In this episode of NPR's Book of the Day, Maoz Inon and Aziz Abu-Sarah discuss their unlikely partnership and their book exploring tourism as a path to peace between Israelis and Palestinians. Both men have experienced profound personal loss—Maoz lost his parents in the October 7th Hamas attacks, while Aziz lost his brother to Israeli forces as a child. Rather than seeking revenge, they chose to forge an alliance based on shared humanity and a commitment to peacebuilding.
The conversation covers how travel and tourism can break down walls of ignorance, the social costs both men face for their peace advocacy, and the importance of mutual historical understanding between Israelis and Palestinians. Drawing on examples from other historically intractable conflicts, they argue that peace is not only possible but inevitable, emphasizing that the real question is how many lives will be lost before it arrives.

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Maoz Inon lost his parents in the Hamas attacks of October 7th when their kibbutz was stormed and their home burned. Rather than seeking vengeance, he experienced a vision of collective mourning where humanity's tears could wash away blood and create a path to peace. Aziz Abu-Sarah lost his older brother Taysir to Israeli forces as a child, which initially filled him with anger. However, after meeting a Jewish Israeli teacher who recognized his humanity and Palestinian identity, he realized the true division isn't between Israelis and Palestinians, but between those dedicated to justice, equality, and peace and those who are not.
During Maoz's darkest hours of grief, Aziz reached out with compassion—a message Maoz describes as a lifeline that saved him from drowning. Maoz reflects that while he lost his parents and many friends, he gained Aziz as a brother. Both men chose to forge an alliance rather than perpetuate cycles of hatred, recognizing the humanity of individuals instead of maintaining animosity based on group identity.
Maoz reflects on traveling the world twice with his wife Shlomit and a profound realization during a 2014 stay with an indigenous family in Ecuador. Despite knowing so much about communities elsewhere, they didn't have a single Palestinian friend back home in Israel. Maoz describes living "within walls of ignorance," which breed fear and hatred. This led them to see tourism as a means to "open gates" and enable Israelis and Palestinians to meet as equals and discover common ground.
Aziz provides examples of transformative relationships through shared work. During one Israeli election, Israeli tour guides offered their votes to Palestinian co-guides who had no voting rights, acknowledging their shared fate. In another instance, an Israeli Jewish couple chose their Palestinian tour guide friend to officiate their wedding, transcending religious and ethnic divisions.
However, pursuing peace comes with social costs. Maoz recounts facing criticism from Jewish-Israeli friends, colleagues, and family who accused him of betrayal. Aziz similarly receives criticism from Palestinians who question working with Israelis during difficult times like the situation in Gaza. Both argue that peacebuilding demands not just dialogue but action that challenges injustice.
Aziz recounts when his father questioned whether the Holocaust happened during a peace meeting. Israeli peace activist Rami'l-Hanan, whose daughter died in a suicide bombing and whose father survived Auschwitz, invited Aziz's father to visit the Holocaust Museum with no pressure to agree, only to listen. All 70 Palestinians present agreed to visit, and the experience was emotionally challenging. This openness led Israelis to reciprocally visit a Palestinian village destroyed in 1948, creating space for deeper conversations.
Aziz emphasizes that Israelis must likewise acknowledge the Nakba—the 1948 displacement of 750,000 Palestinians—which many continue to ignore or deny. Maoz affirms this denial, stating plainly that Israelis he grew up with are ignoring the Nakba. Despite these diverging historical perspectives, both stress that peace doesn't require complete agreement on history. Instead, their work focuses on the future as a place for both peoples to exercise agency and create meaningful change.
Maoz asserts that history proves all conflicts eventually end, regardless of duration. According to Maoz, this pattern shows peace is inevitable, and the essential questions are when it will happen and how many lives will be lost before it does. Aziz highlights lessons from historically intractable conflicts like Northern Ireland, South Africa, and the Egypt-Israel peace agreement. In each case, just prior to peace agreements, public sentiment overwhelmingly doubted resolution was possible—yet every conflict was eventually solved.
Drawing on extensive experience in conflict zones, Aziz emphasizes the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not uniquely unsolvable. Through founding Interact, their joint organization dedicated to studying and advancing peace processes, they demonstrate that trust-building and pursuit of shared goals are possible even amid violence and trauma. Their relationship itself models that conflict is not an inevitable or permanent condition, but one that can be consciously addressed and resolved through human agency and cooperation.
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Maoz Inon recounts the devastating loss of his parents in the Hamas attacks of October 7th. Their kibbutz was stormed, his parents were shot, and their home burned to the ground. Despite the enormity of this grief, rather than seeking vengeance, Maoz experienced a vision of collective mourning and healing. Through his tears, he envisioned all of humanity sharing in his pain, with their tears washing away blood and creating a purified ground—a symbolic path to peace and reconciliation.
Aziz Abu-Sarah describes the loss of his beloved older brother, Taysir, who was killed by Israeli forces when Aziz was a child. This loss originally filled Aziz with anger and a desire for vengeance, but years later, during a Hebrew class, he met an Israeli teacher—a Jewish woman—who recognized his humanity and Palestinian identity. Her kindness and recognition helped him understand the fallacy of rigid divisions between groups. Aziz realized that the true division lies between those dedicated to justice, equality, and peace and those who are not, rather than between Israelis and Palestinians.
Both men chose to recognize the humanity of individuals instead of perpetuating animosity based on group identity.
During the darkest hours of mourning his parents, Maoz received a message from Aziz, who reached out with compassion. Maoz describes this message as more than digital communication—it was a lifeline that saved him from drowning in grief. Maoz reflects that although he lost his parents and many childhood friends, he gained Aziz as a brother. Rather than allowing their losses to lead to a cycle of revenge, both men saw the ...
Personal Transformation Through Grief and Forgiveness
Travel and tourism can be powerful tools for peacebuilding by fostering direct contact and shared experiences between individuals from divided communities. Through these interactions, ignorance, fear, and hatred can be dismantled, paving the way for true coexistence and understanding.
Maoz Inon reflects on traveling the world twice with his wife, Shlomit, and how these journeys brought about a profound realization. While staying with an indigenous family in Ecuador in 2014, they learned about the family's lifestyle, culture, heritage, and food. Inon recognized an irony: despite knowing so much about indigenous communities elsewhere, they did not have even a single Palestinian friend back home in Israel. They lived "within walls," both literally and metaphorically. Inon describes these as "walls of ignorance," which breed fear and lead to hatred—the prevailing reality in their society. This revelation led them to decide that tourism could be used as a means to "open gates" and break down these barriers, enabling Israelis and Palestinians to meet as equals and discover common ground. Through travel and shared experiences, they saw that the walls of separation were actively preventing understanding and dialogue, and that tourism could be a vehicle for changing this reality. When both sides engage as partners, Israelis and Palestinians can see each other as allies instead of enemies.
Aziz Abu-Sarah provides specific examples of how shared work and tourism can create transformative relationships. For instance, during one Israeli election, Israeli guides recognized that their Palestinian co-guides, though impacted by Israeli policies, had no right to vote. As a gesture of solidarity, some Israeli guides offered their votes to their Palestinian counterparts, acknowledging their shared fate and the importance of Palestinians' voices.
Another powerful story involves an Israeli Jewish couple searching for a rabbi to officiate their wedding. They realized their closest friend was not a rabbi, but a Palestinian tour guide. They chose him to officiate the Jewish wedding, an act that transcended religious and ethnic divisions. These untold stories reveal that, through genuine cooperation and friendship, people from both communities can move beyond enmity and begin to see one another as partners.
Pursuing ...
Travel and Tourism as Peacebuilding Tools
Mutual understanding of historical trauma is necessary for Israeli-Palestinian dialogue. Both sides must recognize the pivotal events in each other's collective memory to foster genuine engagement and peacebuilding.
Aziz Abu-Sarah recounts an experience where his father, reflecting a broader skepticism found in some Palestinian communities, openly questioned whether the Holocaust happened during a peace meeting. In response, peace activist Rami'l-Hanan—an Israeli who had lost his daughter in a suicide bombing and whose father survived Auschwitz—invited Aziz’s father to visit the Holocaust Museum, assuring him there was no pressure to agree or believe, only to listen.
Aziz’s father agreed to this invitation, as did 70 Palestinians present at the gathering. The visit proved emotionally challenging, with people crying throughout the day and asking very difficult questions. This openness led to a reciprocal gesture from Israelis in attendance, expressing their willingness to learn about Palestinian history. They asked to visit a Palestinian village destroyed in 1948, an experience facilitated by Palestinians from that village. Both exchanges, though difficult, created space for deeper conversations—demonstrating that such dialogues are necessary for genuine peace.
Aziz emphasizes that Israelis must likewise confront and acknowledge the Nakba—the 1948 displacement of 750,000 Palestinians—which many Israelis continue to ignore or deny in the national narrative. Maoz Inon affirms this denial, stating plainly that Israelis, including those he grew up with, are for a fact ignoring the Nakba. Recognizing the Nakba requires Israelis to confront painful truths about their nation’s founding and the ongoing impact of this event on Palestinian lives.
Facilitating Israeli-Palestinian engagement, like the reciprocal visits descri ...
Mutual Historical Understanding
Maoz Inon asserts that history proves all conflicts eventually end, regardless of how long they last—whether days, weeks, months, years, decades, or even centuries. According to Inon, this historical pattern shows that peace is inevitable, and “history is with us.” He contends that the essential questions are not about whether a conflict will end, but rather when it will happen and how many lives will be lost before it does. By reframing peace as inevitable, the focus shifts to the timeline and the interim human cost before resolution is achieved.
Aziz Abu-Sarah highlights the lessons learned from historically intractable conflicts that ultimately achieved peace. He points to instances such as Northern Ireland, South Africa, and the peace agreement between Egypt and Israel to illustrate his point. Aziz notes that in each of these cases, just prior to the actual peace agreements, public sentiment overwhelmingly doubted that resolution was possible. People believed peace was impossible—echoing the current skepticism over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Yet, every one of those conflicts was eventually solved. To bring insights from these historical precedents to the present, Aziz and Maoz founded Interact, a joint organization dedicated to the study and advancement of peace processes for the current conflict.
The Feasibility and Inevitability of Peace
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