In this episode of the Huberman Lab podcast, neurosurgeon Dr. Casey Halpern discusses neurosurgical approaches to treating psychiatric and movement disorders. He explains how deep brain stimulation works by delivering electrical impulses to targeted brain regions, offering relief for conditions ranging from Parkinson's disease to OCD and depression. Halpern also covers non-invasive technologies like MRI-guided focused ultrasound and transcranial magnetic stimulation that show promise for treating these disorders without surgery.
The conversation explores the neural mechanisms underlying compulsive behaviors, particularly the role of the nucleus accumbens in reward-seeking and the dysfunction present in conditions like OCD, addiction, and eating disorders. Halpern addresses the challenge of scale in treating mental health conditions, noting that while invasive procedures help identify therapeutic targets, the future requires validated non-invasive solutions to reach the millions affected by these disorders.

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Neurosurgical interventions are transforming treatment for movement and psychiatric disorders through deep brain stimulation, non-invasive technologies, and investigative electrode mapping.
Deep brain stimulation (DBS) works by implanting thin electrodes into specific brain regions to deliver electrical stimulation rather than medication. This precision approach primarily treats movement disorders like Parkinson's disease, targeting areas such as the subthalamic nucleus. Surgeons locate the correct area by listening to brain cell signals converted to audible sounds, matching them to symptoms like tremor. The results are often immediate and profound—patients with decades-long tremors experience instant relief upon stimulation.
Beyond movement disorders, DBS shows promise for psychiatric conditions including depression and OCD. Targeting brain regions sometimes shared between motor and emotional circuits can relieve both types of symptoms simultaneously. DBS can also cause temporary, reversible side effects like sudden laughter or panic if stimulation reaches nearby areas, though these effects occasionally reveal new therapeutic targets.
MRI-guided focused ultrasound represents a major advance—an FDA-approved, non-invasive method that uses tightly focused ultrasound beams to safely destroy small brain regions linked to abnormal movement. This technique offers tremor relief similar to DBS but without surgery or implanted devices, making it an attractive first-line therapy. The technology's precision minimizes collateral damage, and patients typically experience quick recovery with low risk.
Researchers are expanding ultrasound applications beyond tissue ablation. Dr. Halpern and colleagues are investigating how ultrasound might modulate neuronal activity for conditions like depression, and preliminary trials explore using it to open the blood-brain barrier for targeted medication delivery.
Capsulotomy offers another surgical approach, heating and destroying targeted brain tissue rather than modulating it electrically. For OCD, outcomes are often comparable to DBS—about 50% of patients respond—but the permanence of tissue destruction makes patients hesitant despite the procedure's safety. Even when limited to small areas, many patients remain wary due to modest improvement chances and irreversibility.
Stereoencephalography (SEEG) extends high-precision brain mapping to psychiatric research, adapting technology perfected in epilepsy treatment. Ultra-thin electrodes record neural activity and stimulate brain regions, helping identify targets for future therapies. Despite extensive electrode placement, complication rates are low and recovery is rapid. Researchers are seeking FDA approval to study OCD using SEEG, while teams at institutions like Baylor and UCSF are already using this mapping data to find optimal targets for next-generation treatments.
Casey Halpern explains that OCD exists on a spectrum. Some people display obsessive traits beneficial in demanding professions—being meticulous and detail-oriented as a neurosurgeon, for example—but when these traits become uncontrollable and intrusive, they evolve into pathological OCD. The disorder involves unwanted obsessions, such as intense contamination fears, that spark compulsive behaviors like excessive handwashing or repetitive checking, severely disrupting daily functioning.
Standard treatment includes SSRIs and tricyclic antidepressants targeting the serotonin system, though about 30% of patients experience inadequate relief. The most robust behavioral therapy is exposure and response prevention, where patients are gradually exposed to triggers but guided to resist compulsive rituals. For severe, medication-resistant cases, neurosurgical options like DBS or capsulotomy aim to disrupt dysfunctional brain circuits.
OCD involves dysfunction in both cortical and subcortical brain areas. The prefrontal and orbitofrontal cortices display hyperactivity, with connections projecting to subcortical structures including the caudate, putamen, and dorsal striatum, interconnected with the ventral striatum. DBS targets the ventral striatum in this dysfunctional network, with about 50% of patients responding, though most retain residual symptoms.
The nucleus accumbens, part of the ventral striatum, gates reward-seeking behavior and filters urges that might lead to dangerous conduct. When this filtering mechanism fails, individuals cannot suppress harmful behaviors even when recognizing the risks. This dysfunction appears across multiple conditions—OCD, binge eating, addiction, and bulimia—where people pursue rewards despite negative consequences.
Recent research has identified "craving cells" in the nucleus accumbens, revealing the neural basis of uncontrollable urges. Studies with implanted electrodes show that cravings and binge eating persist even in closely monitored patients, providing evidence of deep-seated neural circuitry overriding conscious effort. Repeated exposure to potent rewards can hijack the nucleus accumbens through neuroplastic changes, making the brain learn and reinforce maladaptive patterns.
Transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) is FDA-approved for depression, OCD, and nicotine addiction. Despite demonstrated symptom improvement, TMS has limited spatial precision and unclear mechanisms—an uncertainty shared with more invasive approaches. While effective for certain conditions, TMS remains underexplored for eating disorders like anorexia nervosa and obesity.
Halpern believes neurosurgeons should actively participate in discussions about non-invasive brain stimulation, lending expertise to improve precision and identify optimal neural targets. Ultrasound technology is also emerging as a promising intervention tool, with research investigating its use for neuromodulation and temporary blood-brain barrier opening for drug delivery.
Parallel to these advances, machine learning and AI are being integrated into mental health research. Researchers are developing wearable devices and algorithms that analyze voice, breathing, sleep, and physiological patterns to detect early signs of behavioral crises. Voice analysis algorithms, for example, can forecast suicidal episodes before the person is consciously aware. However, Halpern notes the crucial need for rigorous clinical validation before implementing these technologies to avoid wasting resources on unproven tools.
Halpern highlights that approximately 50 million Americans suffer from obesity, opioid addiction, depression, and suicidality, yet only about 200,000 DBS surgeries have ever been performed. This contrast reveals the impossibility of relying solely on surgical intervention to address these epidemics. As neurosurgeons can treat only the most severe cases, there is urgent need for scalable, rigorously validated, non-invasive solutions.
Current neurosurgical research uses invasive methods to identify specific brain targets and mechanisms, enabling future non-invasive interventions. Halpern stresses that the neurosurgical and scientific communities must rigorously validate therapies before commercialization to avoid wasting patients' time and resources. The future of mental health care will require integrating invasive target research with non-invasive technologies like TMS, ultrasound, and machine learning to deliver evidence-based, accessible treatments that can reach millions in need.
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Neurosurgical interventions are transforming treatment for movement and psychiatric disorders, ranging from highly precise deep brain stimulation to new non-invasive technologies and investigative electrode mapping.
Deep brain stimulation (DBS) relies on implanting a very thin, insulated wire into a specific part of the brain involved in conditions such as Parkinson's disease. This electrode serves as a conduit for electrical stimulation rather than medication. Multiple contacts at the bottom of the wire allow for highly targeted delivery, modulating a small brain region to therapeutically disrupt abnormal neural activity.
DBS is primarily used for movement disorders like Parkinson's disease, often targeting the subthalamic nucleus. Surgeons probe carefully, listening to the electrical signals of brain cells—converted to audible sounds—to match them to symptoms such as tremor. Once the correct area is located and stimulated, the effect is profound and immediate; in patients with decades-long tremor, stimulation provides instant relief. Such striking results inspire many neurosurgeons and drive efforts to refine these interventions for other conditions.
Beyond movement disorders, DBS has shown promise for psychiatric disorders, including depression and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). Targeting adjacent brain regions—sometimes shared between motor and emotional circuits—can relieve both motor and psychiatric symptoms. For example, alleviating tremor sometimes resolves compulsive behaviors or improves mood, reflecting the interconnectedness of brain circuits.
DBS can also elicit temporary side effects, such as sudden laughter or moments of panic, if stimulation reaches nearby non-targeted regions. Fortunately, these effects are typically brief and reversible by adjusting or switching off the relevant electrode. Occasionally, these side effects have therapeutic value, revealing new brain targets for mood or impulse control therapies.
A major advance in movement disorder treatment is MRI-guided focused ultrasound, an FDA-approved, non-invasive ablation technique for tremor. This method uses tightly focused ultrasound beams, guided by real-time MRI, to safely destroy small, predefined brain regions—typically a three to four-millimeter zone linked to abnormal movement—without incisions or implanted devices.
Focused ultrasound offers tremor relief similar to DBS but without the need for surgical electrode placement. Usually, only one side—most often the dominant or most-affected hand—is treated per session. The procedure’s effectiveness, non-invasiveness, and minimal recovery time make it a compelling first-line therapy for appropriate patients.
The technology boasts remarkable precision, minimizing collateral damage as it ablates only tissue within the precisely targeted area. Patients generally experience effective symptom control with low risk and a quick return to normal activities.
Research is underway to expand ultrasound’s use beyond tissue ablation. Scientists, including Dr. Halpern and colleagues, are investigating how ultrasound can modulate—not just destroy—neuronal activity, potentially enabling non-invasive neuromodulation for disorders like depression. Further, preliminary trials explore using ultrasound to open the blood-brain barrier, temporarily allowing medications to reach specific brain regions, such as tumor sites.
Capsulotomy offers another surgical approach, relying on heating and destroying targeted brain tissue rather than modulating its activity with electricity. Especially for OCD, capsulotomy involves ablating a small, specific region that has been targeted in similar procedures for years.
Some clinicians compare the ablated region to the appendix, suggesting it is safe to destroy, while others prefer modulation’s reversibility and adjustability. Outcomes for capsulotomy are often comparable to DBS—about 50% of treated patients respond—but effects are permanent and patient hesitancy remains due to the irreversibility of brain tissue destruction.
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Deep Brain Stimulation and Neurosurgical Approaches
Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) exists on a spectrum. Casey Halpern explains that some people display obsessive traits or compulsions that do not meet criteria for OCD but can be beneficial in certain professions, such as being meticulous and safety-obsessed as a neurosurgeon. Driven and detail-oriented behaviors are often lauded among CEOs, scientists, and surgeons, provided these traits remain under control. When these traits become uncontrollable, intrude on daily living, and cause distress, they become pathological and evolve into OCD, significantly impairing quality of life.
Healthy obsessive or compulsive traits are assets when individuals maintain control; when control is lost, these traits manifest as intrusive thoughts and compulsions that disrupt daily life. Obsessive-compulsive disorder specifically involves intrusive, unwanted obsessions, such as intense fears of contamination or persistent concerns about safety at home. These obsessions spark compulsive behaviors—like excessive handwashing or repetitive checking of locks or appliances—which the person feels compelled to perform even as they recognize their irrationality. The compulsion becomes so strong that it severely disrupts day-to-day functioning, sometimes to the point that individuals are up all night checking their home or spend hours washing their hands after perceiving contamination.
Standard treatment for OCD begins with medication targeting the serotonin system. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are typically the first line, and tricyclic antidepressants can also be effective. Both medication classes affect serotonin but may also interact with noradrenergic and dopaminergic systems, making therapeutic responses unpredictable. Despite available medications, about 30% of patients experience inadequate relief, resulting in moderate to severe, treatment-resistant OCD.
The most robust behavioral therapy is exposure and response prevention, a form of cognitive-behavioral therapy. Patients are gradually exposed to situations that trigger their obsessions but are guided to resist performing their usual compulsive rituals, promoting habituation and improved emotional regulation. Dedicated clinics, like those initiated by Ed Nafoa at Penn, specialize in these interventions to lessen compulsive behaviors and enable less disrupted daily functioning.
For those with the most severe, medication-resistant OCD, neurosurgical options exist. Deep brain stimulation (DBS) is a notable intervention: electrodes are implanted to deliver targeted electrical stimulation to key brain regions. Another approach, capsulotomy, uses heat to ablate problematic brain tissue. Both aim to disrupt dysfunctional brain circuits underlying obsessions and compulsions. Educating patients on risks and benefits remains crucial, as these interventions are not optimal and typically reserved for severe cases.
OCD is a disorder involving dysfunction in both cortical and subcortical brain areas. The prefrontal and orbitofrontal cortices display hyperactivity in OCD, departing from typical functioning found in non-OCD individuals. Therapeutic effor ...
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder
The nucleus accumbens, part of the ventral striatum, is a crucial component of the brain's reward circuit. It gates reward-seeking behavior and is interconnected with many brain regions. Normally, the nucleus accumbens allows individuals to experience reward urges—an ordinary phenomenon that underpins many daily actions. However, its critical role is in managing these urges so that rational decision-making prevails, especially when a potential reward is accompanied by significant risk.
When functioning properly, the nucleus accumbens filters out urges that place one in danger or prompt risky conduct, such as drug use or compulsive checking in obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). In pathologies, this filtering mechanism fails, and individuals are unable to suppress harmful reward-seeking behaviors even when they recognize the risks.
This dysfunction is a common denominator in multiple psychiatric and behavioral conditions. In OCD, individuals obsessively check locks or wash hands, driven by compulsive urges despite knowing these actions are excessive. Similarly, in eating and substance disorders, patients pursue rewards like binge eating or drug use regardless of negative consequences. For example, in binge eating or bulimia, sufferers may overeat or purge despite imminent harm. Drug addiction operates in a similar cycle, where seeking and using substances occurs irrespective of danger.
This pattern is observed across obesity, opioid addiction, depression, and suicidality—a breakdown in the decision-making framework of the nucleus accumbens ties these conditions together, making effective management of impulses and urges more difficult and, at times, lethal.
Recent research has begun to reveal the neural basis of these uncontrollable urges with the identification of "craving cells" in the nucleus accumbens. The term “craving” is intentionally used because it resonates with patients suffering from binge eating disorder or obesity. While "losing control" may not be familiar language for some, most will recognize and affirm experiencing cravings.
In studies, patients with implanted electrodes in the nucleus accumbens undergo operant testing—using validated mood provocations to simulate binge episodes under controlled surveillance. These electrodes, a millimeter in diameter, record neural activity across thousands of cells. The goal is to detect specific electrical signals associated with cravings, which differ from recordings of individual neurons obtained in surgery. These studies show cravings and binge ...
The Nucleus Accumbens and Compulsive/Impulsive Behaviors
Non-invasive brain stimulation technologies are advancing rapidly, offering new therapeutic possibilities and prompting interdisciplinary collaboration and ethical discussion about their use and integration with machine learning and AI-based tools.
Transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) is FDA approved for the treatment of depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), and nicotine addiction. TMS works non-invasively, requiring no drilling or surgery, and is used to define and modulate neural circuits in psychiatry. Despite its approval and demonstrated ability to temporarily improve symptoms in these disorders, TMS is characterized by limited spatial precision and an incomplete understanding of its mechanisms—an uncertainty it shares with more invasive approaches like deep brain stimulation.
TMS defines circuits by targeting brain areas that, when modulated, yield clinical improvements for certain conditions. However, researchers acknowledge challenges with enhancing TMS's precision and understanding precisely how it exerts its effects. The mechanisms behind both TMS and deep brain stimulation remain somewhat elusive, yet ongoing research aims to address these knowledge gaps.
Despite efficacy in depression, OCD, and nicotine addiction, TMS is underexplored for conditions such as eating disorders, particularly anorexia nervosa and obesity. There is significant potential for TMS in these areas, but current research is only scratching the surface. Few studies or clinical trials have been conducted, and much work remains before establishing effective neural targets and protocols for such disorders.
Casey Halpern believes that neurosurgeons should be actively involved in discussions about non-invasive brain stimulation technologies. Although surgeons may not administer non-invasive treatments themselves, their expertise can help improve the precision of these approaches and inform the search for optimal neural targets. Through collaborative efforts, surgical teams can lend their knowledge to the design and interpretation of non-invasive therapies, potentially guiding the translation of these findings into validated invasive studies when warranted.
The ultimate goal is to develop precise, effective, and validated non-invasive targets for complex conditions like anorexia nervosa and obesity. One promising path is to use TMS or focused ultrasound approaches to define and treat neural circuits underlying these disorders, first non-invasively, then transitioning to more invasive treatments if necessary.
Ultrasound technology is emerging as another promising non-invasive approach to brain intervention. Techniques such as magnetic resonance-guided focused ultrasound can deliver ablation to specific brain areas without opening the skull. This FDA-approved method is being repurposed as a neuromodulatory tool, attempting not just to ablate tissue but to stimulate or inhibit neural activity in a controlled way.
Current research also investigates using ultrasound to temporarily open the blood-brain barrier, enabling targeted drug delivery for conditions like brain tumors. While these approaches show promise, significant challenges remain in identifying the best targets for ablation or modulation in psychiatric diseases or eating disorders, and clinical protocols have yet to be established.
Parallel to advances in non-invasive brain stimulation, machine learning (ML) ...
Non-invasive Brain Stimulation and Future Technologies
Casey Halpern highlights the vast scale of psychiatric and neurological disorders in society, identifying obesity, the opioid crisis, depression, and suicidality as some of the largest public health problems in the United States and globally. He notes there are approximately 50 million Americans suffering from these conditions—about a third of the country's population. Despite advances in neurosurgery, including deep brain stimulation (DBS), only about 200,000 DBS surgeries have ever been performed. This stark contrast—200,000 surgeries versus 50 million potential cases—reveals the impossibility of relying solely on surgical intervention to address these epidemics. Halpern emphasizes that as a neurosurgeon, he and his peers can treat only the most severe cases. Therefore, there is an urgent need for research advances to develop scalable, rigorously validated, non-invasive solutions capable of meeting the true magnitude of these public health crises.
Current neurosurgical research employs invasive methods, such as implants and electrode mapping, to identify specific brain targets and mechanisms responsible for psychiatric and neurological diseases. These neural signatures are key to enabling future detection and intervention for symptoms like craving, obsession, impulsivity, or mood dysregulation via non-invasive approaches. Halpern explains that the act of accessing the human brain in a disease-specific way—using electrodes to pinpoint malfunctioning circuits—can lead to innovations in non-invasive treatments. Non-invasive techniques, such as transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) or focused ultrasound (for lesions), may one day address maladaptive brain activity and treat disorders without the risks and limitations of surgery. Halpern stresses that the neurosurgical and scientific communities bear a responsibility to rigorously validate therapies before moving to commercialize wearable or novel technologies that lack sufficient supporting evidence, to avoid wasting patients' time and resources.
Scalability and Clinical Translation
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