In this episode of NPR's Book of the Day, two novels explore what happens when city dwellers confront rural life. Shannon Sanders discusses "The Great Wherever," which uses ghost narrators across generations to examine how a Black woman's unexpected inheritance of Tennessee farmland connects her to ancestral legacy while her economic struggles shape how she views this connection. Daniel Mason's "Country People" follows a family moving to Vermont with romantic expectations that clash with reality, examining how storytelling and imagination help people construct meaning and find belonging.
Both authors discuss the creative challenges of novel writing and the role of imagination in their work. The conversation touches on how family gatherings on inherited land strengthen intergenerational bonds, how folkloric storytelling blurs lines between play and belief, and how communities form around shared imaginative possibilities. The episode explores tensions between idealized expectations and lived experience, and how individuals navigate disappointment while seeking connection to place and family history.

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Shannon Sanders' novel "The Great Wherever" explores how family legacy and inherited identity shape Black families across generations through ghost narrators spanning different historical eras.
Sanders uses ghost narrators to give voice to multiple generations, including Zina, an enslaved ancestor who died just before emancipation, and a contemporary spirit close to the author's own perspective. The human protagonist, Aubrey Lamb, unexpectedly inherits Tennessee farmland after her father's death, linking her to her ancestry despite her urban upbringing. Sanders portrays the land as both a symbol of freedom and a meeting point for family connection, while showing how family stories are shaped by misremembering and emotional projection rather than factual accuracy alone.
Aubrey's precarious economic circumstances—juggling multiple low-wage city jobs—shape her view of the inherited farmland primarily as a financial windfall. This contrasts sharply with her ancestral ghosts, for whom the land embodies freedom and family obligation. This generational divide reflects how each generation reinterprets legacy through the lens of its own survival needs.
Sanders draws parallels between the novel's ancestral ghosts and her own experience of being guided by her late grandmother and educator parents. These values are reinforced during family gatherings on Tennessee farmland co-owned by Sanders' extended family, strengthening intergenerational bonds and reaffirming collective history across divergent life paths.
The role of imagination and storytelling in building meaning is central in Daniel Mason's fiction and in the writing philosophies discussed by Mason and Sanders.
In Mason's "Country People," protagonist Miles Shalevsky-Pitrossian tells elaborate folktales to his children nightly, including stories of the Humbaba, a mythological shapeshifter. These tales begin influencing his children's worldviews, blurring lines between playful possibility and genuine suspicion. Mason also creates local legends within the fictional town of Greensbury, including the Great Slave Fail sleigh factory catastrophe, illustrating how places and people shape meaning through constructed, inherited, and contested stories.
For Miles, storytelling offers creative escape rather than academic focus, as he prefers enchanting his children over writing his dissertation. Mason explores the fine line between productive imaginative play and the risk of drifting into ungrounded belief systems, particularly when belief systems become rigid or competitive.
Mason admits to a personal affinity with Miles, particularly regarding the challenge of focus and tendency toward procrastination. Sanders adds that writers are drawn to ghost stories because of the creative freedom they offer—there's "no one to tell me I'm doing it wrong." Ghost stories tap into universal mysteries and the imaginative pleasure of the unknown.
Mason's exploration of Vermont highlights the gap between imagination and reality, and how individuals grapple with disappointment while seeking belonging.
The Shalevsky-Pitrossian family arrives in Vermont with romantic, pastoral fantasies, expecting to find a community reminiscent of Russian folklore. Miles dreams of writing about peasants, while his wife Kate hopes for a simpler rural life. However, Mason makes clear the reality is quite different. Mason researched not just Vermont's actual landscape, but also its place in the American imagination, noting his book is as much about persistent preconceptions as about the material reality of life in Vermont.
Miles cycles through dissertation topics over fourteen years without success, disappointing his family despite being the grandson of prominent physician Lucius Shalevsky. Kate, a scholar of Milton and Blake, hopes that moving to Vermont and her college professorship will finally provide Miles with the stability to complete his intellectual projects, yet frustration grows as Miles fails to fulfill his potential.
The Hollow Earth Society serves as a refuge for those disillusioned by everyday disappointments, offering members a sense of belonging and imaginative possibility rather than being just a wacky conspiracy group. Wilson Bentley, after medical dismissal of his reincarnation beliefs, positions himself as a chronicler cataloging humanity's inventory of wrong ideas, acknowledging that most people believe false things—another way to come to terms with the tension between aspiration and reality.
In the novel, the Great Wherever in Lander County, Tennessee, serves as farmland that unites the family despite divergent lives. The land acts not only as a source of economic opportunity but also as a family anchor and symbolic connection between different places and generations.
Mason describes how the Hollow Earth Society welcomes individuals with diverse motivations—some join from loneliness or religious disillusionment, others for imaginative play or alternative possibilities. The group engages in activities like studying old atlases, exploring canyons, and researching local history, fostering social connections and offering members a sense of community regardless of their actual belief in a hollow earth.
Sanders describes writing her novel while juggling a day job and caring for small children, mostly writing late at night when low on energy. She emphasizes that countless reasons compete against finishing a novel, applauding anyone who manages to complete such a demanding creative project.
Sanders likens novel writing to "fumbling through the dark with a short candle," highlighting both the literal solitude of nocturnal writing and the uncertainty inherent in guiding a creative project to completion. She emphasizes that completing a novel requires significant commitment and endurance.
Upon finishing The Great Wherever, Sanders felt "a real sense of finality." While she still thinks about her characters and enjoys speaking with readers, she feels her characters are now "safely situated on that farm," no longer requiring her active attention, underscoring the sense of closure that comes with completing a major creative work.
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Shannon Sanders' novel "The Great Wherever" explores the intricate ways family legacy and inherited identity shape Black families over generations. Told through the voices of ghosts spanning different historical eras, the novel considers how memory, land, and evolving values influence family bonds.
Sanders uses ghost narrators to give voice to the lives and perspectives of multiple generations. One ghost, Zina, represents an ancestor who was enslaved and died just before emancipation—a presence that anchors the story in the pain and missed possibilities of freedom. The principal ghost narrator is a contemporary spirit, close in age and outlook to the author herself, allowing Sanders to blend personal generational perspective with historical resonance.
The human center of the novel, Aubrey Lamb, unexpectedly inherits Tennessee farmland upon her father's death. This land links her directly to her ancestry and the collective history of the family, despite her urban upbringing and distant relationship with the property. Sanders portrays the land not only as a symbol of opportunity and freedom but also as a perennial meeting point for family connection.
The Lamb family's stories are shown through shifting remembrance and personal bias. Sanders notes that family tales are shaped as much by misremembering and emotional projection as by factual accuracy. With a narrative that covers many characters and viewpoints, the novel demonstrates how the real story emerges from these overlapping, subjective recollections rather than any singular, definitive account.
Aubrey’s view of the inherited farmland is shaped by her precarious economic circumstances as she juggles multiple low-wage jobs in the city. For Aubrey, the land primarily represents a potential windfall—a means to financial security in a difficult present. This stands in stark contrast to the ancestral ghosts, for whom the land embodies freedom, family obligation, and the hard-won fruits of survival.
This generational divide on the land's value reflects how economic realities and opportunities shift over time. Where ancestors once saw land as liberation and a family lifeline, Aubrey sees a price tag and relief from modern financial strain. The ghosts’ inability ...
Family Legacy and Inherited Identity Across Generations
The role of imagination and storytelling in building meaning and navigating belief is central in Daniel Mason’s fiction, as well as in the writing philosophies discussed by Mason and Shannon Sanders.
Miles Shalevsky-Pitrossian, the protagonist in Mason’s "Country People," weaves folktale stories every night for his children. Rather than completing his dissertation on Russian folklore, he indulges his passion for storytelling by recounting elaborate tales—some rooted in actual folklore, others of his own invention. A recurring story involves a mythological shapeshifter, the Humbaba, which becomes a shorthand in the family for the delight and mild trouble of unchecked imagination. The tales Miles shares start influencing the worldview of his children, especially his son, who suspects anyone might be the deceiving Humbaba, blurring lines between playful possibility and genuine suspicion.
Mason builds a vivid imaginative environment within the fictional town of Greensbury, introducing readers to local legends, notably the tale of the Great Slave Fail sleigh factory catastrophe. This invented legend tells of a factory in Greensbury that produced sleds for children across New England, only to have a catastrophic failure one winter where sleigh rivets failed and the machinery all broke down. This backstory, though fabricated within the novel, becomes a foundational part of local folklore, echoing how places and people shape meaning through stories. These legends are set alongside equally powerful beliefs within the local community, such as the conviction among some Vermonters that a portal to a hollow earth exists in the Green Mountains. Mason uses these contrasting but competing narratives to illustrate how characters derive meaning from their environment by constructing, inheriting, and contesting stories.
For Miles, the act of storytelling is a means of creative escape, a way to indulge his passion for tales rather than writing his academic dissertation. Instead of focusing on analyzing Russian folklore, he channels his energy into entertaining and enchanting his children with these stories. Mason reflects on the fine line between productive imaginative play and the risk of drifting into ungrounded belief systems. Through Miles’ tendency to let stories get “a little bit out of hand,” Mason explores the borderland where creative imagination can slip into delusion or false conviction, sometimes even affecting children’s perspectives and fears.
He draws a distinction between the benign indulgence in collective stories that bond a family or community, and the potentially more dangerous crossing over int ...
Imagination, Storytelling, and Narrative Role
Daniel Mason’s exploration of Vermont in his work highlights the persistent gap between what people imagine and what they actually encounter, as well as the ways individuals grapple with disappointment and seek belonging, even in unlikely places.
The Shalevsky-Pitrossian family arrives in Vermont driven by romantic, pastoral fantasies, expecting to find a landscape and community reminiscent of Russian folklore. Miles, the patriarch, dreams of writing a dissertation about peasants inspired by these tales, believing he’ll find real-life peasants in Vermont. His wife, Kate, supports the move, also hoping for a simpler, storybook rural life. However, Mason makes clear that the reality is quite different. The humor and central irony of the story arise from these city dwellers enthusiastically preparing to study "the natives," only to find that actual rural life does not correspond to their idealized vision.
Mason spent considerable time in the region, researching not just Vermont’s actual landscape and lifestyle, but also the place it occupies in the American imagination as "pastoral" and "bucolic." While Vermont is truly beautiful, many outsiders arrive with ingrained preconceptions about country living. Mason notes that his book is as much about these persistent preconceptions as about the material reality of life in Vermont, and the joke is often on the city people trying—and often failing—to become country people.
Miles is burdened by family expectations as the grandson of the prominent physician Lucius Shalevsky, yet he repeatedly fails to fulfill these ambitions, cycling through dissertation topics without success. This pattern, stretching over fourteen years, becomes a source of quiet but growing disappointment for his family.
Kate, Miles’s wife, is a committed scholar of Milton and Blake. She hopes that relocating to Vermont and taking a college professorship will finally provide Miles with the stability and inspiration needed to commit to and finally finish his long-stalled intellectual projects. Despite her passion for literature and her own academic pursuits, she increasingly struggles with frustration as Miles fails to fulfill his potential. Their shared love for literature and idealistic visions feeds both their aspirations and, at times, their disappointments.
Tension Between Idealized Expectations and Lived Reality
In the novel, the Great Wherever in Lander County, Tennessee, serves as the family's farmland and acts as a central location that unites the family. Despite leading divergent lives, the land reinforces their shared values. The narrative highlights the land not only as a source of economic opportunity but also as a space for community, as a family anchor, and as a symbolic connection between different places and generations.
Daniel Mason describes how the Hollow Earth Society forms an imaginative community welcoming individuals with diverse motivations. Some members join out of loneliness or disillusionment with mainstream religion, while others are drawn to the society for imaginative play, the spirit of "what if," or the playful possibility of alternative realities—similar to the concept of costume play. The tent is expansive, accommodating various l ...
Community, Belonging, and Social Connections
Shannon Sanders describes the difficulty of writing her novel, The Great Wherever, while juggling a day job and caring for small children. Most of her writing took place late at night after her family was asleep, often while she was low on energy and managing various competing demands. Sanders emphasizes that there are countless reasons not to finish writing a novel because daily obligations constantly compete for a writer’s attention. She applauds anyone who manages to reach the end of such a demanding creative project.
Sanders likens the process of writing a novel to "fumbling through the dark with a short candle," highlighting both the literal solitude of writing at night and the uncertainty inherent in guiding a creative project to completion. She points out that completing a novel requires a significant degree of commitment and endurance, and expresses admiration for writers who persist despite the isolation and ambiguity.
Challenges of Creative Writing and Balancing Life Demands
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