'Conclave' author Robert Harris is out with a fictional Roman Empire memoir
In this episode of NPR's Book of the Day, Scott Simon speaks with author Robert Harris about his new historical novel centered on Marcus Agrippa, a powerful yet historically obscure figure in ancient Rome. Harris explores Agrippa's remarkable rise from plebeian origins to become Augustus's closest ally, three-time consul, military commander, and master engineer—despite leaving virtually no personal letters or speeches behind. This absence of personal documentation makes Agrippa an ideal subject for historical fiction, offering creative freedom while maintaining historical authenticity.
The conversation extends beyond Agrippa's story to examine why ancient Rome continues to captivate modern audiences. Harris and Simon discuss Rome's influence on Western civilization, particularly its impact on America's founding principles, and explore parallels between the Roman Republic's collapse into autocracy and contemporary political dynamics. Harris observes how modern political figures employ imagery reminiscent of Roman emperors, creating renewed interest in understanding Rome's enduring lessons about power, democracy, and governance.
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Agrippa's Rise: From Plebeian to Augustus' Ally and Powerful Roman Figure
Agrippa's Origins and Rise To Elite Circles
Agrippa's name comes from "Agrippartum," marking his difficult birth in which his mother died. This tragic origin seems to have shaped his combative identity—he's depicted as brooding, strong, and wary, like a fighter who learned early to defend himself. Despite his plebeian origins, Agrippa was enrolled at around age 13 or 14 in a prestigious Palatine Hill school reserved for senators' sons. There, he met Octavius, Julius Caesar's great-nephew and eventual adopted son, forming a pivotal friendship that would shape both their lives and Rome's future.
Agrippa and Octavius' Early Military Partnership
After Caesar's victory at Munda, both young men were transported on Caesar's flagship to Apollonia to prepare for an Eastern campaign—a clear sign of special favor. Their bond was strengthened by contrasting qualities: Octavius was sickly and slight, while Agrippa was physically imposing, often serving as his friend's protector. Caesar's assassination in 44 BC halted their rise but opened new political opportunities as they navigated the turbulent aftermath.
Agrippa's Rise to Power and Influence in Rome
Agrippa's talents propelled him to serve as consul three times and to become the effective co-ruler of Rome alongside Augustus. His military genius secured crucial victories strengthening Augustus's regime, while his engineering feats included Rome's aqueducts and the Pantheon, which still bears his name. Speculation suggests Agrippa may have been Caesar's illegitimate son—Caesar was in Rome the year before Agrippa's birth and was notorious for affairs. This theory could explain Agrippa's elite school admission alongside Caesar's closest male relative, his remarkable talents, and the deliberate suppression of biographical details about his early life.
Why Agrippa Is Ideal for Historical Fiction
Despite Agrippa's enormous influence as a three-time consul, co-ruler, brilliant general, and master builder, he remains mysteriously anonymous in historical records. He left no letters or speeches, and few of his remarks are documented. For a historical novelist, this scarcity of personal documentation offers remarkable creative freedom. Agrippa appears in other Roman narratives—as the aqueduct builder in "Pompeii" and as Octavius's menacing consigliere in the Cicero trilogy—providing sufficient historical context while leaving his motivations and inner life open to interpretation.
Fascination With Ancient Rome: Cultural Influence and Parallels to Contemporary Politics
Scott Simon and Robert Harris explore why ancient Rome continues to captivate modern audiences, even becoming a cultural meme. This fascination stems from Rome's profound influence on Western civilization and its resonances with modern leadership and democracy.
Roman Civilization's Impact on Modern Western Society
Harris highlights Rome's epic achievements in poetry, oratory, philosophy, and architecture as unparalleled accomplishments that continue to inspire. He notes that America's Founding Fathers deliberately drew upon Roman Republican principles when designing the U.S. Constitution, embedding ideas like separation of powers and checks and balances. Harris asserts that Rome is "the foundation of our modern Western world," with Roman influence embedded in Western cultural DNA.
Roman Republic's Transition to Imperial Autocracy
Harris's novel spans the fifty-year collapse of Rome's Republic into oligarchic rule and imperial autocracy. He describes this as a "standing warning" for modern societies, demonstrating democracy's susceptibility to decay. Harris cautions that vigilance and protection of democratic norms are crucial, as no system is immune to fragility.
Roman Imperial Imagery Heightens Modern Interest
Harris observes how modern leaders adopt tactics reminiscent of Roman emperors. He notes President Trump's use of triumphal arches, gladiator-style spectacles, and monumental buildings emblazoned with his name—all evoking the theatrical grandeur of Rome's rulers. These parallels between contemporary politics and Roman imperial practices spark renewed fascination with ancient Rome, inviting society to reflect on the enduring legacies of power, spectacle, and statecraft.
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- The etymology of Agrippa's name is uncertain; "Agrippartum" is not a widely accepted or attested origin in classical sources.
- There is limited direct evidence that Agrippa's difficult birth or his mother's death significantly shaped his personality or identity.
- While Agrippa's plebeian background is noted, the specifics of his early education and the nature of his enrollment at a senatorial school are not well-documented in primary sources.
- The theory that Agrippa was Julius Caesar's illegitimate son is speculative and not supported by concrete historical evidence.
- The claim that Agrippa was "co-ruler" of Rome may overstate his formal political status; he was a powerful deputy but never held the title or constitutional powers of Augustus.
- The assertion that Agrippa left "no letters or speeches" is based on the absence of surviving material, but it is possible such documents existed and were lost, rather than never written.
- The influence of Roman Republican principles on the U.S. Constitution is significant, but the Founding Fathers also drew on Enlightenment thought and other historical models.
- The idea that Rome is the sole or primary foundation of Western culture overlooks the contributions of other civilizations, such as ancient Greece, the Near East, and later European developments.
- The parallels drawn between modern political leaders and Roman emperors may be overstated or selective, as spectacle and monumentalism are not unique to Roman or Western traditions.
- The narrative that Rome's collapse is a direct warning for modern democracies is a common interpretation, but some historians argue that the contexts are too different for direct comparison.
Actionables
- you can strengthen your own friendships by intentionally pairing your strengths with a friend's weaknesses, like offering practical help where they struggle and asking for support where you need it, to build a more balanced and resilient bond—think of helping a friend with public speaking if you're confident, while they help you with organization if that's their strength.
- a practical way to reflect on your personal legacy is to keep a simple, ongoing list of your daily actions and decisions that might outlast you, then periodically review it to see what kind of impact you're making, much like ancient builders whose work endures even if their words don't.
- you can boost your awareness of democratic fragility by setting a monthly reminder to read a news article about a current event involving government checks and balances, then jot down a quick note on how the situation compares to historical shifts from republics to autocracies, helping you stay vigilant about the health of democratic norms.
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Agrippa's Rise: From Plebeian to Augustus' Ally and Powerful Roman Figure
Agrippa's Origins and Rise To Elite Circles
Named Agrippa After Mother's Childbirth Death, Shaping His Combative Identity
Agrippa’s name is a shortened form of “Agrippartum,” reflecting his difficult birth. His mother died delivering him, marking the origin of his unusual name. This legacy seems to have imprinted itself on his character, conditioning him from an early age to defend himself. In descriptions and artistic depictions, Agrippa carries the look of a fighter—brooding, strong, wary—much like a heavyweight boxer or nightclub bouncer. The taunts and adversity stemming from his humble beginnings and tragic birth likely instilled a combative streak that would serve him throughout his life.
Plebeian Agrippa Attended Elite Palatine Hill School For Senators' Sons At Age 13 or 14
Despite being born into a plebeian family with little money or social standing, Agrippa was sent at the age of about 13 or 14 to a prestigious school on the Palatine Hill reserved for the sons of senators and Rome’s elite. The exact reason for this remarkable access is unclear, but it positioned Agrippa in the heart of Rome’s power structure.
Elite School Enrollment Forms Key Bond With Octavius
At this elite school, Agrippa met Octavius, the great-nephew and eventual adopted son of Julius Caesar. This relationship was pivotal, as the two became close friends—an alliance that would shape both their lives and the fate of Rome.
Agrippa and Octavius' Early Military Partnership Laid Foundation for Intertwined Political Destinies
Young Men Favored by Julius Caesar, Transported Post-Munda to Apollonia for Eastern Campaign Preparations
After Caesar’s victory at the Battle of Munda, both Agrippa and Octavius were brought back to Rome on Caesar’s flagship, a sign of special favor. They were then sent together to Apollonia, in modern Albania, to await Caesar for a planned campaign in the East. Both young men had come under Julius Caesar’s wing, marking the start of their entwined political paths.
Their Bond Strengthened By Contrasting Qualities
Their bond was strengthened by their contrasting qualities. Octavius was sickly, slight, and needed built-up shoes for his stature; Agrippa, on the other hand, was physically imposing and often acted as a protector or bodyguard for his friend.
Caesar's Assassination Halted Their Rise but Opened New Political Opportunities
Julius Caesar’s assassination in 44 BC halted his plans, but for Agrippa and Octavius, it opened the way to new political opportunities as they navigated the tumultuous aftermath of Caesar’s death.
Agrippa's Rise to Power and Influence in Rome
Consul Thrice, Co-ruler With Augustus, Wielded Immense Authority
Agrippa’s talents propelled him to the height of Roman power. He served as consul three times, and for much of his career was the effective co-ruler of the Roman world alongside Augustus (Octavius).
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- The claim that Agrippa’s difficult birth and his mother’s death directly shaped his combative character is speculative; there is no concrete historical evidence linking his personality traits to these early events.
- Descriptions of Agrippa’s physical appearance and demeanor as “brooding” or “like a heavyweight boxer” are interpretive and based on later artistic depictions, not on contemporary accounts.
- The reasons for Agrippa’s admission to the elite Palatine Hill school are unknown; while unusual, there is no definitive evidence that his enrollment was due to hidden connections or favoritism.
- The theory that Agrippa was Julius Caesar’s illegitimate son is unproven and based on circumstantial evidence; no ancient sources directly support this claim.
- Agrippa’s rise can be attributed to his demonstrated abilities and loyalty to Octavian, rather than necessarily to sec ...
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- you can use your own background or challenges as motivation to develop resilience and a strong personal identity by writing a short reflection on how past hardships have shaped your strengths, then setting a weekly goal to use those strengths in new situations (like speaking up in meetings or volunteering for tasks you’d usually avoid).
- a practical way to build influential relationships is to identify someone whose skills or qualities complement your own and offer to support them in a small, specific way (such as helping with a project or sharing resources), then observe how this mutual support can lead to deeper collaboration and shared opportunities ...
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Why Agrippa Is Ideal for Historical Fiction: His Importance & Scarcity of Records
Agrippa's Impact Contrasts With Scarce Evidence of His Life
Marcus Agrippa holds a unique position in world history as an immensely powerful and important figure. He was consul three times, an effective co-ruler of the Roman world, and a brilliant general who played a significant role in shaping the Roman Empire. As a master builder, Agrippa’s works included not only vital aqueducts but also the Pantheon in Rome, which to this day bears his name above the entrance.
Yet, despite this enormous influence, Agrippa remains shrouded in mystery. He left no letters or speeches, and very few of his remarks are reported in historical sources. This absence of personal documentation stands in stark contrast to his achievements and impact. The records about him are almost anonymous, creating a notable gap that invites speculative exploration.
Lack of Historical Records Favors Novelistic Interpretation of Agrippa
For a historical novelist, Agrippa is an ideal subject precisely because so little is concretely known about his personal life and inner thoughts. Without the constraints of extensive personal documentation, a novelist gains significant creative freedom to craft a compelling narrative about his life.
Agrippa does appear in other Roman historical narratives, which provide suffi ...
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- The scarcity of personal records about Agrippa, while offering creative freedom, also poses a challenge for historical accuracy, potentially leading to speculative portrayals that may misinform readers about his true character or motivations.
- The lack of direct evidence about Agrippa's inner life could make it difficult for novelists to create a nuanced and believable character, as any interpretation would be largely conjectural.
- While Agrippa's achievements are significant, other Roman figures with similarly limited personal documentation have not always been considered ideal subjects for historical fiction, suggesting that the appeal may depend more on narrative trends than on the absence of records alone.
- The reliance on secondary appearances of Agrippa in works like “Pompeii” or the Cicero trilogy ...
Actionables
- you can keep a daily log of your own decisions and actions, then periodically review what’s missing or left unsaid, helping you notice how gaps in personal documentation can shape your own story and legacy
- By tracking not just what you do but also what you don’t record—like skipped thoughts, unexpressed feelings, or unshared motivations—you’ll become more aware of how your own history could be interpreted by others if only fragments remain.
- a practical way to experiment with creative freedom is to write a short fictional scene about a historical figure or even someone you know, focusing on inventing their inner thoughts and motivations where facts are missing
- This exercise helps you practice filling in gaps with imagination while staying grounded in what’s known, mirroring how writers approach figures with limited personal ...
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Fascination With Ancient Rome: Its Cultural and Political Influence on Modern Western Society, and Parallels Between Roman Decline and Contemporary Politics
Scott Simon and Robert Harris reflect on why so many remain enthralled by ancient Rome, a fascination that has permeated culture to the extent that it has become a meme—especially among men who reportedly think about Rome frequently. This obsession is rooted in Rome’s profound and lasting influence on Western civilization, its political legacy, and its resonances with modern leadership and democracy.
Roman Civilization's Impact on Modern Western Society
Roman Achievements in Poetry, Oratory, Philosophy, and Architecture Remain Relevant and Admirable
Robert Harris highlights the epic scale of Roman achievements, citing their poetry, oratory, philosophy, architecture, and military prowess as unparalleled accomplishments that continue to inspire admiration. These cultural and intellectual riches form a bedrock for Western art, learning, and civic life.
U.S. Constitution Influenced by Roman Republican Principles
Harris notes that America's Founding Fathers deliberately drew upon the Roman Republic when designing the U.S. Constitution. Principles ranging from the separation of powers to checks and balances echo Roman governance, embedding Roman republican ideals in the foundation of American democracy.
Roman Civilization: The Foundation of Western Dna
According to Harris, Rome is "the foundation of our modern Western world." He asserts that Roman influence is embedded in Western cultural DNA, reflecting back modern values and systems and offering a mirror to contemporary society.
Roman Republic's Transition to Imperial Autocracy: Lessons on Democracy's Fragility
Roman Republic's 50-year Collapse: Democratic Deterioration and Oligarchic Rise
Harris’s novel spans the fifty-year period that saw Rome’s Republic crumble, replaced by oligarchic rule and imperial autocracy. He describes this collapse as a "standing warning" for modern societies, demonstrating democracy’s susceptibility to decay and subversion.
Protecting Democracy's Vulnerabilities and Norms
Harris cautions that although history cannot be overdrawn for direct parallels, the narrative of Rome’s gradual decline holds clear lessons for contemporary democracies: vigilance and the protection of democratic norms are crucial, as no system is immune to fragility or the ambitions of a few.
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- The influence of ancient Rome on modern Western society is often overstated; other civilizations such as Ancient Greece, the Enlightenment thinkers, and even non-Western cultures have also significantly shaped Western values, governance, and culture.
- The U.S. Constitution was influenced by a variety of sources, including British common law, Enlightenment philosophy (e.g., Montesquieu, Locke), and indigenous governance models, not solely Roman republican principles.
- The idea that Roman achievements in poetry, oratory, philosophy, and architecture are "unparalleled" overlooks the significant contributions of other ancient and modern cultures in these fields.
- The fascination with Rome is not universal; many people, including women and those from non-Western backgrounds, may not share this interest or see Rome as foundational to their identity or values.
- Drawing direct parallels between the decline of the Roman Republic and contemporary political situations can be misleading, as historical, social, and technological contexts differ greatly.
- The use of Roman imperia ...
Actionables
- you can strengthen your understanding of democratic principles by comparing current news stories about government actions to the Roman Republic’s system of checks and balances, jotting down similarities and differences in a notebook to spot patterns and potential warning signs in today’s politics.
- a practical way to connect with Rome’s cultural legacy is to pick one aspect of daily life (like home decor, personal routines, or communication style) and intentionally incorporate a Roman-inspired element, such as using Latin phrases in your planner, arranging your workspace with symmetry, or adopting a weekly “forum” dinner where everyone shares ideas and debates respectfully.
- you can reflect on the fragility of democracy by setting ...
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