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Fantasy writers Madeline Miller and Susanna Clarke on their new short stories

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In this episode of NPR's Book of the Day, authors Madeline Miller and Susanna Clarke discuss their approaches to retelling classical myths and historical narratives through a contemporary lens. Miller explores how modern retellings can restore agency and complexity to female figures traditionally depicted as obstacles in male-centered stories, while Clarke examines how fantasy fiction can revive the mythological practice of personifying nature and recognizing the natural world as a conscious force.

The conversation covers the creative freedom authors have when reimagining classical sources, the importance of blending historical accuracy with imaginative invention, and how theatrical and childlike perspectives inform their writing processes. Both authors reflect on how their work challenges conventional literary approaches by centering internal perspectives, moral complexity, and a sense of wonder that transforms how readers perceive both ancient stories and the world around them.

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Female Agency in Classical Mythology and Modern Retellings

Classical mythology traditionally casts women as obstacles in the male hero's journey, but modern retellings are reimagining these figures with agency and complexity.

Women in Myths Punished For Power, Seen As Obstacles

Robin Young frames the women of the Odyssey according to tradition, humorously noting how Circe "turned his men into pigs" and the Sirens "tried to lure him to his death"—positioning powerful women as hurdles. Young notes that women's power is often depicted as trickery and danger. Madeline Miller observes that women and goddesses rarely receive power without punishment. Despite Homer's original depiction of Circe as an ally who guides Odysseus safely, traditional adaptations vilify her as a threatening sorceress.

Emily Wilson's 2017 translation of The Odyssey challenges this male-centric narrative with a feminist lens, insisting on the full complexity of female figures.

Retellings Empower Women With Agency, Complexity, and Internal Perspectives

Modern authors like Miller offer new perspectives where mythological women are neither obstacles nor merely deceptive. In her novel Circe, Miller portrays the character as an ally with her own motivations and regrets. Similarly, Miller transforms Mestra's story—the daughter repeatedly sold by her father who uses shapeshifting to escape—by giving her an internal world. Miller describes the process of "giving her a name, give her her own story, see the story from the interior," restoring Mestra's voice and autonomy.

Female Characters in Retellings Grow By Confronting Moral Complexity, Realizing Their Love-Driven Actions Might Perpetuate Harm

Agency also entails moral complexity. In Miller's retelling, Mestra must wrestle with the consequences of helping her father. Miller notes that "while she is acting out of love for her father, by continuing to feed his ravenous hunger, she is also allowing him to continue to try to take and take and take from the world." This confrontation with ethical dilemmas characterizes contemporary retellings, which portray female protagonists as complex agents capable of growth, doubt, and moral reckoning.

Adapting Myths and History Creatively

Authors Have Liberty In Reinterpreting Classical Sources, as Ancients Retold From Different Perspectives

Miller emphasizes the freedom authors have when revisiting classical myths, stating that "you can do, quote, 'whatever you want.'" She explains that myths were already retold by ancient storytellers from many different angles, establishing variation as tradition. This allows writers to choose which elements to retain, transform, or invent anew.

Blending Classical Sources With Original Creations for Modern Narratives

Miller takes liberties with myths, blending original elements into the classical frame. In "Mestra," she invents a scene where the father begins to eat pieces of his daughter, allowing her to explore new emotional territory while honoring the myth's spirit. Similarly, Susanna Clarke builds an entire medieval backstory off a brief reference in her novel Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, grounding fantasy in documented history by featuring the real figure Ranulf Flambard just after the Norman Conquest.

Multimedia Work Reimagines Stories With Fresh Visuals and Thematic Integrity

Clarke's collaboration with illustrator Victoria Sauden enhances her story by evoking the style of the Bayeux Tapestry. Clarke had to ensure historical accuracy—reminding Sauden that Norman castles were originally built from wood rather than stone. Through these adaptive approaches, authors and artists bring timeless myths and history to renewed life for modern audiences.

Nature as a Character With Agency in Mythology and Fantasy Fiction

Mythology Vitalized Nature, Modern Literature Neglects

Clarke observes that in classical Greek mythology, naiads and dryads personified nature's voice and will, recognizing nature as a force deserving attention. She notes that in contemporary literature, this tradition has faded, and without this sense of agency, modern humanity loses connection to the natural world, particularly when facing environmental crises.

Fantasy Restores Agency to Nature and Addresses Environmental Concerns

Clarke highlights that fantasy fiction functions as an heir to mythology, reviving nature spirits and restoring agency to rivers, trees, and forests. She stresses the importance of this approach as the natural world faces intensifying storms and species extinction. Her own fiction, such as her story of sentient English trees that assemble to encircle a town, animates nature as a conscious actor.

Childlike Perception Reveals Nature's Significance and Consciousness

Clarke agrees that approaching the world with a child's sense of wonder helps restore its vitality. She recounts the image of a misty autumn day with golden trees as a spiritual encounter—an opportunity to be moved by nature's presence. By retaining this childlike perspective, people remain open to the mysteries of the natural world and become better attuned to its importance.

The Author's Creative Process: Theatrical Thinking and Childlike Wonder

Theatrical Methods Inform how Authors Visualize and Inhabit Narratives

Miller describes her writing process as rooted in her background as a theater director. She approaches writing like a method actor, visualizing her narrative as if on a stage and mentally inhabiting her characters' consciousness. Miller refers to herself as a "method writer," immersing herself in the emotional states of her characters to guide readers on a journey where they truly live inside the characters' perspectives.

Imaginative Thinking in Adulthood Creates Rich Mythological and Speculative Fiction

Clarke reveals her struggle to write conventional fiction, admitting the attempt felt unsatisfying. When she gave up on trying to fit into literary conventions, she discovered her authentic voice and returned to writing fantasy. By embracing her imaginative tendencies, she prioritizes imaginative truth—the authenticity that comes from writing what stems naturally from her own vision.

Dual Consciousness Transforms Perception of Reality Through the Mundane and Fictional Worlds

Clarke discusses how she inhabits two worlds simultaneously: the tangible, everyday one and the fictional universe of Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell. This dual consciousness transforms mundane experiences—an ordinary train ride becomes a moment of profound connection when touched by the sight of glowing autumnal trees. For Clarke, no scenery is simply background; it is part of a magical, reverent world deserving of attention.

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Counterarguments

  • While modern retellings emphasize female agency, some critics argue that these reinterpretations may impose contemporary values onto ancient texts, potentially distorting their original cultural context.
  • The claim that classical mythology uniformly punishes women for power overlooks examples of powerful female figures who are revered or respected, such as Athena or Artemis.
  • The assertion that traditional adaptations always vilify figures like Circe may not account for the diversity of interpretations across different historical periods and cultures.
  • Some scholars suggest that the focus on female agency in modern retellings can risk reducing male characters to simplistic antagonists, potentially reversing rather than resolving gendered stereotypes.
  • The idea that fantasy fiction uniquely restores agency to nature may understate the presence of environmental themes and nature’s personification in other literary genres, including modern realist fiction and poetry.
  • Emphasizing childlike wonder as the primary means of connecting with nature may not resonate with all readers, some of whom find meaning in scientific, philosophical, or pragmatic approaches to the natural world.
  • The blending of historical accuracy with imaginative elements in multimedia adaptations can sometimes create tension or confusion for audiences regarding what is factual versus fictional.

Actionables

  • you can rewrite a well-known myth or fairy tale from the perspective of a traditionally sidelined female or nature-based character, focusing on their motivations, doubts, and growth to practice seeing complexity where it’s often ignored; for example, retell the story of Medusa as a personal journal entry exploring her feelings about transformation and power.
  • a practical way to reconnect with nature’s agency is to spend a few minutes each day observing a natural element (like a tree, stream, or patch of grass) and imagine what it might say or feel if it had a voice, then jot down a short dialogue or poem from its perspective to foster empathy and wonder.
  • you can enhance your sense of everyday magic by picking a mundane daily activity (like walking to work or making tea) and mentally narrating it as if you’re a character in a mythic world, describing ordinary sights and sounds with reverence and imagination to transform routine moments into meaningful experiences.

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Female Agency in Classical Mythology and Modern Retellings

Classical mythology often depicts women as obstacles or antagonists in the male hero’s journey, while modern retellings increasingly reimagine these figures, granting them agency, complexity, and depth. Recent translations and literary adaptations challenge the traditional male-centric narrative, offering richer internal perspectives on female characters.

Women in Myths Punished For Power, Seen As Obstacles

In ancient myth, women’s power is frequently portrayed as troublesome or deceitful, making them seem like threats to male heroes. Robin Young frames the women of the Odyssey according to this tradition, referencing Circe as the one who "turned his men into pigs" and the Sirens who "tried to lure him to his death,” humorously lamenting, “Poor Odysseus, so many women giving him problems.” This positions powerful women as hurdles for the male protagonist.

Young notes that within such myths, women’s power is often depicted as something tied to trickery and danger—“their power came because they were tricking men and they were luring them like sirens into rocks.” Madeline Miller observes that it is rare for women or goddesses to receive power that is not taken from them or for which they are not punished. In the Odyssey, Circe is cast as a groveling sorceress, her abilities vilified rather than celebrated. Young describes Circe in one adaptation as "a drab, mousy character" who violently transforms men into pigs, a far cry from the helpful deity Homer describes. In the original epic, Circe is actually one of Odysseus’s key allies, guiding him safely past the Sirens and sharing her wisdom—yet traditional depictions obscure this.

This male-centric narrative is directly challenged by Emily Wilson’s 2017 translation of The Odyssey, which is praised for its feminist lens. Both Wilson and Miller have publicly critiqued prior portrayals of Circe, including a film version that renders her as “a grandma witch in a Hansel and Gretel cottage.” Wilson’s translation elevates female figures by insisting on their full complexity and by interrogating the ways they are marginalized or vilified in earlier translations.

Retellings Empower Women With Agency, Complexity, and Internal Perspectives

Modern authors like Madeline Miller offer new perspectives in which mythological women are neither obstacles nor merely deceptive. In her novel Circe, Miller crafts a portrayal of the titular character who aids Odysseus instead of hindering him—she becomes an ally and a nuanced figure with her own motivations and regrets.

Similarly, the story of Mestra is transformed in Miller’s retelling. Mestra, the daughter of King Erysichthon, is sold repeatedly by her father in exchange for food to satisfy his cursed hunger. Yet Mestra’s shapeshifting ability—rare among mortal women in myth—allows her to repeatedly escape her circumstances. Miller and Young discuss how Mestra’s transformations metaphorically evoke the longing for freedom experienced by those in abusive situations. Instead of merely being praised for cleverness, as in Ovid’s account, Mestra in Miller’s hands is given an internal world. She feels her body alter, escaping by becoming a man, cousin, or horse, imagining her way out of captivity. Miller describes the process of “giving her a name, give ...

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  • While classical mythology often centers male heroes, it also features powerful and complex female figures such as Athena, Artemis, and Hera, whose roles extend beyond being mere obstacles.
  • Some ancient myths do grant women agency and positive power, as seen in figures like Penelope, whose intelligence and loyalty are celebrated in the Odyssey.
  • The depiction of women as dangerous or deceitful in myth can be interpreted as a reflection of broader cultural anxieties rather than a deliberate attempt to vilify women.
  • Not all modern retellings necessarily provide more accurate or universally accepted interpretations; some may impose contemporary values that differ significantly from the original cultural context.
  • The focus on female agency in modern retellings may risk overshadowing other important themes or chara ...

Actionables

  • you can rewrite a favorite story or movie scene from the perspective of a sidelined female character to explore her motivations, strengths, and challenges, helping you recognize and value complexity in women’s roles beyond traditional narratives.
  • a practical way to challenge stereotypes is to keep a daily log of media you consume and note how female characters are portrayed, then intentionally seek out or imagine alternative portrayals that emphasize agency, moral complexity, and growth.
  • you can reflect on your own life by identi ...

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Adapting Myths and History Creatively

Authors Have Liberty In Reinterpreting Classical Sources, as Ancients Retold From Different Perspectives

Madeline Miller emphasizes the freedom authors have when revisiting classical myths, stating that the beauty of working with these ancient stories is that "you can do, quote, 'whatever you want.'" Miller explains that myths were already retold by ancient storytellers from many different angles and perspectives, establishing variation rather than rigid adherence as a tradition. She appreciates that the ancients continuously engaged in creative reinterpretation, offering their own takes and allowing for other interpretations to coexist.

Working with classical myths allows writers to choose which elements to retain, transform, or invent anew. For Miller's story "Mestra," she notes that the shape-shifting powers of the protagonist are an authentic part of the myth, drawn from Ovid's Metamorphoses. This ability to transform—into a man, a cousin, a cow, or a horse—serves as a rich metaphor for identity and escape, inviting readers to imagine themselves into other lives. Miller also highlights the vast, detailed world of Homer’s Odyssey, which presents so much vibrant detail that it offers countless entry points and interpretive possibilities for modern adaptations.

Blending Classical Sources With Original Creations for Modern Narratives

Madeline Miller takes liberties with the myths, blending original elements into the classical frame. In "Mestra", she invents a scene in which the father, under a curse, begins to eat pieces of his daughter. While this motif of familial violence is partly present in Ovid, the specific detail of the father's eating is Miller’s invention, allowing her to explore new emotional and narrative territory while still honoring the myth's spirit.

Similarly, Susanna Clarke’s illustrated short story builds off a single, brief reference in her novel Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell—a foundational legend of a fairy-ruled kingdom in the north of England. She crafts an entire medieval backstory, inventing a scenario where the Bishop of Durham, Ranulf Flambard, attempts both to surrender the city and to improve his own standing at the mysterious new fairy court. Clarke grounds this fantasy in documented history: Ranulf Flambard is a real figure listed on Wikipedia, and the setting is just after the Norman Conquest. By intertwining the historical and the fantastical, Clarke creates a respectful hybrid th ...

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  • Excessive creative reinterpretation of classical myths can risk distorting or erasing the original cultural and historical contexts, potentially leading to misunderstandings of the source material.
  • Some scholars and traditionalists argue that too much deviation from original myths undermines their educational and cultural value, making it harder for audiences to distinguish between authentic tradition and modern invention.
  • Selectively retaining or inventing elements may introduce anachronisms or modern sensibilities that are inconsistent with the values and intentions of the original stories.
  • The blending of historical fact with fantasy, as in Susanna Clarke’s work, can blur the line between history and fiction, potentially confusing readers about what is historically accurate.
  • Visual reinterpretatio ...

Actionables

  • you can retell a favorite myth or folktale from the perspective of a minor or overlooked character, inventing new scenes or motivations that feel true to the character’s experience, to explore how stories shift when told through different eyes
  • For example, rewrite the story of Perseus from the viewpoint of the sea monster, imagining its thoughts and feelings, or narrate the tale of King Arthur from the perspective of a castle servant who witnesses the events but interprets them differently.
  • a practical way to blend history and imagination is to choose a real historical event or figure and invent a mythic or fantastical element that could plausibly fit into that context, then write a short scene or diary entry as if you lived through it
  • For instance, imagine a medieval scribe who believes a comet is a dragon’s tail, or a Roman soldier who thinks a local uprising is led by a demigod, and describe how this belief shapes their actions and emotions.
  • you can create a simple vi ...

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Nature as a Character With Agency in Mythology and Fantasy Fiction

Mythology Vitalized Nature, Modern Literature Neglects

Susanna Clarke observes that, in classical Greek mythology, the natural world was alive with agency and presence. Naiads and dryads spoke for the trees and rivers, personifying nature’s voice and will. This vitalization recognized that nature was not just scenery, but a force to be reckoned with, deserving attention and respect. Clarke notes that in contemporary literature, this tradition has faded, and the voice of nature has largely been lost. Without this sense of agency, modern humanity loses an essential connection and understanding of the natural world, particularly when facing environmental crises and extinction events.

Fantasy Restores Agency to Nature and Addresses Environmental Concerns

Clarke highlights that fantasy fiction functions as an heir to mythology, reviving the tradition of nature spirits. The descendants of naiads, dryads, and other spirits frequently appear in fantasy literature, restoring agency to rivers, trees, and forests as purposeful entities with their own narrative significance. She stresses the importance of this approach at a time when the natural world is imperiled—North America faces intense storms and hurricanes, and globally, species extinction is accelerating. Clarke’s own fiction, such as her story of sentient English trees that assemble to encircle a town in a moving wood, animates nature as a conscious actor. In doing so, her writing emphasizes the dignity and importance of the natural world and insists upon its consideration as a purposeful force in human affairs.

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  • The claim that contemporary literature has largely lost the tradition of nature’s agency may overlook significant works in modern and contemporary fiction, poetry, and non-Western literature that continue to personify or vitalize nature.
  • The assertion that mythology’s personification of nature inherently fostered respect and connection may romanticize the past; many ancient societies still exploited or damaged their environments despite such myths.
  • The idea that fantasy fiction uniquely revives nature’s agency could be challenged by pointing to other genres—such as magical realism, eco-poetry, or indigenous literature—that also grant agency to the natural world.
  • The suggestion that childlike wonder is necessary or sufficient for environmental awareness may underestimate the importance of scientific understanding, policy, and activism in addressing ecological crises.
  • Emp ...

Actionables

  • you can narrate your daily walks as if the trees, rivers, and stones are characters with their own intentions and moods, which helps you notice and respect the individuality of each natural element; for example, imagine a tree as a wise guardian or a stream as a playful guide, and let this shape how you move through and interact with your environment.
  • a practical way to rekindle a sense of wonder is to keep a nature mystery journal where you jot down questions or oddities you notice outdoors—like unusual patterns in bark or animal tracks—without immediately searching for answers, allowing curiosity and imagination to deepen your connec ...

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The Author's Creative Process: Theatrical Thinking and Childlike Wonder

Theatrical Methods Inform how Authors Visualize and Inhabit Narratives

Madeline Miller describes her writing process as deeply rooted in her background as a theater director. She approaches writing much like a method actor approaches a role: not only does she visualize her narrative as if it plays out on a stage, she also mentally inhabits the consciousness of her characters. Miller refers to herself as a "method writer," immersing herself in the emotional states and lives of her characters—even when scenes are painful or difficult. Her goal is to guide readers on a journey so they truly live inside the perspective of her characters. Miller is drawn to writers who possess a cinematic quality, creating stories that allow readers to experience narrative events as viscerally as the characters do, especially in moments of emotional pain. She believes that this method of visualizing scenes strikes a crucial balance between narrative action and emotional resonance.

Imaginative Thinking in Adulthood Creates Rich Mythological and Speculative Fiction

Susanna Clarke reveals her struggle to write "grown-up" or conventional fiction, admitting that the attempt felt unsatisfying and unnatural. When she gave up on trying to fit into literary conventions, she discovered her authentic voice, allowing her to return to writing in the fantasy genre. Clarke explains that letting go of the pressure to produce prestigious literary fiction liberated her creativity, and fantasy began to flow naturally into her writing. By embracing her intrinsic imaginative tendencies, she prioritizes imaginative truth—the authenticity that comes from writing what stems most naturally from her own vision—over traditional literary prestige.

Dual Consciousness Transforms Perception of Reality Through the Mundane and Fictional Worlds

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  • While Madeline Miller's method-acting approach to writing may create immersive narratives, some authors and readers may prefer a more detached or omniscient narrative style that allows for broader thematic exploration rather than deep emotional immersion.
  • The emphasis on cinematic and visceral storytelling could risk prioritizing emotional impact over subtlety or intellectual engagement, potentially alienating readers who value restraint or ambiguity in literature.
  • Susanna Clarke's rejection of conventional literary fiction in favor of fantasy may suggest a false dichotomy; many writers successfully blend literary and genre elements, and literary prestige does not necessarily preclude imaginative truth.
  • Prioritizing personal imaginative truth over literary conventions may result in works that are less accessible or relatable to a wider audience, as not all readers share the author's particular vision or sensibility.
  • The i ...

Actionables

  • you can transform daily routines into mini-performances by imagining yourself as a character in a story, fully experiencing each moment as if it’s part of a larger narrative; for example, while making breakfast, picture the kitchen as a stage and yourself as a protagonist with a secret mission, noticing how this changes your emotional engagement with the task.
  • a practical way to foster childlike wonder is to assign magical attributes or secret histories to ordinary objects around you, such as pretending your keys are enchanted or your coffee mug holds ancient wisdom, which can make everyday interactions feel more meaningful and imaginative.
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