In this Modern Wisdom episode, Dr. Andrew Huberman and Chris Williamson explore the body's biological rhythms and their impact on daily life. They discuss how cortisol affects energy levels and sleep patterns, the role of morning sunlight in setting daily rhythms, and the ways diet and supplements can influence sleep quality. The conversation includes insights about interpreting health trends and media narratives around scientific discoveries.
The episode also delves into the connection between mind and body, examining how the brain forms habits and maintains self-control. Williamson shares his personal experiences with chronic health conditions, while Huberman explains how spiritual practices can aid in managing life's challenges. Their discussion covers practical approaches to improving sleep, managing stress, and maintaining overall well-being through both biological and psychological strategies.

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Andrew Huberman explains that cortisol, while known as a stress hormone, plays a crucial role in managing daily energy levels and sleep patterns. Cortisol levels peak in the morning to facilitate wakefulness and gradually decline throughout the day. Morning sunlight exposure can boost cortisol levels by up to 50%, setting a healthy rhythm for the day. Disruptions to this natural cortisol curve, such as late-day intense workouts, can negatively impact sleep quality and mood.
According to Huberman, dietary choices significantly influence sleep quality. He suggests that individuals on very low-carb diets might experience sleep disruptions due to elevated cortisol levels. Including some starchy carbohydrates in the final meal of the day can help regulate cortisol and promote better sleep. For supplementation, Huberman recommends magnesium threonate or bisglycinate for their cognitive and sleep-enhancing benefits, while expressing caution about melatonin supplements, particularly for adolescents.
Huberman and Chris Williamson discuss how health discoveries typically follow a pattern: initial excitement, followed by backlash, and eventually reaching balanced acceptance. They emphasize the importance of understanding this cycle when interpreting current health media narratives. Huberman stresses the value of practitioners with broad real-world experience in interpreting health trends beyond conventional academic studies.
Chris Williamson shares his challenging journey through Lyme disease, mold exposure, and autoimmunity. His experience included various treatments, from conventional antibiotics to alternative therapies in different countries. The psychological impact was significant, with Williamson describing cognitive impairments as trying to "think through mud." Despite setbacks, he persevered, eventually improving his quality of life from what he describes as a "three or four" to a "seven or eight."
Huberman explores the brain's role in habit formation and self-control, particularly highlighting the prefrontal cortex's function in suppressing impulses. He discusses how spiritual practices, including prayer and meditation, can ease the burden of constant self-control. Drawing from examples like Alcoholics Anonymous, Huberman suggests that believing in something greater than oneself can provide psychological benefits and help manage life's challenges more effectively.
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Understanding cortisol's role can aid in managing energy levels throughout the day and regulating sleep patterns.
Cortisol, typically known for its involvement in stress responses, has a primary job of deploying energy for the brain and body to react to stressors. Its fluctuation is a natural response, elevating during stress and decreasing afterward, unless excessive rumination on the stressor occurs. Cortisol levels are at their lowest during the first few hours of sleep and begin to rise about two-thirds of the way through the night, contributing to wakefulness.
The cortisol awakening response is a crucial factor in morning alertness, with levels peaking in the morning to facilitate wakefulness and focus. Morning light exposure can increase this cortisol spike by up to 50%, which is beneficial as cortisol starts to drop later in the morning and into the afternoon. This pattern of cortisol rising after waking and peaking in the morning is critical for sleep-wake cycle regulation.
Andrew Huberman highlights the significance of morning sunlight in spiking cortisol levels, which increases energy and sets the tone for the day. Seeking bright light within the first hour of waking can boost cortisol levels significantly, and this mechanism operates independently from the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis. It's an innate response to provide energy to lean into the day's activities.
Disruptions to the cortisol rhythm, such as spiking levels with late-day intense workouts, can shift or flatten the morning cortisol peak. This affects the timing of melatonin peaks and troughs, subsequently harming daytime mood, focus, alertness, and nighttime sleep. Chronic stress from disrupted cortisol curves can negatively impact sleep and memory over time.
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Optimizing Health, Sleep, and Biological Rhythms
The role of dietary choices, nighttime routines, and supplementation strategies occupies an essential place in the pursuit of better sleep quality for individuals.
Andrew Huberman posits that individuals with a very low starch intake might find their sleep disrupted due to a negative impact on cortisol levels.
Chris Williamson recounts his own experiences with a low-carb diet causing sleep disturbances, leading him to feel "wired but tired" and in a state of "ambient anxiety," which can be likened to an adrenaline-like state. On a diet low in carbohydrates, one's baseline cortisol may be elevated, with the typical morning peak and evening drop in cortisol becoming overall higher than it would normally be.
Huberman recommends not consuming a large amount of starch in the evening but including some starchy carbohydrates in the final meal, such as rice, oatmeal, homemade pasta, or sourdough bread, which can help with falling and staying asleep. These starchy, warm "comfort foods" are known to suppress cortisol levels, as they indicate to the brain and adrenals that the body does not need to mobilize energy from stored sources.
Huberman and others discuss several substances and behaviors that can enhance sleep quality.
Supplements like magnesium threonate or bisglycinate, which cross the blood-brain barrier more readily, are recommended by Huberman for their cognitive and sleep-enhancing benefits. He also mentions other helpful compounds for sle ...
The Interplay of Diet, Supplements, and Lifestyle Factors
Chris Williamson and Andrew Huberman delve into the intricate world of scientific discovery, challenging traditional views and understanding the roller-coaster of public perception.
Discussing the cycles of acceptance in the health and wellness space, they describe how health media narratives can swing from excitement to backlash before finally arriving at balanced acceptance.
Huberman outlines the natural arc of health discoveries, where the introduction of novel concepts—like the glymphatic system or new insights on [restricted term]—often results in a wave of excitement, which can lead to premature promotion and hype. Following the initial enthusiasm, criticism arises, often challenging these new ideas’ worth and impact. However, should the discovery be valid, gradual acceptance and integration into the mainstream occur.
Huberman illustrates this cycle using vitamin D3, creatine, and the shifting opinions on alcohol consumption, noting that understanding this dynamic can clarify today's health media narratives. He proposes that the public's changing opinions on these substances reflect a broader trend that cycles through excitement, criticism, and acceptance. By referencing the Cassandra complex displayed in the cases of notable figures like Copernicus and Galileo, as well as the overlooked contributions of Alfred Russell Wallace, Huberman implies that historical resistance to new ideas frames the current landscape.
Huberman discusses the critical value of multidisciplinary perspectives in interpreting health trends, as practitioners with broad real-world experience possess insights beyond conventional academic studies or media narratives.
While no explicit comparison was made between the insights of these multidisciplinary individuals and academic or media narrati ...
Navigating the Media and Scientific Landscape
Chris Williamson's harrowing journey through Lyme disease, mold exposure, and autoimmunity has become a tale of perseverance and hope in the wake of chronic illness.
Chris Williamson's complex ordeal is highlighted by various treatments for his chronic conditions. After trying all basic treatments, including [restricted term] and [restricted term], he traveled to Tijuana for an intra jugular line and to Vienna for hypothermia treatment. Changes were made to his diet and training regime, and lifestyle adjustments became a necessity.
A frightening experience with a migraine led him to undergo extensive testing, where concerns about detoxing from substances like gadolinium arose. He made use of sauna sessions with binders like [restricted term] or charcoal body wash to rid his body of mold, which was confirmed to be present through a Total Tox test. Deep dives into tests with specialists were made, such as FISH tests with Dr. Carsten, and working with Matt Cook on peptide treatments. Williamson faced infections and conditions like H. pylori, candida, and SIBO, which necessitated a complex interplay of antibiotics.
Through these health challenges, Williamson conveys a tale of persistence and tenacity. While he appeared healthy on the outside, he faced a continuous battle to reclaim his preferred level of health and has refused to settle for a lowered standard of living. He also acknowledges the advantage of having access to extensive medical resources for his recovery journey.
The psychological struggle is a significant aspect of Chris's narrative. He describes cognitive impairments as trying to "think through mud," where everyday tasks like tying shoes became daunting. Public reactions ranged from disbelief to assumptions that his symptoms were psychosomatic, reflecting the misunderstanding surrounding chronic illness. This challenging period led him to focus on goals like maintaining his show and prioritizing recuperation, which included embracing self-care rituals like getting ample sleep and sticking to a strict diet.
Williamson felt a profound sense of identity loss, marking a period where his cognitive agility and his health dramatically slipp ...
Personal Journeys With Health Challenges and Self-Discovery
The discussion between Huberman and Williamson explores the fascinating interplay between the brain's structure and its influence on habits, self-control, and the potential role of spirituality in managing life's challenges.
Huberman dives into the intricacies of the human brain, focusing on neuroplasticity and the persistence of neural pathways. He likens the lasting effect of neural maps to the lifelong memory of how to ride a bike. Within this context, he discusses the brain's involvement in habits and behaviors, with the hypothalamus playing a role in consummatory behaviors—the ventromedial hypothalamus in particular.
In managing habits and addictions, Huberman highlights the critical function of "top-down control," where the prefrontal cortex suppresses the activity of subcortical neurons, such as those in the hypothalamus. He likens the prefrontal cortex to a "shush" structure that allows individuals to refrain from impulses, like reaching for a cookie or making an impulsive remark. This form of control can be learned and may eventually become unnecessary, unless the individual is exposed to the forbidden action again.
Huberman elaborates on the immense self-control someone recently sober must exert to resist alcohol, which involves engaging the prefrontal cortex to manage impulsive behavior. He also discusses managing reflexive responses, such as a spark of temper, by pausing and listening to one's own thoughts, thereby controlling the impulse to feed non-adaptive thoughts.
Later, Huberman touches on the role of a higher power in Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), emphasizing how it alleviates the constant need for self-control. By entrusting a higher power, individuals rely less on their willpower, which can make overcoming habits and addictions more manageable.
In his daily routine, Huberman includes prayer, a practice he has followed every night for several years. He suggests that prayer could be considered neurobiological and resonates well with his own biology, indicating the psychological and physiological benefits it provides.
Spiritual beliefs and experiences, such as those encountered during prayer or in the creative process among artists, often entail a sense of something transcending oneself. Huberman acknowledges the central role of belief in a higher power for those getting sober through AA and proposes that ...
Mind-Body Connection: Psychology and Spirituality's Role
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