In this episode of Rotten Mango, the podcast examines a fraternity incident at Cornell involving allegations of sexual assault and exploitation. The case centers on Jane Doe's encounters with multiple fraternity members over the course of an evening, with conflicting accounts about her level of intoxication, her ability to consent, and the nature of the interactions that took place.
The episode explores the significant discrepancies in testimonies from those involved, including contradictory descriptions of Jane Doe's apparent coherence versus her actual cognitive state under the influence of ketamine. The discussion covers how severe intoxication can create a disconnect between outward functionality and internal capacity to consent, the credibility of various parties based on their acknowledgment of memory gaps, and the Title IX panel's conclusions about sexual exploitation. The case highlights the complexities of determining consent when substance use and conflicting witness accounts obscure what actually occurred.

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The evening begins in the Alumni Room where Jane Doe engaged in a sexual act with Matthew and Jonathan while fraternity members watched. Jane Doe initially described this encounter as something she was "pretty okay" with, but in a 2026 lawsuit, she characterized it as rape.
Scott Kretschmar and Scott Norris decide to enter the Alumni Room, prompted by Diego Serabia's abrupt departure and a Snapchat message reading "free pussy in alumni." The Scotts claim their motivations were to borrow a vape and check on Diego, though they also expressed concern about the ambiguous text message. Upon entering, they report seeing Jane Doe laughing and conversing, appearing at ease with no signs of incapacitation. The Scotts stayed approximately five minutes before leaving, feeling reassured nothing concerning was happening.
Jane Doe later moves upstairs to the President's Room with Matthew and Winston. Accounts conflict about her state—Winston suggests she seemed oriented and engaged in conversation, even stating she couldn't feel the [restricted term]'s effects. However, Jane Doe denies this conversation and describes feeling extremely high with her eyes spinning and overwhelming tiredness. When rumors circulate and people gather outside listening, the group moves to the more private "Faux-Fis" room. Jane Doe describes feeling trapped there, with Matthew and Winston positioned in front of the door, blocking her exit.
Jane Doe wakes around 10 a.m. in Matthew's room with someone hovering over her, stating he intended to put his penis in her mouth. When she firmly says "no," he moves away. Shortly after, someone drives Jane Doe to her sorority house, where she loses consciousness.
The testimonies reveal significant inconsistencies regarding events in the alumni room, [restricted term] experiences, sexual activity, and memory reliability, complicating efforts to determine what actually occurred.
The Scotts give varying reasons for entering the alumni room, which the panel regards skeptically. Both claim Jane Doe appeared coherent and laughing without signs of incapacitation. However, the Scotts are confronted about references to "free pussy" in Snapchat messages, which undercuts their claims of innocent intentions. The panel ultimately finds them not guilty of sexual assault but guilty of sexual exploitation, concluding they entered intending to see someone naked without consent. The Scotts firmly deny seeing anyone unconscious, contradicting later claims.
Winston claims he snorted [restricted term] off Jane Doe's body and then felt its effects, initially describing himself as "unconscious" for about 30 minutes. He later clarifies he wasn't truly unconscious but rather "out of it," dissociated and drifting between sleeping and waking. This contradicts witness accounts stating everyone in the alumni room seemed awake and lively. Jane Doe has no detailed memory of taking [restricted term] but recalls using a hard surface to snort it, describing her post-[restricted term] state as "vague consciousness."
Winston claims the encounter was consensual, that Jane Doe initiated oral sex, and that everyone was relatively sober. Jane Doe describes the activity as coercive, recounting persistent requests for sex to which she eventually acquiesced after repeatedly expressing exhaustion. She reports feeling the most intoxicated she'd ever been, unable to form decisions and slurring her words.
Winston demonstrates selective memory, admitting to gaps and omissions about events not directly tied to accusations against him. He acknowledges feeling defensive due to the Title IX inquiry, leading him to rationalize and compartmentalize memories, undermining the reliability of his narrative.
The events reveal a progression of [restricted term] consumption with unclear timing and unknown quantities, resulting in severe intoxication for Jane Doe and conflicting perspectives on her apparent functionality.
Winston describes snorting [restricted term] off Jane Doe's body in the Alumni Room after receiving her consent. Later, Jane Doe reports being given more [restricted term] in the faux-fis room but cannot recall details about consumption, quantity, or who administered it. She describes profound intoxication, with her eyes spinning in opposite directions and trying to close them to stop the sensations. Jane Doe states she was at an "eight out of ten" on a personal intoxication scale—the highest she'd ever been—with large memory gaps and impaired perception. [restricted term] experts note that her symptoms, especially involuntary eye movement, indicate a "K-hole," a deeply dissociative state from a large or repeated dose.
Witnesses describe Jane Doe as coherent, engaged, and laughing, leading some to assume she was functional enough to consent. However, Jane Doe describes a severe dissociation between outward function and inward capacity—a "lights on, nobody home" experience where she could move and speak but wasn't mentally present or able to form meaningful decisions. This reveals a critical disconnect between outward signs of engagement and actual ability to consent under heavy substance influence.
Jane Doe describes the encounter as coercive, stating her agreement to sex came only after persistent requests rather than genuine desire. She explicitly states, "I do remember that both [Matthew and Winston] were asking me to have sex so many times that I finally gave in. To me, that felt like coercion." She felt trapped with Matthew and Winston sitting in front of the door blocking the exit, amplifying her sense of powerlessness. Despite expressing reluctance by saying she was tired and "I don't have it in me," this was treated as negotiable by the accused, who continued making requests.
There is ambiguity in interpreting Jane Doe's statements during the encounter. When someone entered asking if the group was "still going," she responded "Yeah, unfortunately" in what she describes as a sad, unenthusiastic tone, contradicting interpretations of her actions as genuine consent.
Jane Doe's severe intoxication directly raises questions about her capacity to consent. She described herself as "eight out of ten" on intoxication—the highest she'd ever been—unable to make decisions with slurred speech. She explains the [restricted term] altered her consciousness: "It's like you look like an operating human being... So it's like the lights are on, but nobody's home. Your brain is not functioning at its proper level." The repeated sexual requests, inability to leave with the accused blocking her exit, and cognitive impairment all indicate that coercion and intoxication severely undermined her ability to provide meaningful consent.
The evidence reveals patterns in how memory, self-awareness, and possible motivation shape each party's perceived trustworthiness.
Jane Doe openly admits to significant memory gaps, saying "I don't know how much they poured. I don't know where I took it from" and "There's a lot of time that elapsed... that I have no memory of whatsoever." This forthright acknowledgment is widely recognized as lending credibility to her account, since honest recognition of memory limitations suggests honesty. Jane Doe also reportedly analyzes her own contradictory statements, displaying complexity and self-awareness rarely present in deliberately deceptive accounts.
Winston justifies his participation with elaborate language, claiming he was "charmed by the energy"—a phrase so dramatically overwrought it raises suspicion. The accused also adopts a defensive posture with selective recall, and shifting stories about details like where they opened a Snapchat message suggest either genuine memory issues or possible strategic deception.
The Title IX panel's decisions reflect explicit skepticism towards the accused. The panel finds the two Scotts guilty of sexual exploitation, reasoning they purposefully entered the alumni room to see someone naked without consent, and explicitly disbelieves their excuses. The panel struggles with inconsistencies and contradictions in the accuseds' accounts, highlighting the difficulty in creating a clear and coherent record from their conflicting testimonies.
1-Page Summary
The evening begins in the Alumni Room with Matthew, Jonathan, and Jane Doe, as other fraternity members are present nearby. Reports indicate that Jane Doe engaged in a sexual act with Matthew and Jonathan while fraternity members watched. In the immediate aftermath, and throughout much of the initial Title IX investigation and early statements, Jane Doe described this encounter as something she was "pretty okay" with. However, in a lawsuit filed in 2026, her characterization shifted, stating that what happened was an instance of rape.
Meanwhile, Scott Kretschmar and Scott Norris (referred to as "the Scotts") are in another room with Diego Serabia. At some point, Diego leaves abruptly, which prompts concern. Simultaneously, Scott Kretschmar’s vape dies, and knowing that Jonathan in the Alumni Room has a vape, he proposes to Scott Norris that they both go there—aiming to borrow the vape and check on Diego.
Their motivations are complicated by a Snapchat message that had circulated, containing a crude text reading "free pussy in alumni." This message was considered a possible joke, but also raised some alarm among fraternity members, as it could suggest someone was in danger or something inappropriate was occurring. As they approach the Alumni Room, the Scotts express uncertainty—partly wanting to retrieve the vape, partly wanting to check on Diego, and partly responding to concerns raised by the ambiguous text.
When the Scotts enter the Alumni Room, they report seeing Jane Doe in bed with people under the covers. They state that Jane Doe was laughing, engaging in conversation, and appeared to be at ease. The Scotts did not witness any incapacitation, nudity, or visible drug use. In some accounts, Jane Doe herself corroborated that the Scotts tried to comfort her when she felt dizzy and nauseous, advising her to take her time in recovering. The Scotts stayed for a brief period, about five minutes, after which they felt reassured that nothing of concern was happening and left the room.
Later that night, Jane Doe moves upstairs to the President’s Room with Matthew and Winston. There is some dispute about her state at this point. According to at least one witness—possibly Winston—Jane Doe did not seem disoriented or incapacitated, and the group spent about an hour engaging in lively conversation. During this time, Jane Doe is quoted as saying she could not feel the effects of [restricted term]. However, in her own account to the Title IX panel, Jane Doe denies having this conversation or even entering the President’s Room for more than a moment. She describes feeling extremely high, with symptoms like her eyes spinning and be ...
Timeline of October 19th Fraternity Incident
The testimonies in this case, as presented and discussed, reveal significant inconsistencies regarding the events in the alumni room, experiences under the influence of [restricted term], the nature of sexual activity, and the reliability of memory in the accused’s account. These conflicts complicate efforts to ascertain the truth about what occurred.
Scott Norris and Scott Kay give varying reasons for entering the alumni room, such as checking on a vape, which appears dubious to the panel. Scott Kay claims his vape had died and knew Jonathan Newell had one inside, but this rationale is regarded with skepticism because the Scotts were not regulars in the alumni room. During their testimony, both Scotts say that Jane Doe appeared coherent, laughing, and talking with others, without signs of incapacitation or drug usage by anyone present.
The Scotts are confronted about their motivations, especially Scott Kay’s responses in a Snapchat group, where he references “free pussy” and describes the alumni situation as “firsthand POV. Not a bit.” This undercuts their claim of innocuous intentions and raises suspicions regarding their true reasons for being there. Despite these concerns, the panel ultimately finds them not guilty of sexual assault but guilty of sexual exploitation, concluding that they entered with the intent to see someone naked without consent.
They also firmly deny seeing anyone unconscious in the alumni room, which contradicts later claims from others that someone had lost consciousness.
Winston, the accused, claims he snorted [restricted term] off Jane Doe’s body and then felt its effects, describing himself as “unconscious” for about 30 minutes. However, he later clarifies to the panel that he was not truly unconscious but rather “out of it,” lying on the bed, looking at the ceiling, blinking, drifting in a state between sleeping and waking, and feeling dissociated. This version attempts to reconcile his state of altered consciousness with witness accounts that do not support anyone being visibly unconscious or asleep.
The Scotts, as well as others, state that everyone in the alumni room seemed awake and lively, challenging Winston’s claim. When asked, the Scotts assert that they would have checked on anyone they saw sleeping or passed out, but they did not observe this, again highlighting the discrepancy.
Jane Doe has no detailed memory of taking [restricted term] but recalls using a hard surface, possibly a chair, to snort it. She describes her post-[restricted term] state as “vague consciousness,” feeling functional but not mentally present, adding to the conflicting narratives regarding states of awareness.
There are sharp contrasts in the recollections about sexual activity in the faux-fis room. Winston claims the encounter was consensual, that Jane Doe initiated oral sex, and that the encounter lasted around two to three minutes. He then says Matthew proceeded with sex with Jane Doe, but that he doesn’t remember much about her activity with Matthew and only recalls his own participation. He suggests that everyone was relatively sober at this point, that there was no drug or alcohol use in the faux-fis, and insists he didn’t see Jane Doe take [restricted term].
Jane Doe, in contrast, describes the sexual activity as coercive, recounting persistent requests for sex from the men, to which she eventually acquiesced after re ...
Testimonies: Focus On Discrepancies and Inconsistencies
The events of the night reveal a progression of [restricted term] consumption with unclear timing and unknown quantities, resulting in severe intoxication for Jane Doe. Eyewitness accounts offer conflicting perspectives on Jane Doe's apparent functionality, raising important questions about capacity for consent.
Stephanie Soo describes the accused, Winston, in the alumni room, snorting [restricted term] off Jane Doe's body. Winston claims he asked Jane Doe if it was okay and she consented, laying out the [restricted term] around her belly button. While Winston snorted the [restricted term], Jane Doe pulled down his pants in a sexual manner. Others in the room described a charged, positive atmosphere. Another accused, whose statement is partially redacted, initially felt uncomfortable witnessing [restricted term] being snorted off Jane Doe but decided to participate due to the group's enthusiasm and after receiving Jane Doe's verbal consent.
Later, Jane Doe reports being given more [restricted term] in the faux-fis room but cannot recall details about how she consumed it, how much she took, or who administered it. She describes profound intoxication, stating her eyes felt like they were spinning in opposite directions and recalling trying to close them to make the sensations stop. She says she doesn't know how much was poured, where it came from, or even where she consumed it. The most memorable outcome was the final dose causing her eyes to jerk, a symptom [restricted term] experts and users associate not with casual use but with entering a “K-hole”—a deeply dissociative state resulting from a large or repeated dose.
Jane Doe states she was at an "eight out of ten" on a personal intoxication scale, the highest she had ever been. She recounts large gaps in her memory, periods of aimless talking or staring, and a feeling of detached communication. She describes her eyes as jerking uncontrollably and her perception as so impaired that she could barely process the world around her. She concludes that she was so debilitated she could not have communicated basic personal information or made real decisions.
Witness statements from the night claim that Jane Doe seemed coherent, engaged, laughing, and voluntarily initiating sexual contact, leading some present to assume that she was functional enough to consent. One accused admits that an internal alarm bell rang when seeing Jane Doe nude, but that it quickly faded due to her apparent enjoyment and verbal participation.
Jane Doe, however, describes a severe dissociation between her outward function ...
Ketamine's Role and Intoxication Levels During the Night
Jane Doe describes the encounter as coercive, emphasizing that her agreement to sex with Matthew and Winston came only after their persistent requests rather than from genuine desire. She explicitly states, "I do remember that both [Matthew and Winston] were asking me to have sex so many times that I finally gave in. To me, that felt like coercion." She recounts feeling trapped during the incident, specifically noting, "I just kind of felt trapped with Winston and Matthew. They're sitting in front of the door in front of the exit. I mean, things are still being asked of me sexually. [restricted term] is still being given to me during this point in time. It was just I don't think I felt like I could get out. I didn't want to, but I felt like I had to." Jane Doe characterizes her mental state as someone unable to assert her will, saying, "I couldn't get much of anything out."
Jane Doe openly expressed her reluctance to engage in sexual activity, telling Matthew that she was tired and saying, "I don't have it in me." She recalls, "When Matthew was asking me about having sex again while in the office space, I told him that I was tired. And I believe I said something along the lines of like, I don't have it in me." Despite her explicit expressions of fatigue, this reluctance was treated as negotiable by the accused, who continued to make requests for sex.
Jane Doe describes how she felt further trapped physically as Matthew and Winston sat in front of the door, blocking her potential exit from the office space, amplifying her sense of powerlessness and inability to refuse participation.
There is ambiguity in the interpretation of Jane Doe's statements and behaviors during the encounter. At one point, responding to erectile difficulty, she said, "I remember [Matthew] asking me to give him oral sex and he said he couldn't get erect. I told him that if he couldn't get himself erect, then I wouldn't be able to," which could be read as encouragement or as a defensive response in discomfort.
The accused, particularly Winston, claimed Jane Doe made prolonged eye contact with Matthew and interpreted this as romantic interest, yet Jane Doe's perspective on this is absent from the testimony.
Jane Doe describes an instance when someone entered the room, inquiring if the group was "still going." She responded, "Yeah, unfortunately," making it clear her reply was delivered in a sad, unenthusiastic tone, further contradicting inter ...
Intoxication and Jane Doe's Capacity to Consent
In evaluating the credibility of statements from Jane Doe and the accused, the evidence reveals patterns in how memory, self-awareness, and possible motivation shape each party’s perceived trustworthiness.
Jane Doe openly admits to significant memory gaps. She says, "I just remember [restricted term] was done because I had my nose on something. It's kind of like I want to say my nose was on a table, but it could be that my nose was actually on a chair. That's all I remember from that." She further states, "I don't know how much they poured. I don't know where I took it from. I don't know where it came from or how it got in my system." Highlighting the disorientation, she adds, "There's a lot of time that elapsed in the faux fist or whatever that I have no memory of whatsoever."
This forthright acknowledgment of what she does not recall is widely recognized—as Stephanie Soo notes—as lending credibility to her account, since many believe that honest recognition of memory limitations suggests honesty. In addition, Jane Doe reportedly analyzes her own contradictory statements regarding Matthew and Jonathan, displaying a level of complexity and self-awareness rarely present in deliberately deceptive accounts.
The accused, Winston, attempts to justify his participation in drug use with elaborate and ambiguous language. He claims he was "charmed by the energy" upon entering the alumni room, a phrase described as so dramatically overwrought that it fails to align with typical language used to describe a fraternity environment, thereby raising suspicion. This elaborate explanation seems calculated, as though designed to obscure rather than clarify motivations.
The accused also adopts a defensive posture in testimony, apparently omitting memories or providing selective recall. Their shifting story regarding the fake-fish visit—like discrepancies about where they opened a Snapchat message or when certain events took place—suggests either genuine memory issues or possible deception, especially when their testimony contradicts earlier accounts or omits key details in a manner that seems strategic.
The Title IX panel’s decisions reflect explicit skepticism towards the accused. The panel finds the two Scots guilty of sexual exploitation, reasoning that they purposefully entered the alumni room for the opportunity to see someone naked, someone who likely would not have consented. This is underlined by their lack of typical presence in that room, which the panel interprets as a pretext rather than a routine visit.
The panel explicitly disbelieves the excuse of going in to "check on Diego" or to "check out a vape." Furthermore, the decision expresses concern for Diego and strongly infers a voyeuristic motive. Despite these findings, the panel does not convict for sexual assault by its set standard, but the skepticism about the accuseds' motives and shifting stories is evident throughout the reasoning. The Scots, ...
Credibility Assessment of Parties' Statements and Motivations
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