In this episode of Rotten Mango, the host examines the murder of Denise and the forensic challenge that emerges when DNA evidence from the crime scene matches 13-year-old identical twins Hunter and Levi. The episode explores how standard DNA testing cannot distinguish between identical twins, as they share the same genetic markers, and how the specialized genomic sequencing required to differentiate them is prohibitively expensive and rarely used in court.
The episode details the police investigation, from the discovery of Denise's body to the interrogation of the Carte family. Both twins become suspects, but their conflicting stories and behaviors raise questions. Levi attributes facial scratches to a cat attack and claims a cerebral palsy diagnosis limits his physical capabilities, while Hunter's nervous demeanor and comments about his brother's interest in true crime add layers of complexity to the case.

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When identical twins become suspects in a crime, forensic science faces a major obstacle: their nearly identical nuclear DNA makes standard testing unable to distinguish between them. Standard DNA testing examines about 20 specific markers, but identical twins share the same STR markers, meaning both will return as matches to crime scene evidence.
To differentiate between identical twins, investigators must sequence the entire genome—around three billion base pairs—at extremely high depth. Only a small number of specialized labs worldwide can perform this analysis, with costs running into hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. This limitation has left serious crimes unresolved. In Berlin, a $6.5 million jewelry heist yielded DNA evidence that matched 27-year-old identical twin brothers H and A, but prosecutors couldn't prove which brother was involved, leading to both being released. Similarly, in Ohio, when a woman was raped and murdered, DNA traced back to 13-year-old identical twins Hunter and Levi, but conventional testing couldn't determine which boy was the perpetrator.
Because the technology is costly, specialized, and often challenged by defense attorneys as too confusing for juries, DNA evidence linking identical twins to crimes is seldom used in court, leaving critical cases unresolved.
When Denise misses lunch plans with her brother Daryl and doesn't respond to messages, Daryl goes to her house and discovers her body on the bed. The scene is disturbing: her pajamas are torn, there's blood between her legs, blankets cover her face, and a porcelain angel figurine sits on top. Police find cleaning chemicals and Pepto-Bismol bottles at the scene, with pink liquid observed on Denise and around her. Blood trails lead from the bedroom through the house to the backyard gate, and blood splatter on walls suggests a violent attack. Crucially, blood, hair, and DNA found under Denise's fingernails indicate a struggle took place.
Police canvass the neighborhood, requesting residents remove their shirts to check for scratch marks and collecting DNA samples. Suspicion initially falls on Daryl, partly because he discovered the body and remained calm during the 911 call. However, DNA evidence quickly rules him out. Police also investigate other neighbors, including a man named Dave seen wandering near Denise's house, but clear him as well. With neighbors ruled out, investigators and the community grapple with the possibility that Denise's death was a random act by an unknown killer still in the area.
Investigators bring the Carte family to the police station without officially detaining them, allowing them to question minors Hunter and Levi without mandatory attorney presence. When Becca questions whether their presence is mandatory and if they need legal representation, officers give vague responses while creating implicit pressure to comply. Officers persuade the family to move outside in the rain, then suggest coming to the station to get out of the weather. The family is placed in separate squad cars to isolate them, and at the station, they're brought through separate entrances. When Becca insists on being present with her minor sons and demands a lawyer, officers stall by distracting her and taking her phone.
Hunter appears nervous but chatty, volunteering personal details and admitting to watching true crime content, which he says makes him self-conscious about how his behavior might appear suspicious. His phone becomes a focal point—he claims the cracked screen and unreliable battery resulted from anger over video games and a charger mishap, potentially raising suspicion of evidence destruction. Hunter discusses his twin Levi, claiming Levi calls himself a narcissist and is fascinated with true crime, having researched serial killers. Hunter admits that he and his mother have considered whether Levi could be involved due to the timing of events and facial scratches, though he insists Levi wouldn't be capable of such a crime. Despite professing innocence, Hunter's constant self-analysis and unsolicited admissions create more suspicion than they dispel.
Levi's communication is evasive and his account lacks clarity. He describes the weekend as "a blur" and claims the family cat Marshmallow scratched him severely enough to require three hours of self-administered cleaning around 2 or 2:30 A.M. and five stitches in his nose. He says he didn't wake his parents to avoid being "an annoyance" before scheduled family photos, even though his mother isn't easily upset and he wouldn't appear in the photos. Levi describes taking a long shower without his usual shower chair—which he requires due to disability—saying it was too heavy to move quietly, and claims he fell in the shower and hit his head. Throughout the interview, Levi's casual demeanor and implausible explanations heighten investigators' suspicion.
According to Levi and his family, their cat Marshmallow scratched Levi's face during an early morning incident. The family was preparing to move to California, which had caused unusual behavior in the cat. Levi recalls waking with Marshmallow on his chest and, having experienced sleep paralysis before, was startled. When he tried to move the cat, both were spooked, resulting in Marshmallow scratching his arms and face, with a deep cut on the nose requiring five stitches. Both Hunter and Levi suggest Marshmallow's behavior may have been triggered by sounds related to Denise's murder across the street or anxiety from the upcoming move. By the time police questioned the family about a week later, the scratches on Levi's arms and neck had faded, though the nose scar remained visible. The timing of Levi's ER visit on the morning Denise was found raised investigators' suspicions, especially since Marshmallow had never attacked anyone so severely before.
Investigators discovered Levi has cerebral palsy, a group of disorders affecting movement and posture that impacts individuals variably. Levi describes that his CP severely limits his strength and stamina—he cannot stand for long periods or walk far without getting tired or risking a fall, and he's unable to lift objects like a shower chair by himself. Investigators must determine whether Levi's cerebral palsy would make it impossible or highly improbable for him to commit the physically demanding violent crime. While his self-expressed limitations suggest significant physical barriers, the broad spectrum of CP capabilities means the precise impact of his condition must be thoroughly evaluated before conclusively ruling him out or in as a suspect.
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Forensic science faces major hurdles when identical twins become suspects in a crime. Their near-identical nuclear DNA means standard DNA testing cannot distinguish between them, presenting a unique challenge for investigators and the justice system.
Standard DNA testing typically examines about 20 specific markers, which differ widely among individuals. However, identical twins share the same nuclear DNA and, therefore, the same STR (short tandem repeat) markers. This means when DNA from a crime scene is tested, both twins will return as matches, but this does not confirm if one or both are responsible.
For investigators to differentiate between identical twins, they must sequence the entire genome—around three billion base pairs—at extremely high depth. While there are subtle differences, such as minor mutations or "typos" in the DNA sequence, identifying them requires advanced and resource-intensive techniques. Currently, only a small number of specialized labs worldwide can perform this level of genomic analysis. The costs are prohibitive, often running into hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars, making such tests inaccessible for most cases.
The inability to distinguish between twins with conventional DNA testing can leave some serious crimes unresolved. For example, in Berlin, a daring heist at a luxury department store resulted in the theft of $6.5 million worth of jewelry. Surveillance footage captured the masked culprits, and a glove left behind yielded a bead of sweat for DNA analysis. The DNA matched not one, but two individuals with prior convictions—27-year-old identical twin brothers, H and A. Despite both being arrested, neither cooperated and the DNA evidence could not conclusively prove which, if not both, was involved. With no additional evidence, prosecutors could not meet the burden of proof, leading to both brothers’ release and leaving the high-profile case unsolved.
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Challenge Of Identifying the Guilty Twin Using Dna Evidence With Identical Dna Profiles
On a Sunday morning, Denise's brother Daryl becomes concerned when Denise misses their lunch plans and does not respond to his messages, the last of which is sent at 11:11 AM. By midday, Daryl goes to Denise's house, finds the front door unlocked, and discovers Denise lying on her bed. The scene is disturbing: her pajamas are ripped, exposing her chest, and she has blood between her legs. Her pajama pants are torn, and her blankets cover her face, topped with a porcelain angel figurine. This collectible-type figurine gives the scene a bizarre, possibly symbolic touch.
The police, upon entering, are perplexed by the odd scene. They initially question whether Daryl could have covered her, but confirm via dispatch that he found her like this. The presence of cleaning chemicals and Pepto-Bismol bottles further complicates the crime scene. Notably, pink liquid—identified as Pepto-Bismol—is observed on Denise and around her, making investigators consider possible chemical ingestion or an attempt to destroy biological evidence.
Trails of blood lead from Denise’s bedroom through the house, out the back door, and to the backyard gate, showing the victim or suspect’s movement and suggesting a struggle or escape. No fingerprints are found, indicating the likely use of gloves by the perpetrator. Blood splatter on the walls further supports the violent nature of the attack.
Although police initially entertain the possibility of self-harm since bottles of cleaning agents, prescription medication, and Pepto-Bismol are found on the scene, Daryl’s first statement to officers asserts that he believes Denise was sexually assaulted. Despite this, investigators consider if blood could be from self-inflicted injury or chemical ingestion, as Denise might have vomited blood. However, the forensic findings—including blood, hair, and DNA under Denise's fingernails—swiftly shift focus to violent crime and suggest a struggle took place.
With evidence indicating a violent assault, police expand their investigation to the neighborhood. Officers go door to door, requesting residents to remove their shirts so they can check for scratch marks, consistent with DNA and hair found under Denise’s nails. Body camera footage captures neighbo ...
Denise Murder Investigation: Crime Scene, Evidence Collection, Police Canvassing
Investigators return to the Carte home with the intent to separate Becca from her sons, Hunter and Levi, and interrogate the twins at the police station without officially detaining them. This strategy enables officers to question the minors without the mandatory presence of an attorney. When officers ask if the family can come to the station to discuss the incident across the street, Becca is apprehensive, questioning if their presence is mandatory and whether legal representation is needed. Officers only vaguely respond, “You’re welcome to call an attorney” and “You don’t have to do anything, I suppose,” but their physical presence and the tense atmosphere create implicit pressure for the family to comply.
To further persuade the family, officers suggest moving the conversation outdoors, leading the entire group onto the front lawn, where they stand in the rain holding their food and drinks. The officers then nudge them to come to the station so they won’t have to stand in the rain. Ultimately, Becca agrees. She and her sons are placed in different squad cars—an apparent tactic to isolate them and record any potentially incriminating remarks during the ride.
At the station, Becca and her children are brought in through separate entrances, deliberately keeping them apart. When Becca realizes this, she voices strong objections, insisting on being present with her minor sons and demanding a lawyer. Officers continue to stall: distracting her by urging her to eat, complimenting her slippers, and otherwise engaging in small talk while preventing her from contacting legal counsel by taking her phone. Stephanie Soo, the recounter of events, notes this mishandling could easily generate legal complications, as Ohio law does not explicitly require a parent or lawyer to be present before minors are questioned, but the officers’ tactics push legal and ethical boundaries.
During his interview, Hunter appears nervous but chatty, eating his food and sharing personal details about his life, sometimes before officers even prompt him. He admits to watching body camera and true crime content, explaining that his exposure to such media makes him self-conscious and prone to over-explaining, which can sound suspicious in itself. Hunter volunteers that he and the family are aware of how their behavior could be perceived as a red flag but tries to clarify their actions.
Hunter’s phone becomes a focal point when officers ask to review his searches. He claims the screen is cracked from having thrown it in anger over losing games, and that the battery is unreliable after a charger mishap—potentially a cover for destroying evidence, at least in the officers’ eyes. He adds he used to struggle with anger and has damaged electronics before, furthering the impression of volatility.
Hunter then discusses his twin brother Levi, claiming Levi often refers to himself as a narcissist and is highly familiar with sociopathic and manipulative behavior because of personal trauma and a fascination with true crime. According to Hunter, Levi has researched how many people one must kill to be considered a serial killer and is expressive about his emotions and difficult past, which Hunter both tries to defend and acknowledge as potential warning signs. He admits that he and his mother have considered whether Levi could be involved in the murder due to timing and facial scratches, although he ultimately insists that Levi would not be capable of such a crime. Hunter also describes the family’s collective anxiety and their discussions around the murder, referencing the cat scratches Levi had on the critical day and the subsequent trip to the ER.
Despite professing innocence for both himself and Levi, Hunter’s constant self-analysis, unsolicited admissions, and explicit references to suspicious cir ...
Police Interrogation Tactics and Suspicious Behavior of Hunter and Levi Carte
During the week leading up to the discovery of Denise's body, Levi sustained visible injuries to his face that would draw police attention. The source of these injuries became central to the investigation, as both the timing and circumstances surrounding them intersected closely with significant events.
According to Levi and corroborated by his family, their cat Marshmallow was responsible for the scratches on Levi’s face. The family was in the midst of preparing for a move to Long Beach, California, which had caused unusual behavior in their cat. Levi initially recalled waking up with Marshmallow lying on his chest. Having experienced sleep paralysis in the past, Levi was startled. When Levi tried to touch or move Marshmallow, both he and the cat were spooked, resulting in Marshmallow scratching Levi’s arms first and then his face, with a deep cut on the nose from Marshmallow’s largest claw. Levi described blood on the t-shirt he used under his pillow and recalls cleaning himself up in the bathroom, trying not to wake his family, but ultimately began crying and woke his mother around 5:30 a.m.
Hunter, who was seriously ill at the time, remembers seeing some blood on the bathroom sink from Levi’s attempts to clean his wounds before they went to the ER. Their mother later tried to clean up the blood, but there was still some visible after.
Levi and Hunter both suggest that Marshmallow’s behavior may have been triggered by unusual sounds related to the events surrounding Denise’s murder across the street. Both reference the general idea that animals can sense disturbance or danger, implying the cat may have been spooked by something happening outside, leading to the attack on Levi.
Stephanie Soo also reflects on the possibility that Marshmallow was reacting to disturbances from the neighborhood. Hunter describes Marshmallow as a generally needy cat with some trauma, and both siblings agree that the chaos of preparing for a move could have contributed to the cat's anxiety.
Levi required five stitches on his nose due to the depth of the scratch and was taken to the ER the same morning Denise's body was found. By the time police questioned the family, it had been about a week since the incident. The scratches on his face were healing, leaving a noticeable scar on the nose, while the other scratches on his arms and neck had largely faded. Hunter and Levi both note this coincided closely with the timeline of Denise’s discovery and subsequent medical attention.
Levi has other scars on his back from prior surgery, but the nose scratch from Marshmallow was new and still apparent.
The fact that Levi was in the ER getting stitches for the scratch on the very morning Denise was found across the street raised suspicions for investigators, especially since Marshmallow had never attacked anyone with such severity before. Police questioned the feasibility of the coincidence, and Levi’s own attempts to process aloud what happened may not have helped his credibility in their view.
Despite the explanations, the alignment of the ER visit for facial injuries and the discovery of Denise's body prompted the need for further scrutiny regarding Levi's activities and possible alibi during the critical hours.
As investigators looked deeper into Levi’s circumstances, they discovered he had cerebral palsy (CP), a group of disorders affecting movement and posture due to injury or abnormal development in the parts of the brain that control muscle coordination. CP affects peopl ...
Physical Evidence: Cat Scratches On Levi's Face and Cerebral Palsy Diagnosis Discovery
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