In this episode of the Jocko Podcast, William "Spanky" Gibson recounts his experiences as a forward observer in Ramadi in 2006, including combat operations, a friendly fire incident, and the day he was shot by a sniper—an injury that led to an above-knee amputation. Gibson discusses his approach to recovery, his determination to redeploy as the first above-knee amputee since Vietnam to serve in a combat theater, and his role in establishing policies that opened doors for other wounded warriors.
The conversation also covers Gibson's transition from military service to various post-military roles, including work on veteran benefits legislation and advising on wounded warrior programs. Gibson reflects on his personal transformation through faith, dietary changes that reversed his Type 2 diabetes, and his current focus on family. Throughout, he shares his philosophy on leadership, mentorship, and dealing with adversity without regret or victimhood.

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William Gibson arrives in Ramadi in early 2006 as a forward observer and team leader, attaching with the First Iraqi Army Brigade to provide fire support. His team participates in clearing operations throughout March and April, coordinating fire missions between Iraqi and U.S. forces while mentoring Marines like J.P. Slade and Bravo Stevens. Gibson builds strong operational relationships with Navy SEALs, particularly Delta platoon led by Seth Stone, with cooperation becoming critical after a friendly fire incident.
On April 13, during a joint clearing operation, a SEAL mistakes an Iraqi soldier for an insurgent and opens fire, triggering a blue-on-blue engagement. Gibson works with Jocko Willink to identify the friendly fire situation and stop the escalating firefight. The incident prompts immediate investigation, uniform changes, and improved Standard Operating Procedures focusing on fire control and unit cooperation.
On May 16, Gibson is struck in the left knee by a sniper's bullet during patrol. His Marines and Navy SEAL medic Wes Baldwin work quickly to stop the arterial bleeding with two tourniquets. After evacuation through heavy fire, Gibson undergoes a rapid above-the-knee amputation at the field hospital. Throughout his deployment, Gibson leads from the front, always taking point ahead of younger Marines and prioritizing mission accomplishment over personal safety.
After his injury, Gibson undergoes ten surgeries in two weeks at Bethesda Naval Hospital, remembering almost nothing from this period due to medication. He transitions to Walter Reed, where he grows frustrated with the "cookie-cutter" rehabilitation approach designed for blast injuries rather than gunshot wounds. Gibson never struggles emotionally with his amputation, viewing his only fear as potential medical discharge rather than the loss of his leg itself.
In September 2006, Gibson transfers to Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio to control his own rehabilitation. Within eleven months, he returns to limited duty, completing the medical board process in under six months. He participates in athletic events including his first 5k in November 2006 and the 2007 Alcatraz Challenge to raise money for the Semper Fi Fund.
In 2008, Gibson seeks to become the first above-knee amputee since Vietnam to deploy to a combat theater. After his deployment request is initially blocked by a sergeant major citing safety concerns, Gibson escalates the issue through Major Carlton Kent, securing rapid approval. He serves eight months in Iraq as the Brigade Force Fires Chief, working in operations. Gibson recognizes that his deployment symbolizes new Marine Corps policy for wounded warriors, paving the way for future amputees to continue serving and expanding opportunities for their reintegration.
Gibson plays a critical role in founding Fifth Anglico in 2004-2005, partnering with Major Krebs to assemble the unit from scratch. Despite coming from a patrolling and communications background rather than artillery, Gibson is recognized as the only person on Okinawa with substantial Anglico experience. He and Major Krebs travel regularly to Quantico to structure the unit using lessons learned from prior Anglico missions.
In Ramadi, Gibson's mentorship emphasizes hands-on training in fire support coordination and tactical decision-making under stress. He fosters relationships with Navy SEALs, particularly after the April 13 blue-on-blue incident. After his 2006 injury, Gibson incorporates detailed debriefs of the friendly fire event into all subsequent SEAL platoon training cycles. Working with trainers like Jocko Willink, he focuses on generating realistic, chaotic scenarios that force trainees to make critical decisions under pressure, using real-world case studies to ensure lessons learned are deeply integrated into new operators' mindsets.
After his 2008 Iraq deployment, Gibson takes a position at Fort Sill but quickly dislikes classroom teaching. He applies for a Congressional Fellowship program newly opened to enlisted Marines, securing a House placement. Gibson works on the House Armed Services Committee's Air and Land subcommittees, focusing on veteran benefits legislation and contributing amendments to the Affordable Care Act that prioritized VA care for veterans.
Following another surgery in 2009, Gibson becomes Special Assistant to the Navy Manpower Secretary, advising on Navy Safe Harbor wounded warrior issues and serving as proof source for redeployment recommendations. He later consults on accessibility and compliance for VA medical construction projects, though he struggles to adjust to civilian business culture after a lifetime of military structure.
As his personal life shifts—his father's health declines, he faces a second divorce, and he prepares for custody of his sons—Gibson confronts the toll his work-life balance has taken. In 2010, he declines advancement to Master Gunnery Sergeant, recognizing he had achieved all professional goals and that retirement was the right step to prioritize family. Gibson now dedicates himself to his grandchildren, home renovation projects, and active participation in his faith community.
Gibson describes struggling with Type 2 diabetes despite following conventional VA dietary advice focused on high carbohydrates and lean proteins. Two and a half years before the podcast, he adopts a strict carnivore diet of ribeye steak, bacon, eggs, and cheese, eating one meal daily. He stops all diabetes and blood pressure medications without consulting doctors. Within six to seven months, Gibson loses over forty pounds and reduces his A1c from 8.1 to 5.0, reporting energy levels reminiscent of his thirties.
Five years before the podcast, Gibson's wife Nadine's devotion to Bible reading draws him toward Christianity, transforming his perspective on life and purpose. His new faith foundation softens his demeanor, particularly with his grandchildren, as friends and family recognize visible character changes including less anger and more compassion.
Gibson's life philosophy centers on family first, devoting retirement to supporting his grandchildren's activities and making up for years consumed by military career. Marriage to Nadine provides stability to abandon old habits like anger and drinking. He shares life lessons through social media and YouTube, citing a calling related to the 20-year anniversary of his injury.
Gibson discusses his amputation with acceptance rather than grief, admitting his only regret is philosophical—wondering why he survived rather than succumbing to mortality. His method for dealing with adversity is straightforward: take things day by day, find a new normal, and focus on the mission without indulging in regret or victimhood.
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William Gibson arrives in Ramadi in early 2006, stationed in a compound with his team and soon attaches with the First Iraqi Army (IA) Brigade. Gibson’s assignment is a classic ANGLICO mission—providing fire support with a small team and robust equipment, including decked-out HMMWVs and new Spot 3 radios, though often functioning with one Hummer per team.
His team supports Iraqi and U.S. units in clearing operations, frequently operating on foot to conserve firepower except when necessary. Gibson adapts the ANGLICO mission profile, sometimes operating without standard task organization to meet operational demands. Through March and April, his team participates in patrols and direct combat, providing frontline coordination for fire and maneuver between IA and U.S. forces.
As the campaign’s tempo increases, Gibson’s team leads by example, coordinating fire missions, adjusting rules of engagement, and frequently being first in the breach. Gibson mentors his Marines—like J.P. Slade and Bravo Stevens—imparting professionalism, accountability, and combat skills that help their survival and effectiveness.
Gibson builds strong operational relationships with Navy SEALs, especially Delta platoon led by Seth Stone, with SEALs and ANGLICO often sharing the battlespace and exchanging lessons learned. This camaraderie deepens after the April 13 friendly fire incident, making deconfliction and cooperation critical.
During a joint clearing operation, an Iraqi Army squad unexpectedly moves forward in the pre-dawn. Gibson shadows the Iraqis, holding back his Marines while the Iraqi soldiers head for a building. Inside, Navy SEALs with their own Iraqi detachment are already in position, unaware of the new team's presence.
A SEAL observes someone sneaking across a zip-tied courtyard with an AK-47, mistakes him for an insurgent, and opens fire—wounding or killing the Iraqi soldier. The incident quickly escalates: Gibson, trying to establish control, requests air support but is denied by battalion command. In the confusion, both sides—unaware of each other's identities—exchange fire. Quick Reaction Force (QRF) Humvees begin firing into the building, not knowing SEALs are inside. The encounter is only resolved after Gibson and Jocko Willink identify the blue-on-blue, and tanks and QRFs are stopped.
After the firefight, the incident triggers an immediate investigation and stand-down. Uniforms are changed, and armbands are distributed among Iraqi soldiers to aid in identification. The leadership debriefs and improves Standard Operating Procedure (SOP), focusing on fire control, PID measures, and ensuring better cooperation between units. Gibson notes that the event, though tragic, is seen as an acknowledged risk in intense urban warfare, with a recognition that friendly fire can and does happen despite best efforts.
On May 16, 2006, during a third patrol of the day, Gibson leads his team and IA troops in response to enemy sniper fire. As Gibson advances to contain the threat, he is suddenly struck in the left knee by a sniper’s bullet. Initially, he feels no pain—just numbness and confusion, losing sensation in his leg as gunfire echoes around him. The wound is severe: a small entrance but a massive exit with extensive vascular damage.
His Marines, J.P. and Huerta, immediately drag him to cover even as Gibson, in a state of shock, struggles for situational awareness and to regain his weapon. Navy SEAL medic Wes Baldwin and fellow Marine Bravo Stevens work quickly, with Stevens applying heavy pressure to slow arterial bleeding and Baldwin applying two tourniquets—struggling through blood-slick gloves— ...
Combat Operations in Ramadi 2006
After his injury, Gibson was transported through Germany to Bethesda Naval Hospital, where he underwent ten surgeries in two weeks to manage his amputation site and prevent infection. Due to the intensity of medication and the frequency of surgeries, Gibson remembers very little from those first two weeks, including emotional events such as receiving his Purple Heart. He describes only having glimpses of memories from that period, noting that he appeared lucid in pictures and videos but recalls almost none of it.
Gibson’s next phase was at Walter Reed, where he spent several weeks. He was mostly on medications and recovering from surgeries, leaving him with minimal memory of his time there. Despite this, Gibson did not struggle emotionally with his amputation, never questioning “why” or feeling despair about his loss. He was focused on recovery and determined to return to work, prioritizing tasks and milestones that would get him out of patient status and back on active duty. His only fear was the possibility of medical discharge; the loss of his leg itself did not trouble him—he viewed life as far more important.
The practicalities of rehabilitation at Walter Reed frustrated him. He proved quickly that he could go up and down stairs on crutches—a requirement to avoid being placed in the Malone House, which he wanted to stay away from due to its impersonal and sometimes chaotic environment. Instead, he moved to the more family-oriented Fisher House. Despite his efforts, he grew dissatisfied with the “cookie-cutter” rehabilitation approach at Walter Reed, which he felt was designed for blast injuries and didn’t fit his profile as a gunshot wound patient. Determined to progress on his own terms, he left Walter Reed in September 2006 and transferred to Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, taking initiative to control his rehabilitation.
While rehabbing, Gibson aggressively pursued physical therapy and milestones. Within about eleven months of his injury, he returned to limited duty, avoiding the medical discharge process almost entirely—the medical board process lasted under six months. His focus was always on returning to duty and proving his capability, especially with two years left before reaching twenty-year retirement eligibility.
Gibson motivated himself to prove he was still capable, not out of personal ambition but to show others that an amputee could still serve effectively. He participated in athletic events to meet his own physical milestones and benefit others. In November 2006, he ran his first 5k. He went on to compete in triathlons and swam in the 2007 Alcatraz Challenge in San Francisco as part of Team Semper Fi, raising money for the Semper Fi Fund and supporting other wounded veterans.
In 2008, Gibson sought to deploy to Iraq, aiming to become the first above-knee amputee since Vietnam to deploy to a combat theater. Colonel Clark Lethein, familiar from Team Semper Fi and as General Mattis’s aide, supported Gibson and recommended submitting an augmentation request through Marine Corps channels. Gibson’s request, however, was held up by a sergeant major in manpower who objected to the precedent of sending an above-knee amputee back to combat, citing safety and ...
Recovery, Rehabilitation and Redeployment
Gunnery Sergeant William Gibson played a critical role in reactivating Fifth Anglico, partnering with Major Krebs during the initial buildup to assemble the unit from scratch. Both leveraged their operational experience and drew personnel like Theo and Chris, expert communicators, early into the formation process. Gibson, despite coming from a strong patrolling and communications background rather than artillery or advanced computerized systems, was recognized as the only person on Okinawa with substantial Anglico experience. This unique qualification led to him being tasked to help build and shape the new unit.
He and Major Krebs regularly traveled from Okinawa to Quantico, lobbying for the skilled Marines and pilots needed for the new company. They defined the Table of Organization and Equipment (T.O.N.E.s) and structured the unit using lessons learned from prior Anglico missions. Gibson quickly transitioned from his own field expertise to overseeing operational planning and training, eventually serving as Operations Chief, running training for Joint Terminal Attack Controllers (JTACs) and managing unit doctrine.
Despite not even existing for a full year and a half, Fifth Anglico merged with Second Anglico for a deployment to Iraq in 2005. This rapid deployment forced the new unit to adapt quickly to integrating new members and responding to the changing operational environment. With Colonel Campbell deviating from traditional Anglico doctrine, Gibson’s team operated as four-person JTAC teams scattered across the operational area, emphasizing the need for flexibility and rapid skills infusion as new Marines rotated in.
In Ramadi, Gibson’s mentorship style involved hands-on training in fire support coordination, tactical decision-making under stress, and imposing discipline amid chaos. He fostered relationships with Navy SEALs, particularly with Seth and other SEAL team members, focusing on seamless operational coordination and mutual understanding of each team's strengths and limitations. This relationship was especially important after a previous blue-on-blue (friendly fire) incident, which Gibson frequently referenced as a cautionary lesson.
Gibson trained his Marines to maintain the highest standards, ensuring they were equipped to make rapid and correct decisions in the fog of war. He never asked his Marines to undertake risks he wasn’t willing to face himself, leading by example and often sharing accommodations and hardships with his junior Marines, despite criticism from some senior administrative staff. His philosophy emphasized shared mission ownership and direct responsibility for team welfare and operational readiness.
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Military Leadership and Mentorship
After a long career of deployments and front-line leadership, William Gibson transitioned to a new post at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, in 2007. Despite extensive experience and meeting the requirements for the role, he quickly realized he disliked teaching in the classroom environment. He taught only one class, moved into curriculum development, and sought a new path, finding the instructor position unsuitable for his interests and temperament.
Amid closing down Fallujah and during operations with the G-3 command, Gibson leveraged his connections with Colonel Lethein and Star Major Kent and applied for a Congressional Fellowship program that, for the first time, accepted enlisted Marines; up until then, only officers participated. Out of 90-92 annual fellows, only two enlisted Marines were selected that year: one for the House, one for the Senate. Gibson secured the House placement, attending the Georgetown Government Affairs Institute and subsequently working on the House Armed Services Committee’s Air and Land subcommittees. His work focused on veteran benefits legislation, contributing amendments to the Affordable Care Act that prioritized Department of Veterans Affairs care for veterans, exposing him to the complexities and pitfalls of quickly passed legislation. This opportunity significantly broadened his experience in government policy, benefits, and legislative process.
Soon after his fellowship, Gibson faced another medical challenge, requiring further surgery on his femur in 2009 at Walter Reed Hospital. After his recovery, he was appointed Special Assistant to the Navy Manpower Secretary—a unique position in which he, as a Marine Master Sergeant, participated in high-level discussions among Navy and Marine brass and advised on Navy Safe Harbor wounded warrior issues. Gibson served as proof source for redeployment recommendations and advocated for injured Marines and sailors.
Leveraging his knowledge of federal regulations, Gibson consulted on accessibility and compliance for new VA medical construction projects, advising on flooring and rollability standards for hospital facilities including builds at West Point. Though outside his typical expertise, he found the work manageable and lucrative. However, as his consulting commitments grew, he struggled to adjust to civilian business culture, especially after a lifetime of military structure—transitioning from giving orders in uniform to single parenthood at home proved personally challenging.
As his personal life shifted—his father’s health ...
Post-Military Career Transitions
William Gibson describes a dramatic shift in his health after years of struggling with diabetes and following conventional dietary advice from the VA and his triathlon coaching, which focused on high carbohydrates and lean proteins. Despite eating fruits, vegetables, turkey bacon, and lean meats while maintaining an active lifestyle, his A1c remained high at 8.1 and he weighed 232 pounds, relying on multiple medications including [restricted term], [restricted term], Jardience, Centiparil, and HCTZ.
Two and a half years before his podcast interview, Gibson adopted a strict carnivore diet consisting solely of ribeye steak, bacon, eggs, cheese, hamburger, and water, occasionally allowing himself coffee and eating one meal a day. He decided to stop all his diabetes and blood pressure medications without consulting his doctors, feeling conventional treatments were not working for him. Within six to seven months, he lost over forty pounds, dropping from 232 to 185 pounds, and achieved a significant reduction in his A1c from 8.1 to 5.0. He reports experiencing energy levels reminiscent of his thirties and says he has felt energized and healthy since going animal-based. Despite continued medical skepticism, his results are undeniable: improved lab work, weight loss, and restored vitality.
Five years before the podcast, Gibson describes himself as a "heathen center," living without religion until his wife Nadine’s devotion to Bible reading drew him toward Christianity. Watching Nadine read the Bible nightly in bed gradually inspired him to embrace faith, pulling him into a different mindset. He shares that his conversion reframed his understanding of military experiences, recalling his earlier casual attitude about death ("if God wants me, He'll take me") and recognizing now the deeper spiritual context behind such moments.
His new faith foundation notably softened his demeanor, especially in his relationships with family. Gibson acknowledges he now interacts differently with his grandchildren compared to his own children, citing visible character changes—less anger, less discipline, and more compassion—as signs of his spiritual and personal transformation. Friends and family recognize him as a changed man.
Gibson's life philosophy centers on placing family above all else. In retirement, he devotes himself to supporting his grandchildren's activities, maintaining the home, and making up for the years consumed by a busy military career. He no longer views retirement as idleness but as an opportunity to "pay back" his family for the time he was away in the Marine Corps, relishing moments spent at softball and T-ball games, and home projects with his seven grandchildren.
Marriage to Nadine provided him the stability to abandon old habits like anger and drinking, crediting her influence and their shared faith as the roots of his better decisions and fulfillment. Instead of forma ...
Personal Transformation and Life Philosophy
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