In this episode of NPR's Book of the Day, authors Heather Terrell and Victoria Christopher Murray discuss their historical novel about Eunice Carter and Polly Adler, two women from opposite worlds who united to take down mob boss Lucky Luciano in 1930s New York. Carter, the first Black female prosecutor in New York, and Adler, a madam who ran high-end brothels, formed an unlikely partnership that exposed organized crime's exploitation of women through prostitution.
The conversation explores the gender bias and career-family tensions women faced in the 1930s, the collaborative writing and research process behind creating historical fiction, and the often-overlooked contributions of ordinary women who testified against the mob despite significant personal risk. Terrell and Murray emphasize how meaningful social change emerged from collective female action and discuss their efforts to restore these women's stories to the historical record.

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Eunice Carter became the first Black female prosecutor in New York in the 1930s, joining Thomas Dewey's elite team fighting organized crime. Despite being married to Harlem's most successful dentist and expected to live as a socialite, Carter pursued law and public service, driven by her activist family's legacy. Her groundbreaking career, however, strained her marriage as her husband faced ridicule over her prominence and success.
Polly Adler arrived in America as a twelve-year-old Russian Jewish immigrant, relying on the streets for survival. She built a reputation for running brothels that functioned as private clubs, prioritizing medical care, protection, and security for her workers. Her fame grew such that "going to Polly's" became a culturally recognized phrase.
These two women from vastly different backgrounds formed an unlikely alliance to expose organized prostitution exploitation. Carter used evidence of mob-linked prostitution, aided by Adler's insights, to successfully prosecute notorious mob boss Lucky Luciano, disrupting the power structure of organized crime in New York.
Women pursuing professional roles in the 1930s faced significant resistance. Victoria Christopher Murray describes how Eunice Carter's husband, despite his own success, was mocked by peers who questioned his masculinity because of his wife's achievements. This societal discomfort meant Carter had to navigate a landscape where her ambition wasn't fully supported, even within her own community.
Heather Terrell points out that women like Eunice struggled to fulfill their professional callings while being pressured to remain in traditional roles. Society continues to send mixed messages, demanding that women juggle careers, family, and home responsibilities without additional support or any substantial change in expectations placed on men, making it difficult for women to achieve their career goals.
Heather Terrell explains that their collaborative process seeks to cover timely and different subjects. For this book, they explored two women advancing good in the world, even if they weren't friends. The process involves three stages: identifying impactful historical women, conducting research to confirm the story's substance, and choosing contemporary themes. Both authors then collaborate on a detailed outline for deeper research into the historical period.
Victoria Christopher Murray emphasizes that historical research continues actively during writing. Writers must investigate period-specific details prompted by narrative demands—such as what cabs were called in the era, what they looked like, and crucially, how Black individuals navigated urban environments and whether cabs stopped for them. These contextual questions highlight the necessity of ongoing research to accurately reflect social dynamics and ensure authenticity in the narrative.
Heather Terrell describes the story as one of two unlikely allies—Carter the prosecutor and Adler the madam—uniting for social improvement despite being on opposite sides of the law. Their partnership crosses legal and social boundaries, showing that meaningful change often requires cooperation between those with different backgrounds.
Terrell highlights that real transformation came from the collective power of women who bravely testified against the mob despite danger. This "army of female voices" collectively achieved what individuals could not, illustrating that lasting social change is driven by coordinated action and solidarity among women determined to dismantle oppressive systems.
Victoria Christopher Murray reflects on her original misconceptions about organized prostitution, admitting she was unaware of the extreme violence women endured within the industry. Research revealed harsh conditions, highlighting the brutality perpetrated by organized crime.
Despite mob threats and intense societal stigma, many women courageously stepped forward to assist in the prosecution of Lucky Luciano. Murray describes these women as fearless for testifying under circumstances that would have given them every reason to be afraid.
Official records often focus on prosecutors and high-profile figures while neglecting the critical efforts of ordinary women victimized by the mob. By bringing attention to these women's courageous actions, the historical record is corrected to honor their essential role in dismantling organized crime and restores agency and respect to women whose stories have too often been forgotten.
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Eunice Carter becomes the first Black female prosecutor in New York in the 1930s, beginning her career with private practice before moving to women's court. Her abilities and ambition lead her to an elite prosecution team under Thomas Dewey formed to combat organized crime in New York City. This position is unprecedented for a Black woman at the time and places her on the front lines of one of the most significant battles against the mob.
Married to Harlem’s most successful dentist, Carter is expected to live as a Harlem socialite. However, her upbringing as the daughter of activists inspires ambitions far beyond those conventions. Driven by her family’s legacy, she pursues a path in law and public service.
Carter’s groundbreaking career and rising prominence place a strain on her marriage. Her husband, despite his own professional achievements, faces pressure and ridicule stemming from Eunice’s public success.
Polly Adler comes to America as a Russian Jewish immigrant at the age of twelve, alone and vulnerable. With little support, she relies on the streets for survival and opportunity, which shapes her resilience and entrepreneurial instincts.
Adler builds a reputation for her unique approach to running brothels. Her establishments function more as private clubs than traditional brothels, where control, medical care, protection, and security for her workers are prioritized. This environment distinguishes her operations and attracts a powerful clientele.
Eunice Carter and Polly Adler's Alliance Against Lucky Luciano
In the 1930s, women who pursued professional roles encountered significant resistance from both family and community. Victoria Christopher Murray describes how Eunice Carter's husband, despite his own success, faced social embarrassment because of his wife’s achievements. His friends mocked him by questioning his masculinity, making remarks like "Is your wife the man? You're being the man." This peer pressure highlighted the societal discomfort with women stepping into successful public roles traditionally held by men. For Eunice, this meant having to navigate a social landscape where her ambition and legal work were not fully supported, even within her immediate community, which urged her to stay in more traditional roles instead.
Heather Terrell points out that women like Eunice struggle to fulfill their professional callings while being nudged by their communities to remain in traditional roles. Society continues to send mixed messages, demanding that women juggle careers, family, and home respo ...
Gender Bias and Women's Career-Family Challenges
Heather Terrell explains that each book in their collaborative process seeks to cover something both timely and different. For the current book, Terrell and Victoria Christopher Murray focused on exploring the idea of two women coming together to advance good in the world, even if they were not friends. Terrell breaks down the collaborative writing process into three stages. The initial stage involves identifying impactful historical women, conducting enough research to confirm the story's substance, and choosing themes that resonate with contemporary relevance and personal interest for both authors. Victoria Nye's third collaboration illustrates an ongoing partnership that leverages these steps. Following this, both authors collaborate on a detailed outline, using it as the foundation for deeper, more focused research into the historical period, thereby ensuring a rich and nuanced narrative structure.
Victoria Christopher Murray emphasizes that historical research continues actively during the writing process. Writers need to investigate period-specific details prompted by narrative demands. For instance, when a character gets into a cab, writers must research what cabs were called during the era, what they looked like, and, crucially, how Black individua ...
Collaborative Writing and Rigorous Research for Historical Fiction
Heather Terrell describes the story as one of two unlikely allies—Carter and Adler—uniting for social improvement despite being on opposite sides of the law. Carter, the prosecutor, and Adler, the madam, join forces to expose mob violence against women and pursue justice, challenging the norms of their respective roles. Although they are not technically enemies, their partnership signifies a collaboration that crosses legal and social boundaries, showing that meaningful change often requires cooperation between those with different backgrounds and perspectives.
Terrell highlights that the real transformatio ...
Unlikely Alliances and Female Power in Social Change
This story focuses on the women who suffered abuse at the hands of organized crime but ultimately played a pivotal role in bringing down notorious mobsters like Lucky Luciano.
Victoria Christopher Murray reflects on her original misconceptions about organized prostitution, admitting she was unaware of the extreme violence and abuse women endured within the industry. Research and personal stories revealed the harsh conditions these women faced, highlighting the brutality and exploitation perpetrated by organized crime.
Despite ongoing threats from the mob and the intense societal stigma attached to their involvement in prostitution, many women courageously stepped forward to assist in the prosecution of figures like Lucky Luciano. According to Murray, they faced grave dangers and overwhelming pressure, yet their commitment to justice was unwavering. She and her co-author Maria often describe these women as fearless for testifying and participating in the case, even during circumstances that would have given them every reason to be afraid.
Official records and historical narratives often focus on prosecutors and high-profile figures such as madams, while neglecting the critical efforts o ...
Women Exploited by Organized Crime Who Helped Bring Down the Mob
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