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Iran War Expert: The 8 Most Dangerous Weeks Begin Now, A Cyberattack Could Knock Out The Internet! | Prof Robert Pape

By Steven Bartlett

In this episode of The Diary Of A CEO, Steven Bartlett speaks with Professor Robert Pape about converging global crises that threaten to escalate into direct conflict between major powers. Pape analyzes the Trump administration's Iran strategy as a pattern of doubling down on military action despite failures, driven by domestic political pressures and looming midterm deadlines. He identifies the eight weeks following the midterm elections as a particularly dangerous period, with Iran escalation, Russian attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure, and potential domestic unrest all converging simultaneously.

The conversation covers the shift of political violence from fringe extremism to mainstream support, the interconnected nature of global conflicts affecting energy prices and cyber security, and the real possibility of these crises crossing into direct military engagement. Pape outlines specific interventions that could prevent worst-case scenarios, including congressional commitments to limit escalation and citizen engagement in shaping policy through public awareness and pressure on representatives.

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Trump's Iran Strategy: A Gambler's Escalation

Robert Pape describes the Trump administration's Iran strategy as mirroring a gambler on a losing streak, continuously doubling down on military action despite mounting failures. Trump's initial strikes targeting Iranian leadership failed to weaken Iran's control of the Strait of Hormuz, through which 20% of global oil flows. This led to rising gas prices and economic consequences—essentially losing political "chips." Rather than cutting losses, Trump escalated to a six-week air campaign, but Iran neither collapsed nor conceded.

These foreign policy failures translate into domestic political risk. Pape notes that party support acts like borrowed chips in a casino; each failed bet erodes Republican trust. With midterms and January's congressional transition looming, Trump faces a deadline similar to a bookie's payment demand. His political agenda, MAGA legacy, and even his family's cryptocurrency wealth—which depends on maintaining power—are all at stake.

Pape contrasts rational chess strategy, where losing players offer draws, with political reality that resembles roulette. Leaders like Trump feel compelled to double down rather than accept negotiated settlements, much as Lyndon Johnson escalated in Vietnam. Trump cannot simply "relax and golf" for two years, Pape explains, because that would brand him a failed president like Carter or Johnson—an unacceptable legacy that drives further escalation.

The next bet is already in motion: Trump has removed embassy families from Gulf states and ordered 96-hour executable attack plans. The proposed three-day bombing campaign targets 84 Iranian sites including leadership, infrastructure, and IRGC command centers. Pape warns this mirrors the Gulf War's "Instant Thunder," which was planned for three days but extended to 43 days and failed to paralyze Iraq's military. Once this campaign begins, stopping the escalation cycle will be extremely difficult.

Eight Dangerous Weeks: Converging Crises

The eight weeks following the midterm elections represent what Pape calls the most dangerous period for American democracy since the Civil War. This window—from ballot counting through congressional certification—coincides with escalating tensions with Iran and renewed Russian aggression in Ukraine.

The domestic situation is particularly volatile. Polling reveals that over 40 million Americans support deploying military force to suppress anti-Trump protests, while more than 60 million back using force to prevent Trump's return—a number that doubled since September 2024. If Democrats win Congress, they could issue subpoenas and impeach not just Trump but key cabinet members, creating operational chaos. The potential for mass protests and federal force deployment raises the specter of troops in American streets.

Simultaneously, Trump's Iran escalation is scheduled for this same period, with a three-day air campaign planned in coordination with Israel. Pape warns that remnants of Iran's military would retain significant retaliatory capability, risking region-wide escalation and thousands of civilian casualties.

Meanwhile, Putin is recalibrating his Ukraine strategy. Unable to secure formal territorial concessions through Trump's pressure on Kyiv—since only President Zelensky can deliver those, at existential personal risk—Putin is launching a winter campaign targeting power infrastructure in Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Odessa. The goal is to knock out 90% of power for up to two months, plunging millions into a humanitarian crisis designed to break Ukrainian resistance.

Violent Populism: From Fringe to Mainstream

Pape defines violent populism as the moment when political violence shifts from isolated extremists to broad mainstream participation. The "combustible material" fueling this is the tens of millions of Americans on both sides willing to support political violence. While this latent support is measurable, the spark that ignites it—confrontations, inflammatory rhetoric, threats to election legitimacy—is unpredictable.

January 6th exemplifies how leaders mobilize violent populism. Pape details how Trump's December 19, 2020 tweet called supporters to Washington, and his subsequent rally speech urged them to march on the Capitol. Another tweet blaming Mike Pence became the pivotal spark that sent the crowd storming through multiple entry points, chanting "hang Mike Pence." Social media's ability to instantly spread information turns isolated incidents into widespread movements that outpace institutional responses.

To prevent mass mobilization, Pape recommends focusing on firebreaks rather than waiting for sparks. One key measure is implementing a moratorium on deploying federally armed agents—especially around ballot counting—without local authorization. Governors and mayors should call for such moratoriums to prevent federal law enforcement from becoming the focal point that mobilizes millions predisposed to violence.

Interconnected Global Crises

Pape observes that conflicts in Iran and Ukraine are no longer isolated but interconnected crises amplifying each other's dangers. Rising energy prices from the Iran war and Ukraine winter attacks are sparking riots in France that have spread across Europe. These international issues converge to produce real-time reactions in the global economy and public discourse, creating feedback loops that worsen anxiety and governmental tension.

Cyber attacks have emerged as a new front. The UK government's "Be Ready" campaign urges citizens to stockpile three days of essentials—water, food, torches, cash—to prepare for cyber warfare or infrastructure collapse. This unprecedented warning has triggered panic buying. Pape notes that cyber attacks on utilities, like the July Minnesota outages suspected to be Iranian in origin, create real-world disruptions that provoke public demands for retaliation. If Russian-backed attacks intensify, European publics may pressure governments for direct retaliation against Moscow, rather than just proxy support for Ukraine.

Pape warns that the convergence of these three crises could cross the threshold from proxy conflicts to direct military engagement between major powers—what would constitute World War III. While the world isn't there yet, continued escalation through cyber attacks and retaliatory strikes could quickly close that gap.

Interventions to Prevent Escalation

Pape outlines crucial "firebreaks" that can prevent worst-case outcomes. Every member of Congress should publicly commit to no U.S. escalation in Iran until the new Congress is seated, unless Iran attacks first. This provides Trump an off-ramp while serving as a vital check on executive authority.

Credible mediators like Pakistan, Qatar, and India should coordinate demands for a "hands off civilians" principle, pressing all states to avoid targeting civilian infrastructure. During election certification, governors and mayors should call for a two-month moratorium on deploying federal agents to cities without local approval—a temporary safety measure to remove key sparks of violent populism.

Pape stresses that citizen engagement is vital. By contacting representatives and amplifying risk awareness through social media, the public can influence policy in real time. He notes that during a prior period of heightened Iran tension, robust public discussion led to preventing planned CENTCOM drone strikes, proving that citizen awareness can directly shape critical policy outcomes.

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  • The analogy of Trump's Iran strategy to a gambler on a losing streak may oversimplify the complexities of foreign policy decision-making, which often involves multiple actors, intelligence assessments, and strategic calculations beyond personal risk-taking behavior.
  • The assertion that Trump's initial strikes "failed" to weaken Iran's control of the Strait of Hormuz may not account for the deterrent effects or intelligence-gathering objectives that such operations can serve, even if immediate control was not achieved.
  • Rising gas prices and economic consequences are influenced by a range of global factors, not solely by U.S. actions toward Iran; attributing them primarily to Trump's strategy may overlook other market dynamics.
  • The claim that foreign policy failures directly erode party support and political capital may not fully consider the rally-around-the-flag effect, where leaders sometimes gain domestic support during international crises.
  • The idea that Trump escalated military action solely to protect his political legacy and personal interests, such as family cryptocurrency wealth, may not be substantiated by direct evidence and could be seen as speculative.
  • Comparing Trump's escalation to Lyndon Johnson's Vietnam policy may not account for significant differences in geopolitical context, military objectives, and public opinion between the two situations.
  • The prediction that military escalation against Iran would be extremely difficult to stop once begun does not consider the possibility of diplomatic interventions, international pressure, or internal U.S. checks and balances that could halt or limit further action.
  • The characterization of the eight weeks after the midterms as the "most dangerous period for American democracy since the Civil War" may be viewed as hyperbolic, given other periods of significant domestic unrest in U.S. history.
  • Polling data on Americans' willingness to support political violence may not accurately predict actual behavior, as expressed support in surveys does not always translate into real-world action.
  • The risk of mass protests and federal force deployment leading to troops on American streets, while possible, has not been a common outcome in recent U.S. history, even during periods of significant unrest.
  • The assertion that conflicts in Iran and Ukraine are directly interconnected may overstate the degree of coordination or causal linkage between the two crises, as each has distinct origins and dynamics.
  • While cyber attacks are a growing concern, government warnings and public preparedness campaigns are standard risk management practices and do not necessarily indicate imminent large-scale attacks or panic.
  • The suggestion that intensified Russian-backed cyber attacks would automatically lead to direct military retaliation by European governments may not account for the range of diplomatic and economic responses available.
  • The claim that the convergence of these crises could quickly escalate to World War III may be considered alarmist, as there are numerous diplomatic, economic, and military mechanisms in place to prevent such an outcome.
  • Congressional commitments to limit escalation are not always effective in constraining executive action, given the president's authority as commander-in-chief and the complexities of war powers legislation.
  • The effectiveness of citizen engagement in preventing military action, while notable in some cases, may be limited by classified information, executive discretion, and the pace of crisis decision-making.

Actionables

  • You can create a personal crisis response checklist that outlines what steps you and your household would take if faced with sudden disruptions like power outages, gas shortages, or civil unrest, so you’re prepared for cascading crises rather than reacting in panic. For example, list essential supplies, communication plans, and safe meeting points, and review it monthly to keep it current.
  • A practical way to reduce the risk of being swept up in violent populism is to set up a digital news filter that mutes inflammatory keywords and blocks sources known for sensationalism, helping you avoid emotionally charged content that can fuel polarization and impulsive reactions. For instance, use browser extensions or social media settings to filter out terms like “civil war,” “protest violence,” or “military crackdown.”
  • You can draft a template message for contacting local officials that requests transparency about any planned deployment of federal agents or military in your area, so you’re ready to quickly advocate for local oversight if tensions rise. Keep the message concise, respectful, and focused on the importance of community safety and democratic norms, and save it for rapid use if needed.

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Escalation Trap: Us/Trump Administration Doubling Down On Military Action Despite Failures

The Trump administration’s Iran strategy mirrors a gambler’s behavior, repeatedly doubling down on military action despite mounting failures and rising domestic and political risks.

Trump's Position Mirrors a Gambler on a Losing Streak Making Risky Bets to Recover Losses

Gambler's Cycle Begins as Military Success in Iran Fails Strategically; Iran Controls Strait of Hormuz, Impacting 20% of Global Oil Supply

Each escalation by President Trump can be read as a high-stakes bet. First, Trump believed attacking and possibly killing Iran’s Supreme Leader would weaken Iran’s resolve. This did not happen; Iran retained control of the vital Strait of Hormuz, through which 20% of the world’s oil flows, thus maintaining considerable leverage and contributing to increasing global gas prices. As these actions failed to bring about strategic success, American economic and political “chips” were lost—seen in rising gas prices, impacts to American lives, and higher interest rates.

Amid Initial Loss, Trump Bets on Air Campaign to Target Iranian Leadership, Hoping Dramatic Action Will Reverse Outcome

Failing to break Iran’s resistance with leadership-targeted strikes, Trump escalated to a major, six-week air campaign against Iranian targets, wagering that this dramatic escalation would force a reversal. However, after months of bombing, Iran had not collapsed or conceded, and gas prices continued to rise—marking another major loss.

Trump's Political Chips: Party Support and Maga Legacy at Risk With Military Failures and Rising Gas Prices Hurting Gop Prospects

These repeated foreign policy losses translated into political danger for Trump and the GOP. As Robert Pape notes, party support is like borrowed chips in a casino; every failed military bet further erodes trust among Republican senators and congressmen. If the midterms and the transition to a new Congress do not resolve in Trump’s favor, his political agenda and MAGA legacy become increasingly fragile, threatening his grip on the party and future prospects.

Trump Confronts a Deadline Akin to a Bookie's Payment Demand, as Midterms and January's Congressional Transition Decide His Party's Power to Support His Agenda and Safeguard His Crypto Interests

Trump faces a gambler’s deadline with the upcoming midterms and January’s congressional transition. As Pape describes, the chips he’s wagering are the political support and MAGA control needed to guard his interests. Should the GOP’s losses mount, support will evaporate, just as a bookie requires payment when the gambler falls behind.

Trump Family's Cryptocurrency Wealth Hinges On Maintaining Power

Financially, Trump and his family’s wealth—particularly in cryptocurrency and prediction markets—depends on retaining power. Trump’s rising or falling political fortunes are closely tied to the value of these investments. Steven Bartlett points out Trump’s family’s involvement in prediction market companies and the hold they have exercised over regulations. If Trump loses power, the paper value of these investments could disappear overnight, further intensifying the gambled stakes.

Chess vs. Roulette Explains why Trump Won't Accept a Negotiated Settlement Despite Its Strategic Rationality

Chess Players Recognize Losing Positions and Offer Draws; International Politics, Like Roulette, Sees Leaders Double Down Instead Of Accepting Losses

Robert Pape contrasts rational strategy in chess, where players facing a likely loss often offer a draw, with the actual dynamics of international politics, which resembles roulette. In chess, strategic calculation often leads good players to accept a drawn outcome to minimize losses. In politics, however, when behind, leaders like Trump feel compelled to double down—risking even more in hopes of a dramatic turnaround, rarely taking an exit even when it is rational.

Johnson's Vietnam: A Precedent for Presidential Loss-Chasing and Escalation

Pape draws parallels to Lyndon Johnson’s approach in Vietnam—escalating further as losses mounted, attempting again and again to avoid the stigma of failure and the collapse of his legacy. Such history shows that the compulsion to recover mounting losses is a political pattern, not unique to Trump or the MAGA movement.

Trump CanNot Relax and Golf For two Years as It Would Make Him Appear a Failed President, Like Carter and Johnson, Creating an Unacceptable Legacy

When asked why Trump doesn’t simply ride out the remainder of his term, Pape explains that presidents rarely choose this path because it would mean abandoning their party, agenda, and historical legacy—equivalent, in Trump’s mind, to being remembered as a failure like Carter or Johnson. This unacceptable outcome drives further escalation rather than a negotiated or de-escalatory ...

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  • While the text frames Trump’s actions as irrational escalation, some analysts argue that demonstrating military resolve can serve as a deterrent, signaling to adversaries that the U.S. is willing to defend its interests, which may prevent further provocations.
  • The assertion that military actions have categorically failed to achieve any strategic success is debated; some point to the degradation of Iranian proxy capabilities and the disruption of Iran’s regional influence as partial successes.
  • The analogy to gambling may oversimplify the complex calculations involved in foreign policy decision-making, which often includes input from military, intelligence, and diplomatic advisors rather than being driven solely by presidential impulse.
  • The claim that Trump’s family’s cryptocurrency wealth is directly dependent on political power is not universally accepted and lacks clear, publicly available evidence tying specific financial interests to policy decisions.
  • The comparison to Lyndon Johnson’s Vietnam escalation may not fully account for differences in geopolitical conte ...

Actionables

- You can track your own decision-making patterns by keeping a simple journal of moments when you double down on a failing plan instead of changing course, then review it weekly to spot and break the cycle of chasing losses in your personal or professional life.

  • A practical way to understand the risks of escalation is to set up a mock scenario for yourself where you intentionally pause before reacting to setbacks, then brainstorm at least three non-escalatory responses before choosing your next step, helping you practice restraint and creative problem-solving.
  • You can simulate the impact of high-stakes bets by assignin ...

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Eight Perilous Weeks: Three Crises Converge During Election Certification

The United States faces an unprecedented convergence of domestic and global crises in the eight weeks following the midterm elections. These “eight most dangerous weeks,” as Robert Pape describes them, coincide with the tumultuous transition of power, escalating tensions with Iran, and renewed aggression from Russia in Ukraine. Together they threaten not just American democracy but global security and stability.

Post-Midterm Power Transition Heightens Risk of Domestic Political Violence in U.S. Since Civil War

The period from when votes are cast to when Congress officially certifies the election outcome is the single most vulnerable moment for American democracy since the Civil War. From the moment the ballots are counted until the new victors are seated—a process stretched over two months—political uncertainty and polarization reach their zenith.

Pape emphasizes that this is when violent populism is most likely to erupt, as was seen during the January 6th Capitol breach. The prospect of either Trump or Democrats refusing to accept the election results could ignite unrest, especially while ballots remain uncertified and both sides mobilize protests. If counting and legal disputes drag on, public trust erodes and volatile situations escalate.

Polling reveals the fragility of American civil peace: over 40 million Americans support deploying the military to suppress anti-Trump protests, while more than 60 million back the use of force to prevent Trump’s return to the presidency—a number that doubled since just September 2024. These elevated tensions, compared to previous years marked by attempts on political leaders' lives, underscore unprecedented levels of support for domestic political violence.

If Democrats win control of Congress, their constitutional authority would allow them to issue subpoenas and initiate impeachment—not solely targeting President Trump but also key cabinet members like the Secretaries of Defense, Homeland Security, or Agriculture. This would create operational chaos, paralyzing essential government functions and threatening the very core of the Trump presidency. According to Pape, there is no political bottom to this spiral; ongoing cabinet purges and mass removals could spark further unrest and government breakdown.

The looming potential for mass protests and direct confrontation between demonstrators and federal forces raises the specter of deploying American troops in the streets—a scenario not seen since the civil rights era of the 1950s and 60s. Amidst an international backdrop, such domestic instability could cascade into a full-blown emergency where the Insurrection Act is invoked, plunging the nation into deeper crisis.

Iran Conflict Escalation Aligns With Election Crisis, Reinforcing Instability

Compounding the domestic crisis, the election period coincides with President Trump’s long-promised escalation against Iran. In the immediate aftermath of the midterms, U.S. military and intelligence have made concrete preparations for coordinated strikes, with Israeli involvement, targeting Iran over a projected three-day campaign. Trump repeatedly frames this as “decision time,” weighing between negotiation and definitive action.

The anticipated air war, modeled after the “instant thunder” campaign against Saddam Hussein in 1991, aims to cripple Iranian military capacity. Yet, as Pape warns from decades of analysis and modeling, history shows initial successes do not paralyze adversaries; remnants of Iran’s military would retain significant retaliatory power. This includes the capability to strike U.S. regional bases, airports, and to launch missile or cyber attacks—just as Hussein retaliated against Saudi and American targets with Scud missiles, despite intense bombings.

Prolonged bombing campaigns almost inevitably devolve into deeper U.S. involvement. Decentralized Iranian retaliation, unfolding with its own momentum, risks region-wide escalation and significant civilian casualties—between five and fifteen thousand were killed ...

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Clarifications

  • Election certification is the formal process by which state and federal authorities verify and confirm the official results of an election. It involves validating vote counts, resolving disputes, and ensuring all legal requirements are met before results become official. Congress then meets to certify the Electoral College votes for presidential elections, finalizing the outcome. This process ensures the legitimacy and peaceful transfer of power in the U.S. political system.
  • On January 6, 2021, supporters of then-President Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol to disrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election results. The breach resulted in extensive property damage, multiple injuries, and several deaths. It exposed deep political divisions and raised concerns about the resilience of American democracy. The event led to numerous arrests and ongoing investigations into domestic extremism.
  • Violent populism refers to political movements that claim to represent "the people" against elites but use or incite violence to achieve their goals. It often emerges from deep social or economic grievances and distrust in institutions. Such movements can destabilize democracies by undermining rule of law and promoting conflict. Their actions typically aim to intimidate opponents and disrupt normal political processes.
  • Congress has the constitutional power to issue subpoenas to compel individuals to provide testimony or documents during investigations. The House of Representatives can initiate impeachment by approving articles of impeachment, which are formal charges against a federal official. The Senate then holds a trial to determine whether to convict and remove the official from office. This process is a key check on executive and judicial branch misconduct.
  • The Secretary of Defense oversees the U.S. military and national security operations. The Secretary of Homeland Security manages domestic security, including counterterrorism and disaster response. The Secretary of Agriculture handles policies related to farming, food safety, and rural development. These roles are crucial for maintaining government stability and responding to crises.
  • The Insurrection Act is a U.S. federal law that allows the president to deploy military forces within the country to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, or rebellion. Historically, it was used during the Civil War, Reconstruction, and the civil rights movement to enforce federal authority and protect citizens' rights. Its invocation is rare and controversial due to concerns about military involvement in domestic affairs. The Act balances federal power with states' rights but can override local law enforcement when necessary.
  • The "instant thunder" campaign refers to a rapid, intense air assault strategy used by the U.S. during the Gulf War in 1991. It aimed to quickly destroy Iraq's command and control infrastructure to paralyze military response. This approach relied on precision bombing and overwhelming force in the initial phase of the conflict. The goal was to minimize prolonged combat by crippling enemy capabilities early.
  • Iran possesses a diverse missile arsenal, including short- and medium-range ballistic missiles capable of striking regional targets. Its cyber capabilities enable attacks on critical infrastructure, government networks, and military systems. Iran uses proxy groups to extend its influence and conduct asymmetric warfare. These capabilities allow Iran to retaliate even under heavy military pressure.
  • The U.S. and Iran have a long history of hostility, rooted in the 1979 Iranian Revolution and subsequent hostage crisis. Israel views Iran as a major security threat due to Iran's nuclear ambitions and support for militant groups. The U.S. and Israel often coordinate military and intelligence efforts to counter Iran's influence in the Middle East. This cooperation includes planning potential strikes to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons or expanding regional power.
  • Ukrainian territorial concessions refer to Ukraine giving up control of certain regions to Russia, which would legitimize Russia's claims. Russia's annexation of oblasts means it has declared these Ukrainian regions as part of its own territory, despite international rejection. Such moves alter borders without Ukraine's consent, undermining its sovereignty and international law. This creates a major geopolitical conflict, as Ukraine and its allies refuse to recognize these annexations.
  • Ukrainian President Zelensky faces intense pressure because conceding territory is seen as betraying national sovereignty. Such concessions could provoke backlash from Ukraine’s military and citizens, who view territorial integrity as non-negotiable. This backlash might include political overthrow or even threats to Zelensky’s p ...

Counterarguments

  • While the post-election period is tense, U.S. democratic institutions have historically demonstrated resilience and the ability to manage transitions of power, even amid significant polarization.
  • The January 6th Capitol breach was a singular event, and there is no direct evidence that similar or larger-scale violent populism is inevitable or likely to recur at the same magnitude.
  • Polling on support for political violence can be influenced by question wording and context, and may not accurately predict actual willingness to engage in or support violence.
  • The invocation of the Insurrection Act and deployment of troops domestically remains a rare and highly controversial measure, with significant legal and political barriers.
  • The U.S. has previously managed simultaneous international and domestic crises without descending into chaos or government paralysis.
  • Military action against Iran, while risky, does not guarantee region-wide escalation; deterrence and diplomatic channels may still play a significant role in limiting conflict.
  • The Ukrainian government has consistently resisted external pressure to ...

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Populism and Political Violence: How Events Could Mobilize Millions

Political violence in the United States is no longer limited to fringe actors or isolated incidents. Robert Pape describes a new era of “violent populism,” in which violence shifts from the fringes to the mainstream and has the potential to mobilize millions.

Violent Populism: Political Violence Expands From Isolated Incidents to Mainstream Participation by Millions

Pape defines violent populism as the moment when political violence moves from being carried out by small numbers of extremists to attracting broad participation from the general population. Instead of an isolated political assassination or a localized protest—such as the Rodney King riots in the 1990s—violent populism manifests through strings of attacks and protests that quickly spread well beyond their points of origin.

Fuel for Violent Populism: Americans on Both Political Sides Support Political Violence, Showing Normalized Extremism

According to Pape, the “combustible material” fueling violent populism is the willingness of tens of millions of Americans on both the left and right to support political violence. He cites 40 million people supporting violence for Trump’s aims, and over 60 million supporting political violence against Trump’s goals. This widespread normalization of extremism means that, under the right conditions, unrest can quickly escalate from isolated to broad-based.

Spark Ignited by Confrontations, Violent Rhetoric, or Threats to Election Legitimacy

Pape likens violent populism to a wildfire. While the size of the “combustible material” is measurable, the spark that ignites it is unpredictable. Confrontations, inflammatory rhetoric, or threats to the legitimacy of elections can act as this catalyst—turning latent support for violence into mass action.

Violent Populism Spreads Rapidly: France Riots Expand Beyond Borders

Examples from abroad, like the recent riots in France, illustrate how violence can spread beyond a single city or country. What might begin as a protest in one place can escalate to multiple locations and even spill over to other nations. This rapid diffusion is a hallmark of modern violent populism.

Historical Examples Show Leaders Mobilizing Violent Populism Via Rhetoric and Digital Communication

The January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol exemplifies how leaders can mobilize violent populism.

Trump's Jan 6th Capitol Riot Incitement

Pape details how President Trump, with a tweet on December 19, 2020, called supporters to Washington, D.C. On the day of the rally, Trump addressed the crowd at the Ellipse and urged them to march on the Capitol. Another tweet blaming Mike Pence for letting him down was the pivotal spark that sent the assembled crowd storming the Capitol through multiple entry points.

Chants Of "Hang Mike Pence" Show how Communication Directs Violent Energy Toward Targets and Objectives

In the aftermath, the crowd’s chants—“hang Mike Pence”—demonstrated how targeted communication from leaders and social networks could rapidly direct mass anger toward specific objectives and individuals.

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  • Violent populism refers to political violence that gains widespread support beyond fringe groups, involving large segments of the population. It often arises when political leaders or movements use divisive rhetoric to mobilize ordinary people toward aggressive or violent actions. This phenomenon differs from isolated extremist acts by its scale and mainstream acceptance. It reflects a breakdown in political norms where violence becomes a normalized tool for achieving political goals.
  • Robert Pape is a political scientist known for his research on terrorism and political violence. He is a professor at the University of Chicago and founded the Chicago Project on Security and Terrorism. His work is influential because it combines empirical data with theory to explain why and how political violence occurs. His perspective is significant as it offers a scholarly, data-driven understanding of violent populism.
  • The Rodney King riots, also known as the 1992 Los Angeles riots, erupted after the acquittal of police officers filmed beating Rodney King, an African American motorist. The riots involved widespread violence, looting, and protests, primarily in Los Angeles. They are referenced to illustrate past political violence as localized and limited in scope. This contrasts with "violent populism," where violence spreads broadly and involves millions.
  • The numbers refer to large segments of the U.S. population who, according to surveys or studies, express some level of support for using political violence aligned with their political beliefs. "Supporting violence for Trump’s aims" means endorsing aggressive actions to achieve goals associated with Trump’s agenda. Conversely, "supporting political violence against Trump’s goals" means backing violent actions to oppose or prevent Trump’s objectives. These figures highlight deep polarization and widespread acceptance of violence as a political tool on both sides.
  • The metaphor "combustible material" refers to underlying conditions or factors that make political violence possible or likely. It includes widespread support for violence, social divisions, and grievances that create tension. Like dry wood or fuel in a fire, these conditions alone don't cause violence but can ignite it if triggered. This metaphor helps explain why violence can suddenly escalate when a triggering event occurs.
  • The January 6th U.S. Capitol attack was an unprecedented breach of the U.S. Capitol by supporters of then-President Trump aiming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. It disrupted the formal certification of Joe Biden's victory, raising concerns about democratic stability. The event exposed deep political divisions and the power of misinformation. It led to widespread condemnation, investigations, and increased security measures around government institutions.
  • President Trump's tweets in late 2020 repeatedly claimed the presidential election was stolen, undermining trust in the results. His December 19 tweet explicitly called supporters to gather in Washington, D.C., setting the stage for the January 6 rally. On January 6, his speech and subsequent tweet blaming Mike Pence for not overturning the election results intensified anger. These communications acted as direct calls to action, mobilizing supporters toward the Capitol attack.
  • The chant "hang Mike Pence" referred to calls by some rioters to execute then-Vice President Mike Pence during the January 6th Capitol attack. This was because Pence refused to overturn the 2020 presidential election results, which angered supporters of Donald Trump. The chant symbolized extreme anger and a threat of violence against a high-ranking government official. It highlighted how political rhetoric can incite targeted, violent actions.
  • Social media platforms enable instant sharing of videos, messages, and calls to action, reaching millions withi ...

Counterarguments

  • While surveys may show tens of millions expressing some support for political violence, actual participation in violent acts remains extremely rare, suggesting a significant gap between attitudes and real-world behavior.
  • The characterization of both left and right as equally predisposed to political violence may oversimplify complex political dynamics and ignore differences in motivations, scale, and context between groups.
  • The comparison between U.S. events and riots in France or other countries may overlook important cultural, historical, and institutional differences that affect how and why violence spreads.
  • The assertion that social media always accelerates violent populism may not account for the ways in which these platforms also enable rapid de-escalation, fact-checking, and counter-mobilization.
  • The recommendation to limit federal law enforcement presence could hinder necessary responses to genuine threats or emergencies, especially if local authorities ...

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Global Crises: How Simultaneous Wars Amplify Danger

Robert Pape describes an escalating global crisis in which wars in Iran and Ukraine, coupled with instability in the United States, are no longer isolated events but interconnected crises amplifying each other's dangers. This escalation increases the risk of broader conflict and system-wide disruptions across multiple countries simultaneously.

Iran Conflict, Ukraine War, US Domestic Instability Interconnected Economically and Psychologically

Pape observes that escalating conflicts in Iran and Ukraine intersect with economic and political instability within the US, generating feedback loops that worsen public anxiety and governmental tension. He forecasts rising gas and diesel prices, further contraction of the frozen housing market, and widespread economic deterioration. These conditions are not simply products of events in one country—they are actively interacting and feeding off one another, creating a mounting global crisis.

Rising Energy Prices From Iran War and Ukraine Winter Attacks Spark European Riots and American Instability Amid Widespread Economic Deterioration

Pape links rising energy prices caused by the Iran conflict and winter attacks in Ukraine to protests and riots, notably in France, which have spread to other parts of Europe. He references opinion poll data showing that increased prices due to the Iran war are a key factor driving unrest. This, he asserts, is not confined to Europe; major protests and instability are emerging in the United States as well, as energy and economic crises penetrate domestic life. These international issues are now converging, producing a world economy and public discourse that react to crises in real time.

Simultaneous Wars' Psychological Impact Pressures Retaliation as Populations Demand Action Against Aggressors

Beyond economics, the psychological effects of multiple ongoing wars heighten anxiety and increase public demands for government action. As Pape points out, people’s perceptions of insecurity and aggression push political leaders toward more aggressive responses, ratcheting up the risk of escalation.

Regional Escalation Pressures: A Ratcheting Effect on Conflict Management

Pape describes how contentious US elections and delayed transfer of power interact with crises abroad, compounding instability and increasing incentives for further escalation. These pressures build on each other, making it more difficult to de-escalate any one crisis in isolation.

Cyber Attacks: From Proxy Warfare to Direct Military Confrontation

Cyber attacks have become a new front in global conflict, moving the world closer to the risk of direct military engagement between major powers.

UK Government's "Be Ready" Campaign: Urges Citizens to Stockpile Supplies Amid Imminent Cyber Threats

Pape and Steven Bartlett discuss the UK government’s official "Be Ready" campaign. The campaign urges British households to stockpile at least three days’ worth of essentials—water, tinned food, battery or wind-up torches, radios, power banks, first aid kits, and physical cash—to prepare for cyber warfare, hostile state attacks, or a collapse of national infrastructure. This unprecedented public warning has already led to panic buying, stripping supermarket shelves and triggering a run on emergency supplies.

Cyber Attacks on Utilities Could Trigger Crises, Sparking Public Calls For Retaliation and Diplomatic Challenges

Pape details that cyber attacks on basic utilities—such as the July power and water outages in Minnesota, which US intelligence suspects were likely Iranian in origin—demonstrate how state-backed cyber operations can create real-world disruptions. When utilities and the internet are shut down for days instead of minutes, societies face crises that can provoke overwhelming public demand for retaliation, intensifying diplomatic and military challenges.

Europe May Face Pressure to Directly Retaliate Against Moscow if Cyber Attacks on Critical Infrastructure Persist, Beyond Proxy Support for Ukraine

If cyber attacks organized by Russia or its allies intensify, European publics may pressure their governments to respond not just with proxy measures but with direct retaliation against Moscow. This is a marked escalation from curr ...

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Clarifications

  • The Iran conflict involves tensions over Iran's nuclear program and regional influence, leading to military confrontations and sanctions. The Ukraine war began in 2014 with Russia's annexation of Crimea and escalated in 2022 with a full-scale Russian invasion. Both conflicts involve complex geopolitical rivalries between major powers and regional actors. These wars have significant global economic and security implications beyond their immediate regions.
  • A "frozen housing market" refers to a situation where buying and selling homes slows dramatically due to economic uncertainty or high costs. This stagnation reduces consumer spending and investment, worsening economic downturns. In crises, it signals reduced financial confidence and limits mobility for families and workers. It also strains related industries like construction and real estate services.
  • Rising energy prices increase living costs, straining household budgets and reducing disposable income. This economic pressure fuels public frustration and anger, especially among lower-income groups. Governments seen as unable to manage these costs face declining trust and legitimacy. Such conditions create fertile ground for protests and riots as people demand relief and policy changes.
  • Proxy warfare involves countries supporting third parties—such as militias, rebel groups, or allied states—to fight on their behalf, avoiding direct military confrontation. This allows major powers to influence conflicts and pursue strategic goals without deploying their own troops. Direct military engagement means the armed forces of two or more countries fight each other openly and directly on each other's territory. Proxy wars carry lower immediate risks of escalation compared to direct conflicts between major powers.
  • The UK government's "Be Ready" campaign was launched to prepare citizens for potential disruptions caused by cyber attacks targeting critical infrastructure. It aims to increase public resilience by encouraging households to have essential supplies on hand during emergencies. The campaign reflects growing concerns about state-sponsored cyber warfare that could disable utilities and services. This initiative marks a rare, official acknowledgment of cyber threats as a direct risk to civilian life.
  • Cyber attacks on utilities target essential services like electricity, water, and communications, disrupting daily life and safety. Such disruptions can halt hospitals, transportation, and emergency responses, causing widespread panic and economic damage. Prolonged outages increase public pressure on governments to respond aggressively to the attackers. This escalation risks turning cyber conflicts into broader military confrontations.
  • State-backed cyber operations are coordinated hacking activities sponsored or conducted by a government to achieve strategic goals. Attribution involves cybersecurity experts analyzing digital evidence like malware signatures, attack methods, and infrastructure to link attacks to specific countries. This process is complex and often uncertain due to deliberate obfuscation and use of proxy actors. Governments use intelligence, technical data, and geopolitical context to support attribution claims.
  • "Direct military engagement between major powers on each other's territory" means that the armed forces of one powerful country physically enter and fight within the land of another powerful country. This goes beyond supporting allies or using proxy forces by involving actual combat troops or military actions on foreign soil. Such engagements signify a major escalation because they risk full-scale war between the countries involved. It contrasts with indirect conflicts where countries avoid direct attacks on each other's homeland.
  • Contentious US elections r ...

Counterarguments

  • While global crises can interact, the degree of interconnectedness and amplification described may be overstated; many countries have robust systems and alliances that help contain and manage regional conflicts and economic shocks.
  • Historical precedent shows that even during periods of multiple simultaneous crises (e.g., the 1970s oil shocks, Cold War tensions), global system-wide collapse or direct great power war was avoided through diplomacy and institutional resilience.
  • Energy markets are complex and influenced by a wide range of factors beyond war, including technological advances, alternative suppliers, and strategic reserves, which can mitigate the impact of regional conflicts on global prices.
  • Protests and unrest in Europe and the US have multiple causes, including domestic political issues, inflation, and social movements, not solely rising energy prices or foreign wars.
  • The psychological impact of wars and crises varies across populations and is mediated by media, government messaging, and cultural factors; not all societies respond with heightened anxiety or demands for retaliation.
  • Contentious elections and delayed transfers of power in the US, while concerning, have not historically led to direct escalation of international conflicts.
  • Cyber attacks are a serious threat, but most have not resulted in direct military confrontation between major powers; international norms and d ...

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Firebreaks and Policies: Interventions to Prevent Worst Outcomes

Robert Pape outlines a series of crucial interventions—"firebreaks"—that can be implemented through policy, diplomatic channels, and grassroots engagement to prevent escalation and protect vulnerable populations during volatile times.

Congressional Action Can Prevent Iran Escalation Until New Congress, Unless Iran Strikes First

Pape asserts that every current member of Congress, whether in the lame duck session or newly elected, should publicly commit to a core firebreak: no escalation by the Trump administration in Iran until a new Congress is seated, unless Iran initiates an attack. This declaration would serve as a red line, signaling that any aggressive U.S. escalation in Iran absent Iranian provocation is unacceptable. Furthermore, this stance provides President Trump an off-ramp, allowing him to present any pause as an act of readiness and confidence rather than weakness or an attempt to recover from prior losses. Such a Congressional posture would interrupt any momentum toward escalation and act as a vital check on executive authority in this sensitive period.

Credible Mediating Nations Should Coordinate Demands for Humanitarian Protection as a Principle

Pape highlights the essential role of credible mediators like Pakistan, Qatar, and increasingly India—nations already involved in behind-the-scenes negotiations with powers like Russia and Ukraine. These mediators should lead a coordinated initiative to press all states to adopt a "hands off civilians" principle. This entails a categorical call for no direct targeting of civilian infrastructure or residential areas by state actors. Establishing this norm would help protect non-combatants in conflict and empower countries to support humanitarian protections from a neutral standpoint. Such a mediator-led initiative can reinforce the global expectation that civilian lives and infrastructure are off-limits in any state conflict.

Moratorium on Federal Agents in Cities Without Local Approval Prevents Violent Populism

During election certification and vote counting seasons, Pape advocates for every governor and mayor to call on President Trump for a two-month moratorium on deploying federally armed agents to cities unless expressly requested by local authorities. This unified call is not a condemnation of the federal government, but a specific safety measure designed to remove key sparks that could ignite violent populism—especially among ...

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Counterarguments

  • Publicly committing to no escalation in Iran until a new Congress is seated could signal to adversaries a temporary window of reduced U.S. resolve, potentially emboldening hostile actions or undermining deterrence.
  • Relying on Congressional declarations to check executive authority in foreign policy may be ineffective, as the President retains significant unilateral powers in military and diplomatic matters.
  • The effectiveness of credible mediating nations like Pakistan, Qatar, and India in enforcing a "hands off civilians" principle is limited, given their own complex geopolitical interests and varying human rights records.
  • Establishing global norms against targeting civilians, while laudable, often fails in practice due to lack of enforcement mechanisms and the realities of modern warfare, where civilian infrastructure is frequently dual-use.
  • A moratorium on deploying federal agents to cities without local approval could hinder the federal government’s ability to respond rapidly to genuine threats or emergencies that local authorities are unable or unwilling to address.
  • Temporarily removing federal agents might not address underlying causes of violent populism a ...

Actionables

- You can draft a short, respectful template message urging your congressional representatives to publicly clarify their stance on military escalation and share it with friends and family so they can easily send it too, multiplying your impact without needing to organize a campaign.

  • A practical way to support civilian protection norms is to use your social media to spotlight stories or news about civilian impacts in conflict zones, tagging mediating countries’ embassies or officials to encourage their involvement and show public backing for humanitarian principles.
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