Do Epic Stuff & Then Talk About It | Ep 957
In this episode of The Game, Alex Hormozi and a business owner explore strategies for optimizing sales processes and marketing efforts. Their discussion covers practical approaches to scaling ad spend, improving lead conversion rates, and analyzing key business metrics to make data-driven decisions about customer acquisition and retention.
The conversation also addresses common challenges in business growth, including employee recruitment and retention. Hormozi shares specific recommendations for enhancing training programs through incentive structures, and presents methods for reducing customer churn through strategic adjustments to trial periods and payment models. The episode breaks down the mathematics behind these business decisions, from customer acquisition costs to lifetime value calculations.
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Sales and Marketing Optimization For Revenue and Profit
In a discussion about optimizing business performance, Caller #1 and Alex Hormozi explore strategies for improving sales processes and marketing efforts. The caller's business currently spends $500 monthly on Google Ads, generating leads at $50 each with a 30% conversion rate. Hormozi advises scaling up the monthly ad spend to $5,000 and implementing immediate lead follow-up, suggesting these changes could double the conversion rate to 60%. Given the business's strong unit economics—with each customer generating $2,250 in annual gross profit—Hormozi emphasizes that increased ad spend is justified by the potential returns.
Improving Recruitment, Retention, and Training to Support Growth
Addressing the caller's challenge with employee retention, Hormozi suggests that improved sales processes and pricing could fund better employee compensation. To tackle the lengthy six-week training period, he proposes offering trainers a $500 bonus for successfully training new hires within two weeks. This bonus system includes accountability measures: trainers must certify the quality of their trainees' work and be willing to fix any mistakes made during the first month without additional charges.
Analyzing Key Business Metrics to Make Strategic Decisions
The discussion turns to measuring business health through metrics, with Hormozi emphasizing the importance of focusing on post-conversion churn rather than overall churn rates. The caller's company maintains a 7% post-conversion churn rate. To improve retention, Hormozi recommends converting their free trial to a "penalty-based" model where customers pay upfront and receive a rebate for active usage. He notes that customer success within the first 10 days significantly reduces the likelihood of churn. While the caller reports customer acquisition costs around $130, Hormozi cautions against relying on unusually low lead costs, encouraging strategic investment in advertising based on proven ROI metrics.
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Counterarguments
- Increasing ad spend does not guarantee a proportional increase in conversion rates; other factors such as market saturation, ad quality, and competition could affect outcomes.
- A higher ad spend could lead to diminishing returns if not managed effectively or if the target market is not sufficiently large.
- While each customer may generate $2,250 in annual gross profit, this does not account for potential increases in variable costs associated with scaling up customer acquisition.
- Improved sales processes and pricing may not always be sufficient to fund significant increases in employee compensation, especially if the market has a ceiling on viable price points.
- Offering trainers a bonus for faster training could compromise the quality of training if trainers rush the process to earn the bonus.
- Certifying the quality of trainees' work and holding trainers accountable for mistakes could lead to disputes over responsibility and the definition of a "mistake."
- Focusing solely on post-conversion churn might overlook important factors contributing to overall churn that could be addressed to improve customer retention.
- A 7% post-conversion churn rate might be acceptable in some industries but could be a sign of underlying issues in others, depending on the context.
- A penalty-based free trial model could deter potential customers who are risk-averse or prefer a traditional free trial experience.
- Customer success within the first 10 days is important, but long-term engagement strategies are also crucial for sustained retention.
- Customer acquisition costs of $130 might not be sustainable as the business scales or if the cost of advertising rises.
- Relying on historical ROI metrics for advertising investment decisions may not account for changing market dynamics or consumer behavior.
Actionables
- You can test the impact of increased advertising spend on a small scale by incrementally raising your budget in a controlled environment, like social media ads, to track conversion rate changes. Start by increasing your ad spend by 10% and monitor the results weekly. If you see a positive trend in conversions, consider another increase until you find the optimal spend for your situation.
- Create a simple incentive program for any skill-sharing or mentoring you do in your community or workplace. For example, if you help someone learn a new language or software, establish a reward for yourself that's contingent on their progress, like treating yourself to a favorite activity or purchase. This mirrors the bonus structure for trainers and encourages quality in teaching.
- Experiment with a personal "penalty-based" commitment model for your goals, where you set aside a sum of money that you'll only get back if you stick to your plan. For instance, if you're trying to exercise regularly, pay a friend $50 at the start of the month, and you'll only get it back if you meet your workout targets. This approach can motivate you to follow through on your commitments, similar to the proposed trial-to-paid conversion strategy.
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Sales and Marketing Optimization For Revenue and Profit
Businesses are constantly seeking ways to optimize their sales and marketing efforts for better revenue and profit. Caller #1 and Alex Hormozi discuss strategies to improve the sales process, boost revenue through increased ad spend, and leverage unit economics to justify investment.
Analyze Sales Process and Identify Areas For Improvement
Caller #1's experience provides a real-world example of a sales process with room for improvement. With a monthly Google Ads budget of $500, Caller #1 is generating approximately 10 leads at a cost of $50 per lead, with a conversion rate of about 30%. The current follow-up process is acknowledged as being flawed due to delays, as contact is made within five minutes, but only through text or email, not a phone call.
Boost Revenue: Increase Ad Spend & Improve Lead Follow-Up
Alex Hormozi recognizes the hesitancy in Caller #1 to increase advertising expenditure despite successful lead generation and a solid conversion rate. He advises Caller #1 to scale the monthly ad spend up to $5,000 which could significantly elevate lead volume. Hormozi insists that contacting leads within 60 seconds could potentially double the conversion rate from 30% to 60%. By running $5,000 a month in PPC advertising and implementing a rapid calling strategy for leads, Caller #1 could vastly increase revenue.
Leverage Strong Unit Economics to Justify Increased Investme ...
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Counterarguments
- Increasing ad spend does not always correlate with increased revenue if the quality of leads does not improve or if the market is saturated.
- Contacting leads within 60 seconds may not be feasible for all business models, especially those with limited staff or resources.
- Doubling the conversion rate from 30% to 60% by simply contacting leads faster may be overly optimistic and not take into account other factors that influence conversion rates.
- High gross margins are not the only factor to consider when increasing ad spend; cash flow, return on investment, and the long-term value of customers are also important.
- The strategy of rapid calling might not be preferred or effective for all target demographics; some customers may find rapid phone calls intrusive or aggressive.
- There may be diminishing return ...
Actionables
- You can analyze your current sales funnel to identify bottlenecks and areas for improvement. Start by mapping out each step of your customer's journey, from the first point of contact to the final sale. Look for stages with high drop-off rates or longer-than-average progression times, which could indicate a problem. For example, if you notice that many potential customers view your product page but don't proceed to checkout, consider revising the page with clearer calls to action or more persuasive product descriptions.
- Experiment with different communication methods to engage leads more effectively. If you're relying solely on text or email, try incorporating instant messaging platforms or social media to reach out to potential customers. For instance, use Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp to send personalized messages shortly after a lead shows interest, as these platforms often have higher engagement rates and can facilitate quicker responses.
- Create a simple cost-benefit analysis tool to evaluate the p ...
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Improving Recruitment, Retention, and Training to Support Growth
Businesses face the challenge of retaining talent and ensuring growth. The conversation with the caller reveals strategies for improving recruitment, retention, and training.
Address High Turnover By Improving Compensation and Training
Caller Struggles With Retention; Boosting Trainer Pay and Streamlining Training Can Help
The caller expresses their struggle with retaining employees for more than a year since workers often leave for trades with seemingly better opportunities. The caller wants to make their roles more appealing for long-term career prospects. Alex Hormozi responds that by fixing the sales process and increasing prices, the company could find resources to pay their employees more, improving retention.
Incentivize Trainers to Reduce Time and Improve Quality
Trainer Bonuses for Reduced Timelines and Quality New Hires
To tackle the challenge of a six-week training period for new employees, which hampers the company's ability to meet the increased demand for services, Hormozi proposes a strategy to incentivize training efficiency. He suggests offering current employees bonuses for training new hires within a shorter timeframe, allowing the company to grow its workforce more rapidly. This can be paired with an increase in ad spending to drive leads, as long as there's sufficient staff to meet the service demand.
Empower Employees to Take Responsibility and Earn More
Boost Ad Spend and Revenue to Fund Higher Wages, Motivating Employees to Take On More Responsibility and Contribute To Growth
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Counterarguments
- While increasing compensation can help with retention, it's not a one-size-fits-all solution; other factors like work-life balance, career development opportunities, and company culture also play significant roles in employee satisfaction and retention.
- Boosting trainer pay might not be financially feasible for all companies, especially small businesses with tight budgets; alternative solutions like non-monetary recognition or career development opportunities could also be considered.
- Streamlining training could potentially compromise the quality of training if not done carefully; it's important to balance efficiency with thoroughness.
- Incentivizing trainers to reduce training time might lead to rushed training sessions that don't fully prepare new hires for their roles, potentially affecting long-term performance and customer satisfaction.
- Offering bonuses for reduced timelines could create a competitive rather than collaborative training environment, which might not be conducive to learning or team cohesion.
- Empowering employees to take on more responsibility is positive, but it should be matched with appropriate support and resources to prevent burnout or overwhelm.
- Boosting ad spend to increase revenue assumes that the market demand can sustain the increased lead generation and that the company has the operational capacity to handle growth without compromising quality or service.
- The bonus system for trai ...
Actionables
- You can create a peer recognition program where employees nominate colleagues for rewards based on their contributions to training and efficiency. This encourages a culture of appreciation and motivates everyone to contribute to the company's growth. For example, set up a simple nomination box or digital form where employees can submit the names of peers who have gone above and beyond in training new hires or improving processes.
- Develop a mentorship program pairing new hires with seasoned employees to foster a sense of responsibility and accelerate the training process. This not only helps new employees become operational faster but also gives experienced staff a sense of purpose and investment in the company's success. For instance, assign each new hire a mentor and schedule regular check-ins to discuss progress and address any challenges.
- Implement a su ...
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Analyzing Key Business Metrics to Make Strategic Decisions
A caller discusses their company's annual retention rate and churn numbers, and Alex Hormozi advises on the importance of focusing on the right metrics to make strategic decisions.
Focus On Post-Conversion Churn Rather Than Overall Churn
Hormozi emphasizes the need to understand post-conversion churn, the rate at which paying subscribers cancel, instead of overall churn which includes trial users. This is crucial for accurate measurement and assessing the true health of a subscription business. The caller's company has a 7% post-conversion churn rate, a figure that suggests room for improvement but doesn't include trial data, which can obscure true retention.
Optimize Free Trial to Drive Activation and Retention
To tackle the issue of churn, Hormozi recommends converting the free trial into a "penalty-based" model. This would mean charging customers upfront and offering a rebate for actively using the app within a certain period. Significant success is reported when users sell a fence within the first 10 days, with churn becoming rare after this initial victory.
Use Insights to Guide Decision-Making and Resource Allocation
Using insights from churn and activation data, businesses can make wiser decisions about where to invest their resources. Caller #1 cites a cost of customer acquisition (CAC) at roughly $130, and at times, when an ad performs well, the cost per lead co ...
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Counterarguments
- Focusing solely on post-conversion churn may overlook valuable insights that can be gleaned from analyzing overall churn, including the behavior and preferences of trial users.
- A penalty-based model for free trials could potentially deter users who are wary of upfront costs and prefer a risk-free trial experience.
- Optimizing for activation and retention during the free trial may not address underlying issues with the product or service that could be causing churn post-conversion.
- Using churn and activation data to guide decision-making assumes that these metrics are the most significant drivers of business health, which may not always be the case.
- Increasing advertising spend based on the initial ROI may not be sustainable or effective in the long term, especially if market conditions change or if the increased spend does not lead to proportional increases in customer lifetime value. ...
Actionables
- You can create a personal feedback loop by tracking your daily habits and identifying which ones you tend to drop after a short period. Just like businesses track post-conversion churn to understand customer drop-off, monitor your own 'conversion' to new habits and see which ones don't stick. For example, if you start a new exercise routine, note the point at which you stop following through and analyze why to prevent future 'churn'.
- Develop a reward system for your personal goals that mimics a penalty-based model. If you're trying to learn a new language, set milestones and if you don't meet them, have a penalty in place, such as donating to a charity or doing extra chores. This can help reinforce commitment to your goals, similar to how businesses might convert free trials to penalty-based models to ensure customer retention.
- Use a simple spreadsh ...
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