In this episode of NPR's Book of the Day, poet and former US Poet Laureate Joy Harjo discusses her journey from aspiring medical student to poet. Initially believing her Native community needed practical professionals rather than artists, Harjo's perspective shifts when she encounters Indigenous poets expressing their experiences through verse. This discovery leads her to embrace poetry as her path, despite uncertainty about its practicality.
The conversation explores how Harjo transforms pain into creative and spiritual growth, examining her approach to processing trauma and depression through writing. She discusses poetry's role in Indigenous communities as a tool for reclaiming narratives and resisting erasure from America's foundational story. Harjo also shares her philosophy on forgiveness and how engaging with pain—rather than avoiding it—reveals stories that offer new insights and foster resilience.

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Joy Harjo initially pursues pre-med in college, believing her Native community needs practical professionals like doctors and lawyers—not poets. Although she loves words and poetry as a child, she never sees it as a legitimate or purposeful path. Her perspective shifts when she encounters Native poets expressing Indigenous experiences, showing her that poetry is a powerful tool for understanding and affirmation. This revelation inspires her to begin writing herself. Despite the impracticality and lack of a clear career path, Harjo chooses to trust her creative instincts and commits to poetry, persisting through doubt and external pressures.
Harjo explores how pain can be transformed into creative and spiritual growth. She views pain as energy that holds stories waiting to be uncovered, describing it as a compacted point signaling something important beneath the surface. During her student years at the University of New Mexico, while struggling with depression and injustice, she consciously chooses to examine her pain rather than let it destroy her, repurposing it to understand herself and the world more deeply.
To cope with trauma from her stepfather, Harjo creates an "immense house of imagination" as refuge and relies on her spiritual life to transcend suffering. She practices forgiveness while clarifying that it doesn't erase truth or absolve perpetrators of responsibility. Harjo recognizes that even those who cause harm have their own stories, and this understanding shapes her approach to historical trauma in Indigenous communities. For her, confronting these complex stories is essential to healing, both individually and collectively.
Harjo highlights that Indigenous peoples have been excluded from America's foundational narrative despite being at its forefront. Poetry becomes a way for these communities to reclaim their narratives and resist erasure, pushing back against centuries of marginalization. Her tenure as US Poet Laureate deepens her belief in poetry's necessity, as she witnesses how it supports healing, connection, and enlightenment across diverse groups. Poetry offers a way to process both collective and individual experiences, serving as a bridge across differences and helping communities heal during times of political and climate challenges.
Harjo's forgiveness philosophy emerges from her decision to engage actively with her depression rather than allowing pain to destroy her. This approach involves examining the roots of suffering and understanding its meaning, particularly relevant to Indigenous historical trauma. By listening carefully to painful experiences, Harjo uncovers perspectives that offer new insights, recognizing that each episode of pain carries a story revealing previously overlooked meaning. This conscious engagement allows her to reclaim agency over her narrative, extracting wisdom rather than perpetuating cycles of suffering and fostering resilience and empathy.
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Joy Harjo grows up believing that her native community requires professionals such as doctors, health care workers, attorneys, and educators—not poets. When she starts college, she chooses a pre-med path because she thinks this will be most useful for her community. Although she loves words and poetry as a child, she never sees poetry as something that truly belongs to her or as a legitimate and purposeful path. The expectation is that practical work is needed, and poetry seems to have no clear use or value.
Harjo's perception changes when she encounters Native poets. Witnessing Native poets expressing their perspectives shows her that poetry is, in fact, a powerful tool for understanding, affirmation, and expression of Indigenous experience. This revelation prompts her to begin writing herself. Although her first poems aren't very good, she starts writing, and a creative impulse takes over that she can't fully explain. Through this process, she recognizes that poetry also fulfills vital ...
Joy Harjo's Path: Overcoming Doubt and Finding Her Voice in Native Poetry
Joy Harjo explores the ways in which pain can be transformed into a source of creative and spiritual growth. Through poetry and reflective practice, she finds meaning in experiences of trauma, using them to construct deeper understanding and insight.
Harjo describes how poetry teaches her that everything, including pain, is energy. She sees pain as a compacted point that signals something important beneath the surface—a story waiting to be uncovered. Rather than letting pain be destructive, she believes it can be used as a tool. For Harjo, pain holds stories to be heard and truths to be understood.
Harjo recounts a time during her student years at the University of New Mexico when she struggled with depression and a heavy sense of injustice. She consciously chose not to let her accumulated pain and injustice destroy her. Instead, she examined them closely and repurposed them, seeking the stories within as a way to understand herself and the world more deeply.
Harjo discusses her stepfather, noting that while he entered her life through her mother’s decision, he became a profound if painful teacher. He was a source of trauma, but in response, Harjo created an “immense house of imagination” as a refuge, where she could escape the harm he caused.
In addition to imagination, Harjo credits her spiritual life as a means of coping with and escaping pain. Through spirituality, she found a way to find herself and transcend the suffering caused by her stepfather and the broader injustices she faced.
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Transforming Pain Into Creative and Spiritual Insight
Joy Harjo highlights that Indigenous peoples have been excluded from America's foundational narrative, noting that despite being at the forefront of the nation's story, Indigenous communities have largely been disappeared from what is considered the American story. Poetry becomes a way for these communities to reclaim their narratives and assert their presence. Through verse, Indigenous voices push back against centuries of marginalization, using poetry to resist erasure and ensure their experiences and perspectives are not only heard but remembered.
Harjo’s tenure as US Poet Laureate deepened her belief in the beauty and necessity of poetry. She finds herself deeply moved by witnessing how poetry supports healing, conne ...
Poetry's Role in Indigenous Communities and Society
A University of New Mexico student, Harjo, develops a forgiveness philosophy rooted in her personal decision to interact actively with her depression. Rather than allowing pain to destroy her, she chooses to analyze and repurpose it. This process involves examining the roots of her suffering and understanding its meaning, rather than pushing it aside or internalizing it destructively.
Harjo’s method also addresses broader collective experiences, particularly relevant to Indigenous historical trauma. Instead of absorbing the pain passed down through generations, she believes in acknowledging and working through it, transforming it into something different rather than simply carrying its burden. Her approach highlights the importance of facing pain directly and converting it into an opportunity for transformation and healing, rather than allowing it to define or consume her or her community.
By listening carefully to her painful experiences, Harjo uncovers unexamined perspectives that offer new insights. She recognizes that each episode of pain carries a s ...
Forgiveness Philosophy: Finding Stories, Not Destruction, In Pain
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