In this episode of NPR's Book of the Day, Scott Simon and Yann Martel explore Martel's novel "Son of Nobody," which uses an unconventional dual-narrative structure to tell two parallel stories. The book features fragments of a lost Trojan War epic about a commoner named Soad on the upper half of each page, while the lower half contains footnotes and scenes from the contemporary life of academic Harlow Dunn. Martel discusses how this structure elevates the often-overlooked "footnote" stories and perspectives of ordinary people.
The conversation touches on how traditional epics like Homer's Iliad focus on elites while dismissing common voices, and how Martel's novel challenges this hierarchy. Martel also draws connections between ancient conflicts and modern personal struggles, particularly the breakdown of Harlow's marriage as he pursues an academic opportunity. Throughout, Martel argues that every person's story holds value and that grand narratives are built from the accumulation of quieter, individual experiences.

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Yann Martel structures "Son of Nobody" using a dual narrative across two tracks of half-pages. Above the line appear fragments from the SOAD, the lost epic, while below the line are footnotes and scenes from the family life of Harlow Dunn. Martel explains that this approach allows each narrative to have its own space and exist independently, rather than confining the story to flashbacks that would relegate the lost epic to the background. He elevates footnotes to a central narrative function, saying he likes the idea of letting a footnote have a starring role because "we're all footnotes to a greater story." This design allows the SOAD fragments to exist in their ancient context while the lower portion provides contemporary commentary and scenes, giving readers a layered perspective.
Yann Martel's novel shifts from the traditional epic focus on elites to the often-overlooked "common person" in stories about the Trojan War. Scott Simon describes how Martel's protagonist, Harlow Dunn, discovers a lost epic about a commoner named Soad.
Martel observes that Homer's Iliad is dominated by kings, queens, gods, and princes. Only one commoner, Thersites, is heard—and when he questions Agamemnon's authority and the war's purpose, Odysseus beats him while the rest cheer. Martel explains that Thersites asks why ordinary Greek soldiers should suffer for a single man's wife, yet his rebellion is dismissed despite modern readers finding sense in his questions. In contrast, Soad in Martel's novel persistently questions the war's purpose, challenging the elites and encouraging a reevaluation of whose stories matter.
Martel argues that there is no truly "ordinary" person; every story and perspective is valuable. He asserts that epic tales like the Iliad are not the work of a single genius but emerge from the collective contributions of countless bards across generations. The grand narratives are built from the accumulation of these quieter, often overlooked stories, making every human story fundamentally valuable to the greater tapestry.
Martel draws a direct parallel between the mythic siege of the Trojan War and contemporary personal struggles, particularly the dissolution of a marriage. He highlights the resonance between the catastrophic clash of Greeks and Trojans and the painful unraveling of Harlow Dunn and Gale's family. Harlow receives a prestigious academic offer from Oxford to pursue his "life-making project," mirroring how the Greeks left their homeland to fight far from home. His decision becomes his own personal campaign, one that brings a chance for discovery and glory but at great personal cost.
Martel contends that family breakdowns parallel historical wars in both their destructiveness and potential for meaning. A family emergency draws Harlow and Gale together in grief, but this moment of unity also intensifies their separation. The process is marked by profound loss, yet out of such turbulent experiences can come growth, personal discovery, and a hope of bestowing meaning upon the next generation. These individual battles, Martel suggests, are the modern equivalents of Greece's ancient wars—painful and formative, ultimately shaping lives and legacies.
Martel emphasizes that the true essence of life is found in "footnotes"—the quieter, less celebrated stories and perspectives. He points out that the grandeur of the Iliad was not the creation of a single genius, but the collective result of hundreds of bards whose countless personal stories accumulated into epic narratives. Martel rejects the idea that any person or story is truly "ordinary," asserting that everyone has a story worth telling and celebrating. By cherishing these quieter voices, we come to appreciate the true complexity and richness of life.
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Yann Martel structures "Son of Nobody" using a dual narrative across two tracks of half-pages. Above the line appear fragments from the SOAD, the lost epic, while below the line are footnotes and scenes from the family life of Harlow Dunn. Martel explains that this approach allows each narrative to have its own space and exist independently. He avoids confining the story to a single time frame or relying solely on flashbacks, which would relegate the lost epic fragments to the background. Instead, this structure connects and separates the ancient lost epic and Harlow Dunn’s story, letting each breathe on its own terms. Fragments of the lost tradition occupy the upper space, while modern family life and analysis unfold beneath.
Martel elevates footnotes to a central narrative function rather than leaving them as afterthoughts. He says he likes the idea of letting a footnot ...
Narrative Structure and Storytelling In "Son of Nobody"
Jan Martel’s novel, Son of Nobody, offers a shift from the traditional epic focus on elites to the often-overlooked "common person" in stories about the Trojan War. Scott Simon describes how Martel’s protagonist, Harlow Dunn, a Canadian classicist, discovers a lost epic through a pottery shard—not about kings or demigods, but a commoner, Soad.
Yann Martel observes that in Homer’s Iliad, the narrative is dominated by the voices of kings, queens, gods, and princes. Only a single commoner, Thersites, is heard—and when he dares to question Agamemnon’s authority and the war’s purpose, other Greek soldiers don’t rally to his side. Instead, Odysseus beats him and the rest cheer, while Thersites is described derisively, even as the “ugliest man” in the army.
Martel explains that Thersites’ rebellion echoes Achilles’ resistance but is dismissed by the narrative and his peers, despite modern readers finding sense in his questions. Thersites asks why ordinary Greek soldiers should suffer and die for the sake of a single man’s wife—pointing to issues of power and exploitation that resonate today. In contrast to the soldiers’ obedience in the Iliad, Soad in Martel’s novel persistently questions the war’s purpose, challenging the elites and encouraging a reevaluation of whose stories matter in epic tales.
Martel emphasizes the madness of war and how both Achilles and Soad are driven to reckless confrontations: Achilles fights for glory, while Soad, an ill-equipped common soldier, attempts to face a Trojan prince out of a desperate urge to end the violence. Soad’s struggle highlights the perspective of those at the margins rather than at the top of epic storytelling.
Martel argues that there is no tru ...
Social Classes and the "Common Person" in Trojan War Epics
Yann Martel draws a direct parallel between the mythic siege of the Trojan War and contemporary personal struggles, particularly the dissolution of a marriage and the pursuit of passionate goals. He argues that revisiting the past, like the Trojan War, can shed light on the present, illuminating the human cost and complexity at the heart of both ancient and modern conflicts.
Martel highlights the deep resonance between the catastrophic clash of Greeks and Trojans and the painful unraveling of a family in today’s world. He sees not just the external warfare of the ancient world but “a war writ small” in the personal sphere—a couple, Harlow Dunn and Gale, falling apart while navigating their daughter Helen’s presence, echoing Helen of Troy. Harlow receives a prestigious academic offer from Oxford to pursue his “life-making project,” mirroring how the Greeks left their homeland to fight far from home. His decision to leave Canada for England becomes his own personal campaign, one that brings a chance for discovery and glory but at great personal cost, just as the Greeks’ supposed victory led to the decline of their civilization.
Martel points out that Harlow’s passion for his work—uncovering the tradition of Trojan War narratives lost to history—consumes him. This drive, likened to the all-absorbing focus of Howard Carter’s discovery of Tutankhamen’s tomb, causes him to drift further from his family. Yet, Harlow dedicates his work to his daughter, trying to turn his sacrifice into a gift of glory for her as the Greeks sought eternal renown through their struggle and loss.
Martel contends that family breakdowns and modern strife parallel historical wars in both their destructiveness and potential for meaning. ...
Parallels Between the Trojan War and Modern Conflicts
Yann Martel emphasizes that the true essence of life is found in "footnotes"—the quieter, less celebrated stories and perspectives. He suggests that these stories offer valuable insights and illuminate the present, much like the lost epic "Soad" for the Trojan War. Martel points out that the grandeur of something like the Iliad was not the creation of a single genius, but the collective result of hundreds of bards. These bards, with their countless personal stories and iterations, accumulated a richness through their "footnotes," building up to the epic narratives now revered. Martel believes that celebrating these quieter voices reveals the real richness of the human experience.
Martel rejects the idea that any person or story is truly "ordinary," including himself as someone with a middle-class background. He ...
Value of "Ordinary" or "Footnote" Stories and Perspectives
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