In this episode of The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett, divorce attorney James Sexton discusses prenuptial agreements and the financial realities of divorce. Sexton reframes prenups as a choice between government-imposed rules and couple-created agreements, arguing that these conversations build communication skills and conflict resolution abilities. He addresses why society resists normalizing prenup discussions despite divorce statistics and explains that every marriage ends, making such planning rational rather than pessimistic.
Sexton also examines the complexities of divorce finances among high-net-worth individuals, including child support calculations, alimony considerations, and asset division. He identifies infidelity and financial stress as primary causes of divorce and discusses how cryptocurrency and complex income structures have added new layers of difficulty to divorce cases. The conversation concludes with practical advice on maintaining healthy relationships through communication, conflict resolution, and preserving individuality within partnerships.

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James Sexton explains that every marriage operates under a prenup—either written by the government or by the couple themselves. He argues that couples, not politicians driven by popularity contests, are best qualified to create rules for their own marriages. By framing prenups as a choice between government-imposed rules and couple-created agreements, Sexton shifts the conversation from confrontation to collaboration. He emphasizes that prenups should prompt meaningful, forward-thinking conversations rather than focus on predicting divorce.
Sexton views discussing prenups as a healthy exercise that builds communication skills and conflict resolution. While these conversations are often awkward and uncomfortable, making it through them provides couples with a sense of accomplishment and pride. He believes that the hard thing to do and the right thing to do are usually the same.
Despite high divorce rates, societal institutions and the wedding industry resist normalizing prenup discussions. Sexton describes being rejected by every wedding expo he approached, even when offering to focus purely on prenup information without negative messaging. Steven Bartlett highlights that almost 60% of marriages end in divorce, making conversations about separation statistically relevant. Sexton reinforces that every marriage ends, whether through death or divorce, making prenup discussions reasonable and essential. He compares prenups to preventive measures like medical checkups or seatbelts—not pessimism, but rational planning for realistic life outcomes.
Divorce among high-net-worth individuals involves complex issues of child support, alimony, asset division, and hidden wealth. In New York, child support is strictly percentage-based: 17% of gross income for one child, 25% for two, 29% for three, and 31% for four, less FICA deductions. Judges have considerable discretion, especially in celebrity cases, and can exceed standard percentages to maintain marital lifestyle or meet specific needs like private tuition or security details.
Alimony is designed to maintain the marital standard of living and help the lower-earning spouse regain earning capacity. Sexton observes that high-earning women may owe alimony to lower-earning men, which frequently provokes surprise and resistance from both sides due to societal perceptions about gender and self-sufficiency.
Asset division depends on when assets were acquired relative to marriage. Marital assets are divided equally, while separate property retains individual ownership. Spouses present during a partner's financial "growth phase" have stronger claims, as seen in high-profile divorces like those of Adele, Kelly Clarkson, and Jeff Bezos.
Sexton notes that public perceptions of celebrity wealth are often misleading. Many high-profile individuals appear affluent but are leveraged to the hilt, with leased cars, mortgaged homes, and little real wealth available for division. Ultra high-net-worth individuals employ complex financial structures—trusts, corporate entities, and intergenerational strategies—that make divorce asset division particularly challenging. Forensic accountants must trace asset ownership and differentiate between legitimate wealth preservation and fraudulent attempts to hide assets.
Legal battles over asset division and custody can consume disproportionate financial resources. Sexton cites a client who spent approximately $100,000 in legal fees on a custody battle over Thanksgiving scheduling, trivial by ordinary standards but insignificant in the context of an $800 million net worth.
Sexton identifies infidelity and money as the two primary reasons for divorce, with financial stress being a major catalyst. Income loss—through poor business decisions, failed investments, or gambling—puts tremendous strain on marriages. He describes a period when many clients attempted day trading, borrowing against retirement accounts and taking outsized risks that led to devastating asset losses and subsequent divorces.
Cryptocurrency has introduced new complexity to divorce cases. Sexton notes that people sometimes use crypto to hide assets, and early in the crypto era, most divorce lawyers and judges had little understanding of blockchain technology. Explaining concepts like Ethereum, Bitcoin, or hard wallets was especially difficult with older judges.
Representing clients with complex income structures requires continuous education about diverse financial instruments. Sexton had to familiarize himself with surgeons' payment systems and hedge fund capital accounts to effectively identify hidden assets and protect clients' interests during asset division.
Sexton emphasizes the importance of maintaining individuality within relationships, saying there's "the you, the me, and the we." Each partner should stay true to themselves while also giving their partner space to change and evolve. He compares partnership care to watering a plant, stressing that the shared "we" requires intentional nurture and attention to sustain connection.
Healthy relationships need communication about changes and concerns, especially around uncomfortable topics. Sexton advises partners to regularly ask, "Are we okay? Is everything good?" even when these questions feel awkward. By noticing and discussing when things change, couples can proactively address shifts in values or behaviors before silent resentment builds.
Steven Bartlett shares that he's most proud of his relationship's ability to resolve conflict without resentment, rather than an illusion of perfection. He describes coming through challenges feeling proud of each other, which strengthens their bond and deepens their partnership. Sexton affirms that no relationship should be perfect, describing things as "perfectly imperfect." Embracing imperfection allows couples to appreciate their authentic connection rather than pursuing an unattainable ideal.
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James Sexton explains that every person who marries has a prenup—either written by the government or by the couple themselves. He believes couples, not politicians, are the best qualified to create the rules of their own marriages. Sexton notes politicians achieve their positions by popularity contests, aim to offend as few people as possible, and their policies frequently change, making it illogical to accept a government-imposed rule set for something as meaningful as marriage. He frames the discussion by asking if it makes sense to let politicians decide how a marriage operates, or if it is better for the couple to decide together. By presenting prenups as a choice between government rules and couple-created agreements, Sexton shifts the conversation from confrontation to collaboration. Creating a prenup together allows couples to live in accordance with their shared values and refer to their agreement when issues occur. He emphasizes that prenups should prompt meaningful, forward-thinking conversations rather than focus on predicting divorce.
Sexton views simply talking about prenups as a healthy exercise for couples. Numerous people have told him that his public discussions inspired them to have meaningful conversations about prenups and their future relationships. He describes these as valuable and rewarding talks. Sexton admits that discussing prenups is often awkward and uncomfortable, but making it through these challenging conversations provides a sense of accomplishment and pride—"we did that thing," he says, highlighting the relationship’s resilience. These difficult moments foster skills in conflict resolution and communication, helping couples build confidence in navigating tough topics together. Sexton believes that the hard thing to do and the right thing to do are usually the same, and that facing these topics shows a couple can handle uncomfortable issues and come out stronger.
Despite high rates of divorce, societal institutions and the wedding industry often resist normalizing prenup discussions. Sexton describes reaching out to multiple large and small wedding expos to rent a table as a divorce and family law attorney, intending to focus purely on prenup information without negative messaging about marriage. He offered to provide all materials for approval and reassure organizers, but every expo refused, even though booth fees ran into thousands of dollars. He explains that organizers rejected him because even discussing prenups shatters the idealized vision that wedding expos promote. Sexton observes that wedding expos are filled with vendors from the multi-billion dollar "wedding industrial complex," all invested in romance and fantasy ra ...
Prenuptial Agreements: Importance, Approaching Conversations, Societal Resistance
Divorce among high-net-worth individuals is rarely straightforward, as James Sexton and Steven Bartlett reveal in their conversation. Issues of child support, alimony, asset division, and the complexities of hidden wealth make these cases particularly intricate.
Child support calculations in New York are strictly percentage-based, determined by the number of children: 17% of gross income for one child, 25% for two, 29% for three, and 31% for four children, less FICA deductions for Social Security and Medicare (7.65%).
Judges have considerable discretion, especially in cases involving celebrities or high-net-worth individuals. While there are theoretical caps on parental income, courts can exceed standard percentages to maintain the marital lifestyle or meet the specific security and educational needs of the children. For example, in celebrity divorces, expenses such as private tuition or security details are legitimate considerations. In one notable instance, child support reached $65,000 per month to cover private schooling, security, and the high-profile lifestyle of the child.
Child support is revisited every three years if either party's income shifts by 30% or more. Increases in income can trigger requests for higher support, keeping payments aligned with current financial circumstances and lifestyle needs.
Alimony, or spousal support, is designed both to maintain the marital standard of living and to help the lower-earning spouse regain earning capacity. Sexton observes that high-earning women may owe alimony to lower-earning men—a fact that frequently provokes surprise and resistance. Some women refuse to pay alimony on the basis of gender; conversely, some men decline support, even when entitled, due to societal perceptions about masculinity and self-sufficiency.
Alimony is especially relevant where one spouse sacrificed earning potential for the marriage. For example, if a physician moves internationally for her spouse and loses her license in the process, she may receive alimony until she can recover her earning power.
Asset division hinges on when the assets were acquired relative to marriage. Marital assets—accumulated during the marriage—are divided equally, while separate property retains individual ownership. Spouses who were present during a partner’s financial "growth phase" have stronger claims than those marrying after the bulk of wealth was established.
This is evident in high-profile music industry divorces and tech fortune splits: Adele’s and Kelly Clarkson’s ex-spouses benefited substantially because they were married during peak earning periods. In the case of Jeff Bezos, the largest settlement was awarded because his ex-wife was involved from Amazon’s inception. If a spouse enters after wealth has been established, their claims diminish, often due to premarital agreements.
Sexton notes that public perceptions of celebrities’ wealth are often misleading. Many high-profile individuals appear affluent due to luxury cars, mansions, and constant cash flow. However, these assets are frequently leased, homes are mortgaged, and lifestyles are leveraged to the hilt. In divorce proceedings, it often becomes apparent that these individuals owe more than they own, as entourages may siphon funds and variable income is overextended.
When a spouse investigates, seemingly substantial assets may turn out to be financed or leased—meaning little real wealth is actually available for division. Bank statements often reveal a much starker picture than the public persona suggests.
Ultra high-net-worth individuals (UHNWIs) employ complex financial structures—including trusts, corporate entities, and intergenera ...
Divorce Finances: Child Support, Alimony, Asset Division, Hidden Wealth, Forensic Accounting
Divorce attorney James Sexton identifies infidelity and money as the two primary reasons for divorce, emphasizing that financial distress is a major catalyst for marital breakdown.
Sexton explains that losing money—whether through poor business decisions, failed investments, or gambling—can put tremendous strain on a marriage. Unanticipated financial hardship often leads to heightened conflict and, eventually, divorce.
Sexton describes a period when many clients attempted day trading, often borrowing against retirement accounts and taking outsized risks. When these ventures failed, families faced devastating asset losses, which were often followed by divorce.
The rise of cryptocurrency has introduced a new layer of complexity to divorce cases. Sexton notes that people sometimes use crypto to hide assets during divorce. Early in the crypto era, most divorce lawyers and judges had little understanding of blockchain technology. Explaining the differences between Ethereum and Bitcoin, or discussing the relevance of hard wallets, was especially difficult with older judges who struggled to comprehend these concepts.
Sexton explains that representing clients with complex income structures, such as surgeons or hedge fund partners, requires learning the specific ways these professionals earn and can potentially hide money. For example, he had to familiarize himself with surgeons’ payment systems and typical expenses, as ...
Causes of Divorce: Infidelity and Financial Issues
James Sexton emphasizes the importance of maintaining individuality within a relationship, saying, "The you, the me, and the we. Because those are three different things. Like you be you, because you're who she fell in love with. And don't let you go too far from shore." He stresses that each partner should stay true to themselves, not letting the pressures of the relationship alter their core identity. This authenticity is crucial because it preserves the original attraction and respect developed at the beginning of the partnership.
Sexton also points out the importance of allowing partners to change and evolve: "Let her be her. Like make sure that she takes time to be her..." Recognizing and respecting that each partner might change over time is necessary. Rather than resisting these changes, couples should observe and discuss them, ensuring that each individual has the space to grow while maintaining the foundational connection that brought them together.
Sexton compares partnership care to watering a plant, saying, "Pay attention to the we. Make sure we're watering the plant." He underscores that the partnership has inherent value—"there's a reason why you found the we"—and this shared "we" requires intentional nurture and attention to sustain connection and prevent drift. Both partners must continually recognize and tend to what unites them, ensuring they don't lose sight of their shared purpose amid life's changes.
Sexton highlights the necessity of open communication about changes and concerns, particularly around uncomfortable subjects. He advises partners to ask, "Are we okay? Is everything good?" even when these questions feel awkward or difficult. Leaning into such conversations—because “the hard thing to do and the right thing to do are usually the same thing”—is vital in addressing issues before resentment builds.
By noticing and discussing when things change, couples can proactively assess and cope with shifts in values, behaviors, or circumstances. Sexton counsels, "If things change too much, I'm not saying resist it, but note it, pay attention." This kind of attention prevents silent resentments, ensuring partners move through change together.
He further underscores that difficult discussions are often the necessary and beneficial ones in a relationship; facing these moments promotes growth, understanding, and enduring intimacy.
Maintaining Healthy Relationships: Communication, Conflict Resolution, Individuality, Partnership Dynamics, and Preventing Divorce
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