In this episode of Making Sense with Sam Harris, Harris examines the use and misuse of the term "genocide" in the context of the Israel-Gaza conflict, arguing that applying this label to Israel's military actions dilutes its historical and legal meaning. He discusses how this linguistic shift has influenced public opinion, particularly within the Democratic Party, and explores how antisemitism and anti-Israel sentiment appear in progressive politics and media through figures like Hasan Piker.
Harris also reflects on his recent interviews with political figures including Ben Shapiro, discussing their differing perspectives on Trump and other political priorities. The episode addresses concerns about the Democratic Party's direction on Israel-Palestine issues and concludes with an announcement about a new community platform designed as an alternative to traditional social media, emphasizing civility and meaningful conversation over divisive content.

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Sam Harris stresses the importance of preserving the historical and legal definition of genocide as an effort to eradicate a people because of their group identity, citing the Holocaust and Rwandan genocide as examples. He warns that redefining genocide to mean any war with high civilian casualties dilutes its significance. Harris points to the U.S. atomic bombings of Japan, which killed 200,000 people but weren't genocide because the intent was victory, not eradication—evidenced by America subsequently rebuilding Japanese society.
Harris argues that Israel's conduct in Gaza contradicts any claim of genocidal intent. He emphasizes that no country seeking genocide would send millions of warnings via text, calls, and leaflets to evacuate civilians before bombings, maintain humanitarian corridors, or risk soldiers' lives clearing booby-trapped buildings rather than simply bombing from the air. For Harris, the casualty count alone doesn't constitute genocide without proven intent to destroy a group.
Harris contends that applying "genocide" to Israel's actions amounts to deliberate blood libel or engineered confusion. He highlights that 77% of Democrats now view Israel's actions as genocide—a figure he attributes to linguistic manipulation by opinion leaders who misrepresent the term. Harris warns this false narrative undermines Israel's right to self-defense, revives antisemitic tropes, and risks making anti-Israel sentiment mainstream Democratic Party doctrine.
Jaron Lowenstein and Sam Harris explore how antisemitism and anti-Israel sentiment manifest within progressive politics and media through coded language and influential outlets. They cite Ben Shapiro's observation of a "sleight of hand" where "all the Jews and anti-Semites know exactly what's going on, but everyone else isn't seeing."
They highlight how the New York Times has promoted Hassan Peyker through favorable profiles and podcasts, despite his support for Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, and his claims that "America deserves 9-11" and Israel is committing genocide. Harris critiques Ezra Klein's op-ed "Hassan Peyker is not the enemy" as emblematic of progressive media reframing figures with antisemitic ideas as reasonable voices. Harris connects Peyker's positions with the 77% of Democrats believing Israel committed genocide, noting that Hamas "is a genocidal organization... that aspires to genocide directly in its charter."
Harris contends that progressive institutions like the NYT fail to distinguish antisemitism from legitimate discourse, inflicting "immense brand damage" and signaling confusion about antisemitism's nature. For Harris, the central conflict involves Islamism's collision with open society values, but progressive outlets obscure these distinctions, enabling prejudice to operate under the same banner as genuine critique.
Sam Harris reflects on his interview with Ben Shapiro, noting that Shapiro prioritizes Israel and opposing wokeness above all other political considerations. When Harris challenged Shapiro on Trump's corruption and character, Shapiro acknowledged these as awful but maintained they weren't as detrimental as potential Democratic policies on his core issues. Rabbi David Wolpe criticized Harris for not pressing Shapiro harder on Trump's damage to America's international standing, and Harris admits he allowed Shapiro to use a facile analogy comparing the president to a plumber—an analogy that fails because the president's character affects national culture and international relationships.
Lowenstein discusses Rahm Emanuel's potential presidential run as a platform to influence Democratic strategy rather than a realistic path to victory. Harris expresses that Emanuel's presence could provide a needed "Sister Souljah moment" addressing wokeness issues. The discussion also highlights Lloyd Blankfein's emergence as a thoughtful political voice with notable communication skills.
Harris articulates deep concern about the Democratic Party's trajectory on Israel/Palestine, stating "Democrats are lost here" and warning the party risks disaster by platforming figures like Hassan Peyker, whom he calls "basically our Nick Fuentes" and "totally irredeemable." Harris asserts that "all of this is gonna come back to make whoever we put forward under these forces in 2028 unelectable" if they must pay lip service to the view that Israel is a genocidal apartheid state.
Harris criticizes the New York Times for signal-boosting Peyker, calling the direction "suicide in 2028" and warning, "if you want President J.D. Vance or Tucker Carlson... then by all means, you know, signal boost Hassan Peyker for the next two years. But it's a disaster." He points to the need for a "Sister Souljah moment" to help the party shed its most alienating elements, warning that the 77% of Democrats believing Israel committed genocide indicates "serious moral and political confusion" with a limited window to correct course before anti-Israel sentiment becomes mainstream party doctrine.
Sam Harris and Jaron Lowenstein outline plans for a new online community platform designed as an alternative to traditional social media, prioritizing meaningful conversation and civility. Harris states the intention to create "less noise and more signal and more civility," deliberately avoiding mechanics that reward divisive content.
A central feature is the platform's real-name policy, which Lowenstein highlights will create accountability and discourage negative behaviors fostered by anonymity. The goal is to replicate the comfortable, substantive communication found in private messaging apps while enlarging users' circles.
The platform will launch first with a web version, with an app in development. Those subscribing before June 1st will receive free access, while after that date, community access and content subscriptions will separate with month-to-month pricing for community participation. Harris acknowledges the experiment's precariousness—if the environment devolves, the community will be discontinued—but remains optimistic that a high-quality, civil online community is possible.
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Sam Harris stresses the importance of preserving the historical and legal definition of genocide. He argues that genocide is the effort to eradicate a people in whole or in part because of their group identity, exemplified by the Nazis' extermination of Jews and the Hutus’ attempt to annihilate the Tutsis in Rwanda. Harris underlines that these are true genocides and cautions against redefining the term.
He warns that redefining genocide to mean simply any war with high civilian casualties, rather than an explicit eradication campaign, dilutes its significance. Harris provides the example of the U.S. dropping atomic bombs on Japan during World War II, which caused roughly 200,000 deaths. He acknowledges the devastation but asserts it was not genocide, as the intent was victory, not the eradication of the Japanese people. After Japan’s surrender, the U.S. rebuilt Japanese society and turned a former enemy into an ally, demonstrating a lack of eradication intent. Harris says that if the term genocide is broadened to include such cases, new language would be needed to describe actual campaigns of eradication.
According to Harris, Israel’s conduct in Gaza fundamentally contradicts any claim of genocidal intent. He emphasizes that no country seeking genocide would send millions of text messages, make cell phone calls, and drop leaflets warning civilians to evacuate prior to bombings. Israel routinely maintains humanitarian corridors during military operations to minimize civilian casualties—another measure inconsistent with a campaign of eradication.
Harris further notes that Israel risks its soldiers’ lives by sending them to clear booby-trapped buildings rather than simply bombing such sites from the air and avoiding danger, behavior that is inconsistent with the goal of eliminating a population. For Harris, the sheer number of casualties, tragic as it may be, does not constitute genocide in the absence of proven intent to destroy a group; if Israel wished to commit genocide, he states, it could have already done so.
Harris argues that applying the term genocide to Israel’s actions in Gaza amo ...
Israel-Gaza Conflict and Misuse of "Genocide"
The discussion by Jaron Lowenstein and Sam Harris explores how antisemitism and anti-Israel sentiment manifest within progressive politics and media, often using coded language and amplified by influential outlets.
Jaron Lowenstein cites Ben Shapiro, noting a "sleight of hand" occurring around antisemitism: "all the Jews and anti-Semites know exactly what's going on, but everyone else isn't seeing." Sam Harris agrees, seeing this as a good description of the current environment where antisemitism hides within complex or indirect criticism, escaping the notice of broader audiences.
They highlight how major institutions, notably the New York Times (NYT), promote figures like Hassan Peyker, whose rhetoric and alliances align with antisemitic groups. The NYT has given Peyker a favorable style section profile, a personal op-ed, and featured him on at least two podcasts, including one where Peyker celebrated "micro looting" against wealthy corporations. Harris further critiques Ezra Klein’s op-ed, titled "Hassan Peyker is not the enemy," as emblematic of progressive media’s tendency to reframe figures harboring antisemitic ideas as reasonable participants in political discourse.
Harris points to Hassan Peyker’s record: Peyker has stated that "America deserves 9-11," supports groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, and claims Israel is an apartheid state committing genocide in Gaza. Harris connects Peyker’s positions with the sentiment of "77% of Democrats who believe Israel committed genocide in Gaza." He stresses that Hamas "is a genocidal organization… that aspires to genocide directly in its charter," and that Peyker, by supporting such groups, knowingly aligns himself with their aims.
The conversation also critiques mainstream progressive venues like Pod Save America for broadcasting voices like Peyker’s without substantive pushback, allowing advocates of anti-Israel—and by extension, sometimes antisemitic—positions to spread their messaging unchallenged. Harris emphasizes that such platforms further blur the distinction between valid criticism of Israel and outright ...
Antisemitism & Anti-Israel Sentiment in Progressive Politics & Media
Sam Harris reflects on his interview with Ben Shapiro, noting that Shapiro approaches political choices as a two-issue voter, strongly prioritizing Israel, Jewish interests, and opposing wokeness over all other political considerations. Harris describes how, for Shapiro, opposition to wokeness is significant because of its perceived impact on Jewish and Israeli interests. In the context of a hypothetical forced choice between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, Harris observes that, for Shapiro, no negative action by Trump would outweigh the anticipated harm from Kamala Harris on these core issues—unless Trump did something unimaginably worse than his worst fears about Kamala Harris.
When Harris challenged Shapiro on Trump’s personal character and systemic corruption—such as Trump grifting billions for his family and friends—Shapiro acknowledged these failings as awful, corrupt, and embarrassing, but maintained that they were not as detrimental as potential policies or effects on his core issues from a Democratic administration. Harris notes the difficulty in debating with someone whose threshold for regret or reconsideration hinges entirely on hypothetical scenarios that cannot be definitively adjudicated.
Rabbi David Wolpe criticized the interview, specifically Harris’s failure to push Shapiro on the concrete damage Trump has done to America’s international standing and alliances. Harris admits that he allowed Shapiro to use a facile analogy—comparing the president to a plumber, with no expectations beyond unblocking the toilet. Harris reflects that this analogy fails, because the president’s character affects far more, including national culture, politics, and America’s relationships with allies and adversaries.
Jaron Lowenstein discusses Rahm Emanuel’s potential presidential run, suggesting that Emanuel sees the campaign less as a realistic path to victory and more as a platform to influence public de ...
Reflections on Recent Interviews With Political Figures
Sam Harris articulates deep concern about the Democratic Party's current trajectory regarding the Israel/Palestine issue and the potential electoral consequences of their messaging and alliances.
Harris observes that "it's very hard for me to know what's going on in the Democratic Party, really," stressing that “Democrats are lost here.” He warns that the party risks disaster if it continues to give a platform to figures like Hassan Peyker, who he describes as "basically our Nick Fuentes" and “totally irredeemable.” Harris indicates that the Democratic Party’s struggle to distance itself from figures sympathetic to Hamas or displaying anti-Israel views signals either a leadership loss of control or misaligned values within the party. He asserts, "all of this is gonna come back to make whoever we put forward under these forces in 2028 unelectable if he or she has to pay lip service to this shibboleth that Israel is now a genocidal apartheid state." In his view, platforming personalities like Peyker renders Democrats unelectable if adhering to the emerging party consensus on Israel/Palestine.
Harris further criticizes prominent media institutions, remarking, "the fact that the people of the New York Times think that Hassan Peyker is worth signal boosting, tells me something that tells me that I'm out of, either they're out of touch or I'm out of touch with the culture left of center." He characterizes the direction as “not anything like sanity for the Democrats” and labels it “suicide in 2028.” Harris also says, "if you want President J.D. Vance or Tucker Carlson, or I guess in the best case, Marco Rubio, well then by all means, you know, signal boost Hassan Peyker for the next two years. But it's a disaster."
Harris points to the need for a "Sister Souljah moment" — a public reckoning within the party, referencing Rahm Emanuel as someone who could force this confrontation with anti-Israel rhetoric and antisemitism and help the party sh ...
Concerns About Democrats' Direction and Messaging On Israel/Palestine
A new online community platform is launching as an alternative to traditional social media, with key organizers Sam Harris and Jaron Lowenstein outlining its priorities and plans.
The platform is designed to prioritize meaningful conversation and civility, in contrast to existing social media environments that often amplify noise, division, and polarization. Sam Harris states the intention to create "less noise and more signal and more civility." Unlike platforms that use algorithms fostering engagement through controversy or outrage, this new community aims to provide a space where users genuinely want to converse with one another.
The platform deliberately avoids the mechanics that reward divisive or sensational content. Harris emphasizes the effort "to not select for any of the usual variables of engagement and weirdness and division," focusing instead on high-quality and substantive interaction.
A central feature of the platform is its real-name policy. Jaron Lowenstein highlights that everyone will use their real names, making the space more accountable and potentially discouraging some of the negative behaviors fostered by anonymity or pseudonyms. Harris comments that this innovation may be significant in changing the tone and substance of online conversations.
Lowenstein shares the goal that engagement on the platform should feel as natural and substantive as what occurs in private group chats or collaborative tools like WhatsApp and Slack. The intent is to enlarge users' circles while preserving the comfort and authenticity found in smaller, trust-based communication spaces.
Sam Harris explains the rollout strategy. The platform will launch first with a web version, with an app in active development for later release.
Those who are already subscribed or subscribe before June 1st will receive free access to the new communit ...
New Community Platform Launches as Social Media Alternative
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