In this episode of I Will Teach You To Be Rich, a couple earning high incomes struggles with significant financial challenges. Despite their combined earnings, they maintain $244,774 in debt, have depleted a $171,000 inheritance, and save almost nothing. Their story reveals how childhood experiences shape their current money behaviors: one partner obsessively monitors accounts while the other completely avoids financial responsibility.
The episode examines how the couple's spending habits conflict with their long-term goals of financial security and retirement in Costa Rica. It explores their approach to charitable giving, their difficulty following a spending plan, and their tendency to overspend on non-essential items. The discussion shows how their fixed costs consume most of their monthly income, leaving them vulnerable to income fluctuations.

Sign up for Shortform to access the whole episode summary along with additional materials like counterarguments and context.
Mike and Noelle exhibit contrasting but equally problematic approaches to money management. Mike obsessively checks his bank accounts up to 20 times daily, seeking comfort and control, while micromanaging Noelle's spending. Meanwhile, Noelle completely avoids financial responsibility, having never paid a bill herself and relying entirely on Mike to manage their finances.
Despite being high earners, the couple carries $244,774 in debt, including $200,000 in student loans and various other debts. Their fixed costs consume 87% of their monthly income, leaving little room for savings. When they received a $171,000 inheritance, they spent it on luxuries rather than investments. Currently, they have zero savings and only $28,202 in investments, leaving them vulnerable to disruptions in Mike's variable commission-based income.
Their current financial behaviors are deeply rooted in their childhoods. Noelle, who grew up in poverty, overcompensates by splurging on expensive clothing and avoiding financial responsibility due to her mother's financial stress. Mike's middle-class, indulgent childhood contributed to his impulsive spending habits and inability to delay gratification.
While Mike and Noelle dream of financial security and retiring in Costa Rica, their spending habits don't align with these goals. They acknowledge spending almost double their Conscious Spending Plan, with Noelle refusing to check grocery prices and Mike compulsively buying Pokemon cards.
Despite their substantial debt, Noelle maintains $6,000 annual charitable giving as part of her faith and addiction recovery. Ramit suggests gradually reducing tithing to become debt-free, starting with modest amounts that can increase as their financial situation improves.
1-Page Summary
Mike and Noelle's marital dynamics reveal a complex and troubled relationship with money that impacts both their individual well-being and the health of their marriage. Their behaviors reflect deeply ingrained financial anxieties and avoidance strategies.
Mike’s financial behavior showcases a deep-rooted insecurity that affects his daily life.
Mike confesses to obsessively checking his bank, bank card account, and 401k up to 20 times a day, despite the accounts not being high, in a search for comfort and control. He likens this compulsive behavior to an addiction, similar to how a baby finds relief with a bottle. This habit indicates a struggle for a sense of security and an attempt to alleviate his constant financial anxiety.
Noelle bears the weight of Mike's financial stresses and the repercussions of his anxieties. In the past, she felt the need to ask for permission for every financial action, which made her feel inferior and micromanaged. Mike’s unilateral spending on items like a $200 Pokemon card, while not consulting Noelle because of an unspoken understanding that he is the primary earner, exacerbates these tensions in their marriage. When Noelle feels blamed for the couple's financial worries, Mike can become reflective, recognizing that it's a shared issue, not just hers. Despite this, the ongoing pattern of blame and oversight continues to strain their relationship.
Noelle’s handling, or rather lack of handling, her financial responsibilities further complicates the couple's relationship with money.
Noelle acknowledges her aversion to managing finances, admit ...
Mike and Noelle's Dysfunctional Relationship With Money
Mike and Noelle are a high-income couple grappling with a substantial debt burden with little to no savings or investments to their name.
The couple is facing a mammoth debt of $244,774 that includes around $200,000 in student loans, $23,000 in credit card debt, and a personal loan of $19,000 from Mike's mother. Ramit Sethi zeroes in on their current debt situation, highlighting the sheer amount they owe.
Mike and Noelle's fixed costs, such as car payments, debt payments, and other living expenses, account for 87% of their monthly income. This extremely high rate leaves them stressed and with hardly any room for savings or investment. Sethi notes that Mike's income, entirely commission-based, leads to fluctuations ranging from $4,500 to $27,000 monthly, creating an unstable financial foundation.
Upon receiving a $171,000 inheritance, Noelle and Mike made choices they now regret, spending the windfall on extravagant items and luxuries such as home furnishings, clothes, a Mexico trip, a hair transplant, and nostalgic Pokemon cards. The inheritance was intended to serve as a financial cushion, but the couple admits that more than half of it should have gone towards investments rather than being rapidly depleted.
The couple faces a precarious financial situation, wit ...
Their Significant Debt and Lack of Savings/Investments
The financial behaviors of individuals are often deeply influenced by their upbringing. Two cases, Noelle and Mike, highlight the different ways that one's early life can mold financial habits and perceptions in adulthood.
Ramit connects Noelle's upbringing in poverty to her current buying behavior, highlighting that people from poorer backgrounds might overcompensate later in life by purchasing things they couldn't previously afford. Noelle finds comfort in affording brand names she couldn't as a child, such as Abercrombie, which reaffirms her sense of having 'made it.'
Noelle grew up surrounded by her mother's financial stress, which has influenced how she views and handles money as an adult. She perceives money as frightening and avoids taking financial responsibility, instead letting others manage her finances.
Mike's middle-class, indulgent childhood, filled with gifts and expensive activities, has affected his adult financial behavior. He expresses that ...
Impact of Upbringing on Financial Behaviors
Mike and Noelle share a vision of financial security, good parenting, and a peaceful retirement in Costa Rica. However, their daily spending habits reveal a significant misalignment with these goals, complicating their journey toward their "rich life."
The couple wishes to create a stable financial environment, provide their children with educational opportunities, and retire to a house they own in Costa Rica they can also rent out. Mike and Noelle both aspire to give their children the best and to enjoy retirement in a setting that they cherish, yet they face challenges when it comes to prioritizing these long-term objectives over immediate gratification.
Noelle confesses to guilt over spending $60,000 on a wedding, which they both agree does not reflect their true selves. She articulates her hope of being more thoughtful with future expenditures while still enjoying nice things by making conscientious choices rather than impulsive purchases. Ramit Sethi, the finance expert, calls attention to their outlays on furniture, cosmetic surgery, clothes, and collectibles like Pokemon cards as activities that do not coalesce with their envisioned future in Costa Rica.
Noelle, despite recognizing that she could alter her shopping behaviors, struggles to reduce her grocery bills and her somewhat fervent spending on Glade plugins. She even admits to never looking at prices during grocery shopping, instead prioritizing her desire to get exactly what she wants ea ...
Struggle to Align Spending With Desired "Rich Life"
Noelle and her husband face the challenge of balancing significant charitable giving with a large amount of debt. Tithing is a central component of Noelle's financial life and presents a spiritual quandary when she considers adjusting her contributions in the face of financial adversity.
For Noelle, tithing is deeply interwoven with her faith, recovery from addiction, and her overall approach to finances.
Noelle explains that tithing represents an act of trust in God, which has been integral to her sobriety and addiction recovery process. She uses tithing as a way to relinquish control, since her past struggles with addiction have led to a distrust of her own financial management. This sentiment is echoed by Mike, who admits he also doesn't trust her with money. Their complex history with finances and addiction sets the backdrop for the difficulty of adjusting tithing habits.
Caller #1, Noelle, indicates that even the thought of reducing her tithing by 5% is profoundly difficult. She implies that reducing her contributions could show greed or a lack of faith, which underscores the tension between her financial predicament and her spiritual commitments. Despite the $244,000 debt that she and Mike are in, Noelle currently donates $6,000 a year to charity, illustrating her dedication to maintaining her tithing commitments.
Adjusting to a new financial strategy that encompasses both getting out of de ...
The Role of Charity/Tithing in Their Financial Decisions
Download the Shortform Chrome extension for your browser
