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#960 - Dr Jerry Coyne - The Spiciest Ideas Of Evolutionary Biology

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In this episode of Modern Wisdom, evolutionary biologist Dr. Jerry Coyne discusses key concepts in evolutionary biology, including how species form and remain distinct through reproductive isolation. He explores human evolution and genetic differentiation among populations, using molecular clock analysis and studies of various species to explain how populations diverge over time.

The discussion also covers biological sex differences, with Coyne examining evidence from MRI scans and great ape behavior to explain behavioral patterns in humans. He addresses current debates about evolutionary science, including how ideological views can affect the interpretation of scientific evidence regarding sex and race differences, and discusses what he terms the "reverse naturalistic fallacy" in scientific understanding.

#960 - Dr Jerry Coyne - The Spiciest Ideas Of Evolutionary Biology

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#960 - Dr Jerry Coyne - The Spiciest Ideas Of Evolutionary Biology

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Speciation and the Origin of Species

Jerry Coyne has focused his research on understanding speciation—a key aspect that Darwin's "Origin of Species" left unresolved. Coyne's work examines how continuous evolution produces discrete species, analyzing genetic differences between populations and the mechanisms that maintain species boundaries. His research demonstrates that species remain distinct through reproductive isolation barriers, which prevent gene mixing between different species.

Using molecular clock analysis and studies of Drosophila populations, Coyne has mapped out how species diverge over time. He points to human evolution as an example, noting how major migrations out of Africa 50-60,000 years ago led to genetic differentiation among human populations, with modern genetic analysis showing remarkable accuracy in identifying self-reported racial groups.

Biological Sex Differences and Evolutionary Psychology

Coyne argues that differences between men and women have both social and evolutionary foundations. He points to evidence from MRI scans that can detect sex differences in developing babies' brains, and notes similar behavioral patterns in our closest relatives, the great apes. According to Coyne, evolutionary psychology provides testable predictions about human behavior, including why men tend to be more risk-taking and show more sexual jealousy.

Coyne challenges the view that sex and gender are purely social constructs, emphasizing that while non-binary gender identities may reflect psychological aspects unique to humans, the biological reality of two sexes is universal across animal and plant species.

Ideological and Political Debates Around Evolutionary Science

Coyne discusses how leftist ideology can distort scientific understanding, particularly regarding race and sex differences. He describes what he calls a "reverse naturalistic fallacy," where people expect nature to conform to their ideological views rather than accepting objective scientific evidence. According to Coyne, this preference for comfort over truth extends beyond science and represents a broader human tendency to favor beliefs that feel good over empirical evidence.

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  • The molecular clock analysis is a method that uses genetic mutations to estimate when different species diverged in evolutionary history. It relies on the assumption that the rate of genetic change is relatively constant over time. By comparing genetic differences between species, scientists can infer the timing of evolutionary events. This technique helps researchers understand the timeline of species divergence and evolution.
  • Drosophila populations are groups of fruit flies belonging to the genus Drosophila. These populations are commonly used in genetic and evolutionary studies due to their short generation time and genetic variability. Researchers study these populations to understand how species diverge over time and to investigate mechanisms of speciation.
  • Evolutionary psychology is a field that studies how human behavior and cognition can be understood through the lens of evolution. It suggests that many of our behaviors and psychological traits have evolved over time due to their adaptive value in promoting survival and reproduction. By examining how certain behaviors may have provided evolutionary advantages in the past, evolutionary psychology can make predictions about present-day human behavior based on our ancestral history. These predictions are testable through various research methods, such as experiments, observational studies, and cross-cultural comparisons, to understand how evolutionary factors may influence our thoughts, emotions, and actions today.
  • The "reverse naturalistic fallacy" concept, as described by Jerry Coyne, involves the idea that individuals may try to make nature fit their ideological beliefs rather than accepting scientific evidence. It's a reversal of the traditional naturalistic fallacy, where people derive moral or ethical conclusions from natural facts. Coyne suggests that this tendency to prioritize personal comfort over objective truth can lead to misunderstandings and distortions in scientific understanding, particularly in contentious areas like race and sex differences.

Counterarguments

  • The concept of species and speciation is complex and debated among biologists, with some arguing that the boundaries between species are often more fluid and less clear-cut than traditional definitions suggest.
  • The interpretation of molecular clock analysis can be challenging due to the varying rates of mutation across different species and the influence of natural selection.
  • The relationship between genetic differentiation and the concept of race in humans is contentious, with many scientists arguing that race is a social construct with no significant genetic basis.
  • While MRI scans can show differences in brain structure, the interpretation of these differences and their link to behavior is not straightforward, and there is ongoing debate about the extent to which brain differences are due to biological versus environmental factors.
  • Evolutionary psychology is a field with many controversies, and some argue that it can oversimplify complex human behaviors or rely too heavily on just-so stories that are difficult to test empirically.
  • The assertion that men are inherently more risk-taking or more sexually jealous is debated, with some researchers pointing to cultural and social factors that heavily influence these behaviors.
  • The understanding of sex and gender is evolving, with increasing recognition of the complexity and variability of gender identity and biological sex characteristics, challenging the notion of a strict binary.
  • The claim that leftist ideology distorts scientific understanding can be seen as a politicization of science itself, and some would argue that science is influenced by a range of biases, not just those from one end of the political spectrum.
  • The concept of a "reverse naturalistic fallacy" may oversimplify the ways in which values and science interact, and some philosophers of science argue that science cannot be completely separated from the societal context in which it is conducted.
  • The preference for beliefs that feel good over empirical evidence is not limited to any particular ideology or group and can be a general human cognitive bias that affects all individuals regardless of their political or ideological leanings.

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#960 - Dr Jerry Coyne - The Spiciest Ideas Of Evolutionary Biology

Speciation and the Origin of Species

Jerry Coyne has made significant contributions to our understanding of speciation, the evolutionary process that gives rise to new species—a phenomenon Charles Darwin notably left unresolved.

Jerry Coyne's Research Focused On Speciation, the Evolutionary Origin of Species

Jerry Coyne targets one of the key issues that Charles Darwin's seminal work, "The Origin of Species," did not address due to the limited knowledge of the time—the mechanisms that lead to the formation of discrete species. Coyne was surprised to find that even modern evolution textbooks he reviewed when first teaching an evolution course did not include evidence for evolution. Instead, these texts took evolution for granted, skipping directly to topics like population genetics and the process of speciation.

Coyne has aimed to elucidate the nuanced genetic differences between human groups, often associated with race. By analyzing American individuals who self-identify with a particular race and comparing it to their genetic clusters, the self-identified races align with the genetic data with about 99.9% accuracy, illustrating the genetic distinctions within populations.

These genetic differences are a product of the same mechanisms that drive speciation. Isolated populations evolve independently when they do not exchange genes, leading to speciation. Coyne references major human out-of-Africa migrations around 50-60,000 years ago as an evolutionary milestone that contributed to genetic differentiation among human populations.

Coyne's technical book on speciation details how species come about and how they are defined. He also discusses using molecular clocks to determine the age of a pair of species by inspecting genetic divergences. This method is based on neutral mutation rates and population size rather than generation time.

Species Are Kept Separate by Reproductive Isolation Barriers

Coyne clarifies that the "lumpiness" of nature—in other words, distinct species—is maintained by reproductive isolation barriers, which prevent the intermixing of genes from different species. These barriers include hybrid sterility or inviability, mating behavior differences, and temporal isolation, such as plants producing pollen and eggs at different times.

Darwin's "the Origin of Species" Did Not Solve Speciation Due to Limited Knowledge of Mechanisms Leading To Discrete Species

Darwin's book, which could have alternatively been entitled "The Origin of Adaptations" or "Natural Selection," does not elucidate how continuous evolution produces the discrete entities we recognize as species. Coyne took up this challenge because understanding why a continuous process results in discrete species remains an unanswered question in evolutionary biology.

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Counterarguments

  • The assertion that modern evolution textbooks often skip evidence for evolution might be overstated; many textbooks do cover evidence for evolution but may present it in a way that assumes a foundational understanding of the concept.
  • While genetic differences within human populations can be a result of speciation mechanisms, it is important to note that the concept of race in humans is socially constructed and does not align neatly with genetic differences.
  • The use of molecular clocks is subject to certain assumptions about mutation rates and population histories, which can lead to inaccuracies if those assumptions do not hold true.
  • The idea that species are kept separate solely by reproductive isolation barriers is an oversimplification; gene flow can occur between species, and other factors such as ecological differentiation can also play a role in maintaining species boundaries.
  • Darwin's "The Origin of Species" did address the issue of speciation to some extent, although not with the modern understanding of genetics and reproductive isolation.
  • The continuous process of evolution resulting in discrete species is not entirely unanswered; there are several hypotheses and models that attempt to explain this phenomenon, though it remains a complex area of study.
  • Coyne's research on Drosophila may not be entirely generalizable to other species, as fruit flies have certain characteristics ...

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  • Explore your family tree to understand genetic diversity and speciation in your own lineage by using online genealogy platforms to trace your ancestry back as far as possible. This can give you a personal sense of how migrations and population isolations may have contributed to your genetic makeup, mirroring the broader processes of speciation discussed in the research.
  • Create a wildlife garden to observe speciation concepts firsthand by planting native species and creating habitats that attract local wildlife. Over time, you might notice patterns of which species thrive and how they interact, providing a living example of ecological niches and reproductive isolation in your backyard.
  • Participate in citizen science project ...

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Biological Sex Differences and Evolutionary Psychology

Jerry Coyne elaborates on the biological differences between sexes, arguing that these have an evolutionary basis and are not solely due to social constructs.

Coyne Argues Biological Sex Differences Have an Evolutionary Basis

Coyne states that differences between men and women are not just a result of socialization but also a product of evolutionary processes. He points out that men tend to be more risk-taking, less choosy regarding mates, and show more sexual jealousy, which aligns with predictions from evolutionary theory. Coyne further mentions that our closest relatives, the great apes, exhibit similar behaviors and physical differences, reinforcing these ideas.

He touches upon evolutionary traits, such as pigmentation and body morphology, and how these traits, including cognitive and behavioral differences between genders, are seen across species. Coyne believes that evolutionary psychology is maturing, offering testable predictions on human behavior rooted in evolutionary theory.

For instance, Chris Williamson and Jerry Coyne discuss MRI scans capable of detecting sex differences in the brains of developing babies in utero after three months. They point out that an fMRI can identify the sex of a brain with 90% accuracy in children as young as age 10.

Evolutionary Traits: Pigmentation, Body Morphology, Cognitive/Behavioral Differences Between Genders Across Species

Coyne also introduces skin pigmentation as an adaptive evolutionary trait, which helps protect against melanoma in sunnier areas and aids vitamin D absorption in less sunny places. He remarks on other variations like hair shape and eye color but signals uncertainty about their evolutionary reasons.

By explaining sexual selection, Coyne posits that differences between males and females, such as competition for mates, stem from deep evolutionary roots. He references Darwin's theories from the 1870s, which tackled the evolutionary strategies of both sexes in terms of mating and survival.

Coyne Criticizes the View That Gender and Sex Are Social Constructs, Denying Biological Realities Supported by Science

Universal Presence of two Sexes: A Fundamental Fact in Nature

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  • The interpretation of risk-taking, mate choice, and sexual jealousy as inherently male traits can be overly simplistic and may not account for cultural and individual variability.
  • While great apes do exhibit behaviors and physical differences that are similar to humans, the extent to which these can be directly compared to human behavior is debated, as humans have unique social and cultural contexts.
  • The assertion that MRI scans can detect sex differences in the brains of developing babies might be challenged by research suggesting that while there are average differences, there is considerable overlap between the sexes.
  • The role of pigmentation as an adaptive evolutionary trait is well-supported, but the evolutionary significance of other traits like hair shape and eye color may be more complex and multifaceted than currently understood.
  • Sexual selection theory does explain some differences between males and females, but alternative theories, such as social role theory, suggest that many gender differences arise from the division of labor and social hierarchy.
  • The biological foundation of sex and gender differences is widely accepted, but the interpretation and significance of these differences can be subject to cultural bias and may not be as fixed or universal as sometimes presented.
  • The concept of there being only two sexes in nature is challenged by the existence of intersex individuals, who may have chromosomal, gonadal, or anatomical characteristics that do not fit typical definitions of male or female.
  • The idea that non-binary gender identities do not change biological realities may ...

Actionables

  • You can observe and journal about gendered behaviors in public spaces to better understand evolutionary psychology in action. Take a notebook to a park or social gathering and discreetly note behaviors that align with evolutionary theories, such as risk-taking activities or courtship patterns. This exercise can help you see the practical applications of the theories discussed, like how often men initiate contact or the types of activities that seem to attract attention from potential mates.
  • Enhance your understanding of sexual selection by volunteering at an animal shelter or wildlife reserve. By observing animals in these settings, you can witness firsthand the differences in behavior and physical traits between males and females of a species. Pay attention to how males and females interact differently with potential mates or rivals, which can provide a real-world context to the sexual selection concepts.
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Ideological and Political Debates Around Evolutionary Science

Jerry Coyne highlights the tensions between ideology and science, particularly how leftist ideology can distort science, leading to the suppression of scientific understandings on topics like race and sex.

Leftist Ideology Distorts Science on Race, Sex, and Behavior

Coyne touches on the political aspects of accepting evolution and finds the general level of acceptance in America depressing. He discusses how leftist ideology has influenced evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology, leading to misinformation spread by scientists and misrepresentation in the media. Ideology has eroded certain areas of science by limiting the understanding of the malleability of human and animal behavior, which Coyne identifies as anti-Marxist and anti-leftist. Additionally, he criticizes "wokeness" for undermining scientific understandings of sex differences, which he believes negatively impacts the Democratic Party.

Ideology Undermining Science: Race, Sex Differences, and Gendered Language

Coyne criticizes the leftist ideology for distorting scientific understanding, including the denial of biological sexes and the idea that race has no scientific basis. Kevin Williamson suggests that discussions around evolution, behavioral genetics, psychology, and sex differences can become politically charged, with concerns about questions of sex and gender being used to push broader social beliefs regarding marriage and reproduction.

Coyne Calls This a "Reverse Naturalistic Fallacy," Where People Expect Nature to Fit Their Views Instead Of Accepting Objective Scientific Evidence

Coyne expresses the notion that the left has overcompensated for past injustices and suggests that the recognition of genetic diversity between different human groups is often, mistakenly, seen as racism instead of scientific observation. He also shares his experience with having an article removed due to it being considered offensive, illustrating the trend toward preferring comfort over truth. Coyne explains the "reverse naturalistic fallacy" as expecting nature to align with personal ideologies instead of accepting scientific evidence.

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  • Scientific interpretations can be influenced by a range of biases, not exclusively leftist ideology.
  • The complexity of human behavior may require interdisciplinary approaches, including both biological and social sciences.
  • The concept of "wokeness" is often misunderstood and misrepresented, and can include a legitimate call for inclusivity and recognition of diversity.
  • Political charges in scientific discussions can arise from all sides of the political spectrum, not just leftist ideologies.
  • The recognition of genetic diversity does not inherently lead to racism, but care must be taken in how such information is communicated and applied.
  • The pursuit of truth can sometimes be uncomfortable, but science has a history of self-correction and peer review to mitigate personal biases.
  • Postmodernism, while critiqued for its views on relative truths, also offers valuable critiques of the potential for science to be influenced by power struc ...

Actionables

  • You can challenge your own comfort zone by engaging in a "viewpoint diversity book club" with friends, where each month, you read and discuss books that present different perspectives on controversial topics like genetics, psychology, and human behavior. This encourages open dialogue and critical thinking, helping you to confront discomfort with facts and diverse viewpoints.
  • Start a personal "truth journal" where you document instances when you find yourself favoring comfort over truth in daily life, especially regarding scientific topics. Reflect on these instances weekly to identify patterns and develop strategies to prioritize evidence-based thinking in your decision-making process.
  • Create a "bias bingo" game for yourself, where ...

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