In this episode of the Huberman Lab podcast, Andrew Huberman and Dr. Marc Brackett explore emotion regulation, challenging the common misconception that it means eliminating unwanted feelings. Instead, Brackett presents emotion regulation as developing a healthier relationship with emotions—understanding their function, labeling them precisely, and choosing conscious responses rather than reacting automatically. The conversation examines how gender socialization, cultural context, and developmental history shape our emotional lives, with particular focus on how boys and men are taught to suppress vulnerability.
Brackett introduces practical frameworks and strategies for managing emotions effectively, including the "meta moment" technique for pausing between triggers and responses, and the RULER framework for building emotional intelligence. The episode also addresses systemic approaches to teaching emotional skills in schools and organizations, emphasizing that emotional intelligence predicts success more reliably than academic credentials. Throughout, Huberman and Brackett discuss how modern pressures affect emotional well-being and why developing these skills is essential for relationships, leadership, and personal fulfillment.

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Marc Brackett and Andrew Huberman discuss how emotion regulation is widely misunderstood and explore how redefining it can help build healthier relationships with our feelings. They address misconceptions, provide practical strategies, and highlight how mindset, cultural context, and developmental history shape our emotional lives.
Brackett emphasizes that emotion regulation isn't about eliminating emotions, but developing a new relationship with them. He explains that he often greets his anxiety rather than trying to banish it, allowing the emotion to exist without dominating his experience. This approach helps emotions dissipate or remain in the background harmlessly. He warns against obsessively monitoring feelings throughout the day, noting that emotions only require attention when they affect performance or relationships. Regulation becomes essential during significant environmental or relational shifts—such as after difficult work interactions—when deliberate, conscious responses enable individuals to choose their reactions rather than reflexively projecting emotions onto others.
Brackett describes emotion regulation as a goal-driven, individualized process. His formula states that emotion regulation consists of goals and strategies that function based on the type of emotion, characteristics of the person, and the immediate context. He introduces "PRIME" as an acronym summarizing regulatory goals: Preventing, Reducing, Initiating, Maintaining, and Enhancing emotions. Managing anxiety requires different strategies than managing anger or worry, with context hugely affecting which approaches are appropriate.
Brackett emphasizes that every emotion serves a function: anxiety signals that something matters, while anger highlights injustice. He rejects categorizing emotions as "good" or "bad." Huberman recalls his father's lesson from a British academic environment that happiness was foolish, a belief his father later recognized as flawed. Brackett shares his own learned discomfort with happiness due to bullying. Both highlight that these attitudes are learned and can be consciously unlearned. Brackett asserts that our emotional relationships are developmental, informed by early family experiences and cultural modeling. Recognizing whether individuals believe they can change how they relate to emotions—fixed versus growth mindsets—is critical for emotional intelligence and healthier relationships.
Huberman and Brackett explore how socialization shapes boys' and men's emotional expression and discuss ways to foster healthier attitudes toward emotion.
Brackett explains that expressing vulnerability is coded as weak, with emotions like sadness considered "feminine and out of control." He elaborates that sharing emotions is seen not only as weak but also potentially homosexual, which carries strong stigmas. He cites a school leader's fear that teaching emotional regulation would "turn the boys into homosexuals." Brackett emphasizes that the real problem isn't emotion itself, but the message taught to boys: their emotions are unwelcome, dangerous, or weak. Huberman describes how displays of emotion like crying during formative years can have lasting negative impacts due to peer judgment. Brackett notes it's much easier for boys and men to express anger than emotions that make them internally vulnerable.
Brackett describes visiting schools with emotional intelligence training where boys view crying as completely normal. He highlights how authority figures sharing their own emotional experiences allows boys to engage with emotions without fear of ridicule. His program uses role-playing social scenarios to help students confidently express and respond to emotions in real life.
Huberman describes how boys among peers learn early that expressing sadness means standing out, which can be socially perilous. Brackett observes that successful men often disclose emotional struggles only after establishing themselves. Huberman uses David Goggins as an example: after establishing his toughness, Goggins is celebrated for crying publicly because his competence is never questioned. Through these discussions, Huberman and Brackett argue that cultural change—especially in schools and through leadership modeling—can shift boys' and men's views on vulnerability.
Brackett and Huberman emphasize practical, evidence-based methods for handling emotions effectively, enabling people to move away from automatic reactions toward conscious, values-driven responses.
The "meta moment" is a tool Brackett describes for pausing between an emotional trigger and response. The practice begins by noticing emotional activation, then taking a breath to interrupt the reactive pattern and regain access to thoughtful decision-making. After creating this space, Brackett recommends identifying your best self—reflecting on the person you want to be in your role. This values-based mindset pulls you away from triggers and back to your aspirations, producing outcomes much different from those driven by impulse.
Brackett and Huberman stress that knowing specific emotional labels greatly impacts emotional regulation. People often generalize feelings, but such vagueness hinders strategy selection. Differentiating anxiety, fear, stress, and pressure is necessary for choosing effective coping mechanisms. Brackett breaks down core emotional themes: anxiety reflects uncertainty about the future, stress arises when demands exceed resources, pressure comes from high stakes, and fear signals immediate danger. Correctly labeling emotions guides you toward the right solution.
No single tactic fits every context. Brackett discusses physiological strategies like walking or yoga, cognitive strategies like reframing thoughts, behavioral strategies like calling a supportive friend, and biological basics like sleep, nutrition, and exercise. He cautions against gaslighting oneself during cognitive reappraisal, advocating for honest inquiry: "Is this story helping me live the life I want?"
Long-term, effective emotion regulation becomes most sustainable when woven into one's self-concept. Brackett draws a parallel to physical fitness: just as someone identifies as "a person who exercises," people can adopt the identity of "someone who regulates my emotions well." He describes phases in developing such an identity: starting with skill learning, noticing gradual improvements, monitoring progress, and eventually embedding the routines as part of everyday self-perception.
Brackett frames emotional self-awareness and regulation as essential for being an effective student, partner, manager, or leader, emphasizing that success depends less on technical skills and more on managing emotions.
Brackett introduces the RULER framework: Recognizing emotions through expressions, tone, and body language; Understanding the underlying themes or triggers; Labeling emotions with specific vocabulary; Expressing emotions effectively across relationships and contexts; and Regulating emotions to achieve goals.
Research, according to Brackett, shows that emotionally intelligent leaders are more successful in well-being, leadership, decision-making, and mental health. Emotionally supportive leaders reduce burnout and boost job satisfaction. Brackett provides evidence that academic metrics have little predictive validity for long-term success, while emotional intelligence attributes drive success, particularly in relational and leadership contexts.
Brackett discusses how developmental history shapes emotional recognition and emphasizes the courage it takes to prioritize curiosity over judgment. He advocates for leaders to be role models for emotional self-awareness and regulation, creating a ripple effect that strengthens relationships and communities.
Brackett and Huberman explore the importance of systemic implementation of emotional intelligence training, emphasizing that true cultural change depends on consistency and a unified approach.
Brackett explains that having individual teachers train without a broader strategy doesn't create lasting impact. Systemic change requires aligning leaders, teachers, students, and parents under the same framework and terminology. Both stress the need for universal nomenclature, comparing it to scientific language. This consistency allows leaders to reinforce emotional skills from kindergarten to higher grades.
True mastery comes from rigorous, skill-focused training involving structured frameworks for teaching problem-solving processes. Students practice role-playing scenarios and receive feedback, building complex interpersonal skills.
Brackett warns that traditional education neglects essential skills for managing adversity and relationships. Research supports that emotional intelligence predicts success better than academic credentials. The systemic model lays a foundation of widespread emotional literacy and resilience, empowering individuals and communities.
Emotion regulation is essential as society becomes more complex. Brackett and Huberman emphasize that genuine regulation should foster resilience and healthy relationships, not avoidance or suppression.
Brackett challenges claims that processing emotions makes students fragile. Effective regulation requires recognizing whether emotions help or hinder goals. He illustrates this through a school's response to a distressing election, where allowing students to take time off didn't help them develop actionable skills. A key question is whether emotional expression fosters solutions or hinders progress.
Today's adolescents confront unprecedented pressures. Brackett argues that avoidance teaches withdrawal rather than coping. Instead, youth need to build practical emotional management skills and resilience.
Brackett notes that many adolescents use AI chatbots as therapists, substituting for human bonds. While technology promises solutions, it often increases isolation. Human connection is irreplaceable in fostering emotional health.
Huberman and Brackett underscore the necessity of recognizing unconscious biases about emotions. Self-awareness is key: regularly reflecting on personal emotional history helps distinguish between inherited patterns and authentic preferences. Brackett recommends surveys to help individuals identify their mindsets about emotions. Consistent, honest self-reflection enables growth, better relationships, and authentic action.
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Marc Brackett and Andrew Huberman discuss how emotion regulation is misunderstood and how redefining it can help build a healthier relationship with our feelings. They address misconceptions, provide strategies, and highlight the importance of mindset, cultural context, and developmental history in shaping our emotional lives.
Brackett stresses that emotion regulation is not about eliminating or suppressing feelings, but about developing a new relationship with them. Many people wrongly assume that the goal is to rid themselves of emotions like anxiety. Instead, Brackett explains that he often greets his own anxiety, acknowledging it without trying to banish it. This approach can make the emotion dissipate or simply remain in the background without causing harm. He reinforces that it's normal and healthy to coexist with feelings such as anxiety, rather than obsessively monitoring or attempting to suppress them.
Rather than banishing unpleasant emotions, Brackett advocates for acknowledging and greeting them. For example, he often says hello to his anxiety instead of trying to get rid of it, allowing it to exist without letting it dominate his experience.
Brackett warns against obsessively checking in with your feelings throughout the day. Most emotions remain in the background and only require attention when they affect performance or relationships. Constant emotional self-monitoring is unproductive and can become overwhelming.
Emotion regulation becomes essential during significant shifts in our environment or relationships—such as after difficult work interactions or when transitioning between social settings. In these moments, deliberate, conscious responses enable individuals to choose how to react instead of reflexively projecting emotions, like anger, onto others. Brackett illustrates this with the example of choosing not to bring work stress home to family, instead opting for an intentional response.
Brackett describes emotion regulation as a goal-driven, individualized process. He proposes a formula: emotion regulation (ER) is a set of goals (G) and strategies (S), which function based on the type of emotion (E), characteristics of the person (P), and the immediate context (C). This means strategies must be tailored to the specific emotion, the individual's tendencies (such as being introverted or neurotic), and the current situation.
Brackett's formula underscores that managing anxiety requires a different strategy than managing anger or worry. Context hugely affects which strategies are appropriate; coping methods must be feasible and effective in the moment, such as using cognitive or breathing techniques when environmental constraints prevent other types of self-regulation.
Brackett introduces "PRIME" as an acronym summarizing regulatory goals: Preventing unwanted emotions, Reducing intense emotions, Initiating emotions for desired effects (like energizing a classroom), Maintaining positive emotions throughout the day, and Enhancing emotions to boost experiences of joy or satisfaction. Achieving these goals requires varied strategies, depending on the emotional, personal, and contextual factors involved.
Brackett notes that managing anxiety is different from managing other emotions. He selects different strategies based on the particular feeling he is addressing, integrating his own personality traits and situational factors.
A crucial aspect of effective emotion regulation is maintaining a mindset that recognizes the value and purpose of all emotions. Brackett and Huberman highlight how cul ...
Redefining Emotion Regulation: What It Actually Is
Andrew Huberman and Marc Brackett explore how socialization shapes boys’ and men’s emotional expression, the challenges of vulnerability, and ways to foster healthier attitudes toward emotion.
Huberman and Brackett discuss that, historically and presently, women are seen as allowed or even expected to be emotionally expressive, while men are not. Huberman refers to a “1950s model” still present in family life and attitudes, where it is acceptable for women to be expressive, but men must present a tough exterior. Brackett explains that expressing vulnerability is coded as weak, and emotions like sadness or disappointment are considered “feminine and out of control.” This discourages boys from showing or even acknowledging their feelings, as society equates emotionality with femininity and instability.
Brackett elaborates that sharing emotions, especially those tied to vulnerability, is not only “weak” but also seen as potentially homosexual, which carries strong stigmas. He cites his own upbringing in a homophobic environment and recounts a school leader’s fear that teaching emotional regulation would “turn the boys into homosexuals.” The association between emotional expression, homosexuality, and femininity persists in culture and socialization, constraining boys’ and men’s emotional honesty.
Brackett emphasizes that the real problem isn’t emotion itself, but the message taught to boys: their emotions are unwelcome, dangerous, or weak. Socialization practices, including different emotional vocabularies and expectations from fathers toward sons versus daughters, reinforce to boys that they must “toughen up.” Boys subsequently suppress, deny, and ignore their feelings—not because feelings are unnatural for them, but because they learn they are unwelcome.
Huberman describes how displays of emotion like crying in front of peers, especially during formative years such as seventh or eighth grade, can have lasting negative impacts due to peer judgment. In status- and peer-focused settings, vulnerability becomes especially fraught, as it risks ridicule and exclusion.
Brackett also points out it is much easier for boys and men to express anger, which is outward and socially validated, than to express emotions—like sadness or shame—that make them internally vulnerable.
Brackett describes visiting schools where emotional intelligence training is implemented. In these environments, boys report a completely different relationship to emotion and vulnerability. When asking teenage boys about crying, their responses are, “What’s wrong with crying? If you feel like crying, you cry.” The act becomes normalized, and ridicule is absent.
Brackett highlights the value of authority figures sharing their own emotional experiences. He recounts telling students and teachers about feeling discouraged, thus displaying emotional openness in front of boys and staff. As a leader, he shifted his approach to be more authentic about emotions, acknowledging his struggles and explaining how he managed those feelings, thereby modeling healthy emotional processing.
Brackett’s program uses rigorous, structured lessons that include role-playing social scenarios, such as managing exclusion in a school game. Students are tasked with recognizing their feelings and brainstorming solutions, then act out and discuss responses to potential challenges. This repeated practice enables both boys and girls to gain confidence in expressing emotion and seeking resolutions—ev ...
Gender Differences and Socialization in Emotional Expression
Emotion regulation is an essential life skill. Marc Brackett and Andrew Huberman emphasize practical, evidence-based methods for handling emotions effectively, enabling people to move away from automatic, unhelpful reactions toward conscious, values-driven responses.
The “meta moment” is a tool Brackett describes as indispensable for pausing between an emotional trigger and response. The practice begins by noticing emotional activation, such as realization of anger or frustration before entering a new environment. The first step is to recognize this shift and build awareness of the potential for an unhelpful automatic reaction.
Crucially, taking a breath interrupts the reactive pattern and helps regain access to the prefrontal cortex for more thoughtful decision-making. Brackett suggests taking 20–30 seconds to check in, breathe, and ask oneself how to be seen and experienced in the situation. Sometimes, multiple breaths or several loops around the house might be required to achieve calm.
After creating this space, Brackett recommends identifying your best self—reflecting on the person you want to be in your role as a parent, spouse, or professional. This values-based mindset pulls you away from triggers and back to your aspirations. Actions that flow from this self-alignment produce outcomes much different from those driven by raw impulse. Examples include choosing to pause and handle an unpleasant phone call constructively, rather than projecting that emotion onto others—a strategy that children and adults alike can learn and model.
Brackett and Huberman stress that knowing and using specific emotional labels greatly impacts emotional regulation. People often generalize feelings—saying “I’m fine,” “okay,” or “upset”—but such vagueness hinders strategy selection and communication. Differentiating anxiety, fear, stress, and pressure is not hair-splitting; it is necessary for choosing effective coping mechanisms.
Brackett breaks down core emotional themes: anxiety reflects uncertainty about the future, stress arises when demands exceed resources, pressure comes from high stakes, and fear signals immediate danger. Correctly labeling whether you feel angry, disappointed, envious, or jealous guides you toward the right solution. For example, disappointment and anger may require different forms of self-talk or behavioral responses.
Precise language also enables clearer asking for support and communicating needs. Tools like the How We Feel app assist users in developing this vocabulary over time.
No single emotion regulation tactic fits every context; strategies should match needs.
Practical Emotion Regulation Strategies and Tools
Marc Brackett frames emotional self-awareness and regulation as essential for being an effective student, partner, manager, or leader. He emphasizes that success in these roles depends less on technical or academic skills and more on clarity about one's own feelings and the ability to manage them. Andrew Huberman concurs, imagining a cultural evolution where emotional intelligence becomes a key differentiator in personal and professional success.
Brackett introduces the RULER framework, which outlines five domains for building emotional intelligence: Recognizing, Understanding, Labeling, Expressing, and Regulating emotions.
Brackett explains that recognizing emotions involves perceiving feelings through facial expressions, tone, body language, and behavior. While it's challenging to know exactly how someone feels just by observation, one can form a hypothesis and check in with that person to seek clarity, thereby building relationships. He references research by Lisa Feldman Barrett, which underscores the complexity of emotion perception.
Understanding emotions requires discerning the underlying themes or triggers. For example, anger typically relates to perceived injustice, though individuals' relationships to anger differ based on developmental history. Brackett illustrates that his own childhood experience made him fear anger, whereas others may react differently. These differences stem from unique life stories, cultural backgrounds, or identities, such as being LGBTQIA or not. Genuine understanding calls for acknowledging this variability and striving for empathy rooted in curiosity rather than judgment.
Labeling emotions demands a specific and nuanced vocabulary to identify what is truly being experienced. Marc Brackett stresses that having precise language enables better recognition and communication of emotional experiences.
Expressing emotions involves knowing how and when to communicate feelings across different relationships and contexts. It is important to ask whether the way emotions are communicated achieves the intended outcome or risks misunderstanding or driving others away. Brackett advises ongoing self-reflection about how one’s communication of emotion is received.
Regulating emotions is the final domain and focuses on managing feelings to support goals. Brackett states that one must determine if emotions are helping or hindering the achievement of objectives and, if necessary, use strategies to manage them constructively.
Research, according to Brackett, consistently shows that emotionally intelligent leaders and individuals are more successful in life domains that matter—well-being, leadership, decision-making, and mental health.
Brackett highlights research in educational settings where teachers who perceived their leaders as emotionally self-aware and skilled at co-regulation reported 40% less frustration. These emotionally supportive leaders provided crucial stability and support, significantly predicting positive school culture, reduced burnout, and higher job satisfaction.
Good co-regulators, who manage their emotions and help others do the same, are linked to positive outcomes in schools and other organizations. Such leaders serve as role models during crises, like the pandemic, showing teams how to process and regulate emotions for shared well-being and resilience.
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Emotional Intelligence as Core Identity and Success Predictor
Marc Brackett and Andrew Huberman explore the importance of systemic implementation of emotional intelligence (EI) training in schools and organizations, emphasizing that true cultural change depends on consistency, rigor, and a unified approach.
Marc Brackett explains that having individual teachers or classrooms train in emotional intelligence without a broader strategy does not create lasting impact. He learned through experience that systemic change requires more than just isolated workshops; it requires aligning leaders, teachers, students, and parents under the same framework and terminology. Brackett gives the example of his RULER program, implemented across all 21 schools in a Harlem district, involving every leader, teacher, and student to ensure coherent practice and messaging.
Both Brackett and Huberman stress the need for a universal nomenclature for emotional skills. Huberman compares this to scientific language—expressing that just as "mitochondria" means the same thing everywhere, emotional terms and regulations should similarly be standardized. Brackett points out, for example, that the deputy superintendent in Harlem can visit a kindergarten classroom and hold an emotionally intelligent conversation using the same language and techniques as teachers. This ensures students receive consistent strategies and understanding no matter who is teaching them.
This district-wide consistency allows superintendents and leaders to reinforce emotional skills from the youngest classrooms to higher grades, leading to a collective competence across the community.
True mastery of emotional intelligence comes from rigorous, skill-focused training, not brief or superficial interventions. Brackett details how his programs go beyond lectures; they involve structured frameworks for teaching problem-solving processes. For example, students are placed into groups to discuss what feelings arise, which solutions are available, and what to do for themselves and others. They practice role-playing scenarios and receive feedback on their responses. If a situation escalates unexpectedly, students are challenged to problem-solve in real-time, building complex interpersonal skills.
This approach is demanding and repetitive, ensuring that teachers, leaders, and students achieve genuine competence and can handle real-world emotional challenges with confidence and adaptability.
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Systemic Implementation in Schools and Organizations
Emotion regulation is essential as society becomes more complex and stressors multiply. Experts Marc Brackett and Andrew Huberman emphasize that genuine emotion regulation should foster resilience, growth, and healthy relationships, not avoidance or suppression.
Brackett challenges the claim that encouraging students to process emotions in schools makes them fragile. Effective regulation is not about sitting in feelings or suppressing legitimate responses to difficult realities like poverty, racism, war, or inequality. Instead, emotional intelligence requires individuals to recognize whether their emotions help or hinder goal achievement. If emotion and behavior impede progress, individuals need strategies to process feelings and move forward. The focus is not on being stuck, but on finding creative solutions and acting from deeply felt values.
He illustrates this through a school’s response to a distressing election, where allowing students to take a day off did not help them process or move past difficult emotions, but left them without actionable skills. The goal is to help people feel deeply and still be able to respond effectively, communicate productively, and maintain relationships, rather than being paralyzed by emotion or lashing out—neither of which typically produce desired change.
A key question is whether one's emotional expression fosters solutions or hinders progress. Brackett notes that yelling doesn't help; it often shuts others down and prevents productive engagement. Successful regulation means being able to experience a full range of emotions, regulate effectively, and strive toward one’s goals even amid discomfort.
Today’s adolescents confront unprecedented pressures, including climate anxiety, political polarization, warfare, threats to future careers from AI, and the barrage of distressing information available online. Brackett argues that approaches like letting students miss school when overwhelmed may provide temporary relief, but ultimately stunts their emotional resilience and problem-solving abilities. Such avoidance teaches them to withdraw rather than cope.
Instead, youth need to build practical emotional management skills: responsibly facing their duties, learning from discomfort, cultivating relationships, and fostering personal growth. Instilling resilience means helping them navigate feelings constructively, not shielding them from all discomfort or struggle.
As technology advances, many adolescents replace real relationships with digital interactions. Brackett notes that around 20% of adolescents use AI chatbots as therapists or companions, substituting for human bonds. While technology promises novel solutions, it often increases isolation and emotional dysfunction—the same pattern seen with video games, social media, and the broader internet.
In moments of trauma or crisis, the tangible presence, listening, and care provided by real people cannot be replicated by any algorithm. Human connection is irreplaceable, reinforcing the importance of community and presence in fostering emotional health.
Navigating Emotion Regulation In a Complex Modern World
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