Jocko Underground: Addressing Evil In The World with Kids.
In this episode of Jocko Podcast, Willink and Echo Charles explore how parents can help their children understand difficult realities of the world. They discuss approaches to managing profanity around children and share insights on using both real-world experiences and fictional media as teaching tools to introduce children to challenging topics.
The conversation covers specific parenting strategies, including what Willink calls a "slow exposure to reality" method that helps children develop a practical understanding of the world's dangers. Willink and Charles examine the balance between protecting children and preparing them for reality, addressing topics such as age-appropriate movie choices and the importance of open discussions about difficult subjects.
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Swearing and Language Use Around Children
Jocko Willink shares his approach to managing swearing around children, noting that he intentionally limited his use of profanity when his kids were young but swears more freely now that they're adults. When confronted with his children's swearing, Willink took a measured approach, choosing to redirect their attention rather than harshly reprimanding them.
Exposing Children To Realities of the World
Willink advocates for what he calls a "slow exposure to reality" when introducing children to the world's dangers. He describes a progressive approach that begins with discussing minor crimes like theft before moving on to more serious topics like physical violence and abuse. To facilitate this learning, Willink uses both real-world experiences and fictional media as teaching tools.
When it comes to movies, Willink allowed his children to watch certain R-rated films, noting that comedic violence in movies like "Deadpool" was acceptable, while horror-themed violence might be too disturbing. Echo Charles joins the discussion, helping distinguish between films that merely contain violence versus those that exploit specific fears.
Parenting Strategies and Approaches
Willink and Charles emphasize the importance of intentional parenting, particularly when it comes to exposing children to real-world situations. They suggest that while parents should strive to set good examples, especially regarding language use, excessive sheltering can prevent children from developing a realistic understanding of the world. Instead, they advocate for carefully planned, age-appropriate introductions to difficult topics through a combination of real-life experiences, fiction, and open discussions.
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- While Willink's approach to swearing may work for some, others might argue that consistent rules about language use are important for children to understand social norms and that changing these rules as children age could be confusing.
- Some may believe that any exposure to swearing, regardless of the parent's response, can normalize profanity for children, potentially leading to its use in inappropriate contexts.
- The "slow exposure to reality" method might be criticized for potentially underestimating children's capacity to handle complex issues, or for not preparing them quickly enough for the realities they may face in their environment.
- Critics might argue that discussing crimes like theft without a broader context of social issues may lead to a simplistic understanding of crime and its causes.
- Using fictional media to teach about reality could be seen as problematic, as it may blur the lines between fiction and reality for children, leading to misconceptions.
- The decision to allow children to watch R-rated movies, even those with comedic violence, could be criticized for exposing children to adult themes and desensitizing them to violence.
- Some might argue that even comedic violence in films can have a negative impact on children's development and their understanding of the consequences of violence.
- The idea of intentional parenting and gradual exposure to difficult topics might be challenged by those who advocate for more direct and comprehensive education about the world's realities at an earlier age.
- Critics may argue that even carefully planned and age-appropriate discussions can't fully prepare children for the unpredictability and complexity of real-world situations.
- There could be a counterargument that open discussions about difficult topics might inadvertently lead to fear or anxiety in children if not handled with sensitivity and an understanding of the child's emotional readiness.
Actionables
- Create a "reality roadmap" for your children, outlining age-appropriate milestones for discussing various life topics, ensuring a gradual introduction to complex issues. For example, at age 8, you might discuss the concept of honesty and its opposite, theft, using stories or news items that are easy to understand. As they grow older, introduce more nuanced discussions, like the consequences of dishonesty in different scenarios.
- Develop a family media guide that categorizes movies and shows based on content and the lessons they can impart, rather than just age restrictions. This guide would include notes on why a particular film is suitable, such as the type of violence it portrays and what discussions it might prompt. For instance, a movie like "Deadpool" could be tagged not just as R-rated but also as an opportunity to discuss the difference between fantasy violence and real-world consequences.
- Start a monthly "real talk" dinner where the family can discuss one real-world issue in a safe and open environment. This could range from current events to personal experiences, with the aim of fostering a culture of open communication and gradual exposure to life's complexities. For example, one month you might discuss the impact of bullying, sharing personal stories and discussing strategies for dealing with bullies or supporting friends.
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Swearing and Language Use Around Children
Jocko Willink reflects on his experience with language use around his children, discussing how his swearing habits changed and how he addressed swearing when his children were younger.
Jocko Swore Less Around His Young Children, More now They're Adults
Jocko Willink shares that he kept his swearing to a minimum in front of his family when his kids were young. He intentionally limited swearing in front of his kids and his wife but admits that he swears more now that his kids are adults. He also notes that while occasional swearing is okay, overuse can lead to it becoming a habit.
Jocko Corrected His Children's Swearing Calmly
Jocko remembers not overreacting when his son swore. Instead of getting upset, he used these moments as an opportunity to calmly instruct his children on what they should do, like putting on their wetsuits. He recounts a specific instance when he was campi ...
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Counterarguments
- While Jocko Willink's approach to swearing around children and his method of correction is one perspective, some may argue that any amount of swearing around children is inappropriate and that parents should strive to completely avoid it.
- There is a viewpoint that children learn by example, so even if swearing increases as they become adults, it might still set a less than ideal example for respectful and professional communication.
- Some may believe that calmly correcting children without direct reprimands might not always be effective, as it could lead to a lack of understanding about the seriousness of using inappropriate language.
- Others might argue that redirecting attention away from the act of swearing doesn't address the root cause or provide a clear ...
Actionables
- You can create a "swear jar" with a twist, where instead of contributing money for swearing, you write down a positive action to perform. This turns a moment of swearing into a commitment to do something constructive, like complimenting someone or helping with a chore. It's a tangible way to practice self-improvement and redirect the energy typically associated with swearing into positive behaviors.
- Develop a family code word that signals when the conversation is veering into inappropriate language territory. This non-confrontational signal can be a fun or silly word that everyone agrees on, and when it's said, everyone makes an effort to change the subject or tone of the conversation. It's a light-hearted way to remind each other about language use without direct reprimands.
- Start a family discuss ...
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Exposing Children To Realities of the World
Jocko Willink shares insights on how to gradually and age-appropriately introduce children to the evils and dangers of the real world, using everything from personal experiences to fictional media.
Jocko Suggests a Gradual, Age-appropriate Introduction of Children to Evil and Danger
Jocko advocates for what he calls a "slow exposure to reality." He describes starting with teaching children about lesser evils and then escalating to more severe topics.
Jocko Exposed His Children To Theft and Fights Before Escalating To Abuse and Murder
He explains a step-by-step method that begins with discussing smaller crimes like theft and progresses to discussing physical altercations. The conversation then escalates to more serious issues like various forms of abuse and finally to murder. This approach includes explaining crimes of passion and even serial killings.
Jocko Used Examples Like Witnessing a Drug Arrest to Demonstrate Real-World Realities
Jocko shares an instance when his young son, at the age of seven or eight, witnessed the arrest of a tweaker. He believes such real-life scenarios leave a memorable impression on children and serve as practical examples of the consequences of drug abuse.
Jocko: Fictional Media Introduces Children to Tough Topics Safely
Jocko discusses the use of movies as a medium for safely introducing children to tough subjects. He believes that fictional movies can be beneficial in exposing children to difficult subjects in a controlled environment.
Jocko Let His Children Watch R-Rated Movies to Understand the World Safely
Jocko mentions that he allowed his children to watch R-rated movies at a young age depending on the content. He believes in using movies as a way to gradually expose children to real-world issues through the lens of fiction.
Jocko Warns Certain Movies Can Disturb Children, Advising Milder, Fi ...
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Counterarguments
- Exposing children to real-world evils and dangers, even gradually, might not account for individual differences in emotional maturity and resilience.
- Discussing severe topics like abuse and murder with children could potentially lead to fear or anxiety rather than preparedness.
- Witnessing a drug arrest or similar real-life scenarios could be traumatic for some children, regardless of the educational intent.
- Using R-rated movies to introduce children to tough subjects might desensitize them to violence or expose them to inappropriate content beyond violence, such as sexual content or strong language.
- There is a risk that children might not fully understand the fictional nature of movies and could confuse on-screen violence with acceptable real-world behavior.
- The assumption that comedic or action violence is more appropriate for children than horror-themed violence does not consider that some children might be more affected by the former ...
Actionables
- You can create a "real-world awareness" book club for parents and children where each month's book selection is based on increasing complexity of real-world issues. Start with books that tackle simple moral dilemmas and gradually move to more complex themes, using group discussions to explore the consequences and moral lessons within the stories.
- Develop a family movie night tradition with a curated list of films that align with age-appropriate exposure to real-world issues, ensuring that each film is followed by a discussion to debrief and talk about the real-life implications of the scenarios presented.
- Organi ...
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Parenting Strategies and Approaches
Jocko Willink and Echo Charles address the importance of intentional parenting, focusing on exposing children to the realities of the world in a controlled and mindful manner.
Jocko and Echo Charles Stress Intentional Exposure of Children To World Realities
Jocko Willink and Echo Charles suggest that sheltering children excessively can prevent them from developing a realistic understanding of the world. Instead, they advocate for a more intentional exposure to real-life events and situations.
Recognizing Swearing: Striving to Set Better Examples For Children
Willink and Charles discuss the inevitable exposure children have to swearing and stress the importance of parents setting better examples. By recognizing the use of swear words themselves, parents can strive to model more appropriate language, thus naturally teaching their children the correct way to express themselves.
Age-appropriate Introduction to Difficult Topics Through Real-Life, Fiction, and Discussion
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- While intentional exposure to world realities is important, there is a risk of exposing children to situations they are not emotionally ready to handle, which could lead to unnecessary stress or trauma.
- Some psychologists argue that excessive exposure to negative aspects of reality at a young age can lead to anxiety and a pessimistic worldview, rather than resilience.
- The idea of setting a better example by not swearing may not account for the complex ways in which children learn language and behavior, including from peers and media, which parents cannot fully control.
- The effectiveness of using fiction to introduce difficult topics might vary greatly among children, as some may not be able to distinguish between fiction and reality effectively.
- The assumption that a strategic approach to difficult topics will prepare children for adulthood may not account for individual differences in children's coping mechanisms and learning styles.
- The concept of age-appropriate discussions is subjective and can vary widely across cultures, families, and individual children, suggesting that a one-size-fi ...
Actionables
- Create a "Real World Challenge" jar where you write down various age-appropriate real-life scenarios on slips of paper, and each week, your child draws one to discuss and navigate together. This could range from figuring out how to handle a disagreement with a friend to understanding the impact of a current event. It's a hands-on way to gradually introduce them to complexities in a safe and supportive environment.
- Develop a family "language evolution chart" where you track the introduction and understanding of new words and phrases, including those that are considered inappropriate. This visual tool can help you and your child be more aware of language use and its evolution over time, encouraging thoughtful expression and self-awareness in communication.
- Organize monthly "Fiction Reflec ...
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