become a preferred vendor, ideally included in the firm’s onboarding materials or relocation packets for homebuyers and sellers. This systematizes referrals and creates a sustainable, high-volume pipeline beyond ad-hoc, agent-by-agent introductions.
Success lies in pitching brokerage leadership rather than just agents. In-person meetings, armed with client testimonials and a compelling "free VIP upgrade" offer, can help secure preferred-vendor status. Once a moving company is integrated into the brokerage's standard process, switching costs rise and it becomes increasingly difficult for competitors to break in.
Customer Acquisition: Realtor & Brokerage Partnerships For Growth
Multi-channel outreach combines SMS, Instagram engagement, and AI-driven personalization to maximize lead generation efforts in the real estate sector. Nas Elakkad and Alex Hormozi detail effective tactics for reaching and converting realtors using these channels.
SMS has proven significantly more effective than email for real estate agent outreach. Nas Elakkad recounts that, after attempting both SMS and email, emails yielded zero conversions, while SMS produced meaningful traction among their 12,000-agent list. SMS outperforms email because realtors are consistently on their phones and are more likely to respond to text messages.
Alex Hormozi recommends using AI to personalize SMS outreach. By connecting AI tools to the agent contact list, it’s possible to generate an Excel sheet with individualized information and create tailored first-text templates for each agent. Reviewing these messages quickly ensures personalization quality. AI-personalized messages are more engaging than generic ones, increasing response rates and making it less likely the messages are marked as spam.
Using local area codes for sending numbers further boosts deliverability rates. This approach makes texts appear more familiar and trustworthy to recipients, increasing the likelihood of a response.
A positive response to an SMS—such as liking the message—signals interest and justifies a follow-up on Instagram. Elakkad describes his method: after any positive SMS interaction, he searches for the agent's Instagram profile, follows them, and initiates a conversation to provide more information about his offer. This step is natural and non-intrusive, leveraging the established interest from SMS.
On Instagram, direct messaging is favored for sharing content such as move photos and social proof, facilitating friendly and relationship-oriented conversations. Instagram DMs feel less formal than calls, fostering engagement without aggressive overstepping.
Hormozi suggests automating the process by using A ...
Lead Generation: Multi-Channel Outreach via Sms, Instagram, & Ai
Alex Hormozi emphasizes the importance of producing before-and-after videos to address the challenge of attracting qualified leads and standing out in the marketplace. He suggests capturing footage that shows the state of the house before and after work is done, at every job site, and then editing these into quick clips. Each video should show the complete arc: before, after, location, and, when possible, a client review at the end. This approach yields content that is more impactful than written reviews or marketing copy, as potential customers directly see the transformation and hear authentic testimonials.
By consistently posting this end-to-end content on social media, the brand engages its audience more effectively and builds an organic following. Regular, high-quality posting increases engagement, attracts new prospects, and strengthens the brand’s credibility online. Hormozi notes that follower count is a visible indicator of brand strength. When approaching brokerages or partners, having a large, engaged local following—such as 100,000 followers—serves as social proof of the business’s reach and credibility. This strong presence can be used to assure potential partners and customers of the company’s professionalism and results.
Hormozi details a gamified system for collecting five-star reviews that leverages direct financial incentives for crew members. He suggests assigning a foreman or leader at each site to approach customers after the job and ask about their experience. If positive, the foreman communicates an incentive: crew members receive a bonus or "spiff" from ownership for each five-star review. This not only motivates employees to provide excellent service but also enhances the authenticity of review requests, making customers feel their feedback directly benefits the workers.
The process avoids coming across as desperate or unprofessional because it’s delivered by the foreman—not ownership—and frames the request as benefitting the team. At month’s end, the crew member who garners the most reviews can receive an additional bonus, such as $100. The result is a more motivated crew, more consistent customer service, and a steady flow of authentic reviews that feed the brand’s content strategy and reputation.
Hormozi asserts that pros ...
Brand Building: Before-And-after, Reviews, and Growth Strategy
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