In this episode of Hidden Brain, host Shankar Vedantam explores why humans are drawn to dark and violent stories despite valuing kindness and morality. The discussion examines how this attraction stems from evolutionary roots, with researcher Coltan Scrivner explaining how "morbid curiosity" helps humans learn about potential dangers in a safe, controlled environment—similar to how prey animals study predators from a distance.
The episode challenges common misconceptions about people who consume dark media, presenting research that shows horror fans demonstrate normal levels of empathy and often display greater resilience during real-world crises. Through examples like increased viewership of pandemic-related movies during COVID-19, the discussion reveals how engaging with threatening scenarios through media can help people develop coping mechanisms for real-life challenges.

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Humans show a fascinating contradiction: while we value kindness and morality, we're inexplicably drawn to violent and dark stories. Vedantam explores this phenomenon, revealing its deep evolutionary roots.
Scrivner explains that "morbid curiosity" - our interest in potential dangers - mirrors behavior seen in prey animals. Just as gazelles inspect predators to learn about threats, humans use stories and media to understand dangers indirectly. This allows us to experience and process threats in a safe, controlled environment, similar to how Darwin observed monkeys cautiously inspecting dangerous creatures.
Research shows that people often seek out media containing similar threats following traumatic events. Scrivner describes how during the COVID-19 pandemic, the movie "Contagion" saw unprecedented popularity, jumping from an index of 6 in 2019 to 100 by March 2020. Similarly, following campus crimes, studies show that students, especially those living closer to crime scenes, were more likely to choose violent films as entertainment.
Contrary to popular belief, Scrivner's research reveals that horror fans show levels of empathy comparable to non-fans, with paranormal horror enthusiasts displaying particularly high cognitive empathy. Horror media consumers often demonstrate greater resilience during real-world crises, showing reduced anxiety, insomnia, and depression. The engagement with threatening scenarios in fiction appears to help develop coping mechanisms for real-life challenges.
Despite historical criticism from figures like Roger Ebert, who viewed horror fans negatively, research finds no connection between enjoying dark media and lacking empathy. In fact, Scrivner's studies suggest that engaging with scary stories in social contexts can build emotional and cognitive skills. The stigma against horror fans appears to stem from misunderstanding the psychological benefits these media experiences can provide.
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The peculiar human fascination with violent and dark media has deep roots in evolutionary and psychological behaviors well observed in animals and in our own responses to stories and threats.
Vedantam highlights a contradiction that, despite our intentions to lead good and virtuous lives, we are inexplicably drawn to stories replete with violence and immoral acts. This is evident in the popularity of horror movies and dark fiction that are designed to terrify rather than teach.
Scrivner defines "morbid curiosity" as a non-pathological interest in potential dangers. This type of curiosity is reminiscent of "predator inspection" behaviors observed in prey animals. Gazelles and zebras, for example, learn about their predators' habits; this inspection saves energy which is essential for survival.
Charles Darwin noted an intense interest among monkeys in dangerous creatures, such as snakes. When presented with a snake in a bag, they cautiously inspected it, demonstrating a seemingly human-like curiosity. Similarly, humans are riveted by stories of disease, destruction, and deviance, using this mode to understand threats indirectly.
Fictional representations of violence and macabre scenarios enable people to explore these fears in a protected setting. This inspection aligns with the evolutionary logic seen in animals. Through media, humans safely experience and learn about danger without facing actual harm.
Psychological and Evolutionary Basis of Attraction to Dark/Violent Media
In light of traumatic events such as campus crimes or pandemics, Shankar Vedantam and Coltan Scrivner explore people's inclination towards media containing similar threats.
Shankar Vedantam explains that research shows a spike in interest in scary entertainment aftermath of frightening real-life events. In 2020, during the COVID pandemic, for instance, the film "Contagion," which portrays a global pandemic and its social fallout, saw a dramatic surge in interest as people globally were grappling with their own pandemic reality.
Coltan Scrivner notes that during the anxiety and uncertainty of the COVID pandemic, people turned to "Contagion" to learn about pandemics and their societal response, since the movie provided a clear narrative in contrast to the fragmented and developing scientific understanding of the time. He further explains the phenomenon as “morbid curiosity,” aiding in learning and preparation for potential future threats through depictions in fiction.
Scrivner cites a study from the 1970s where following an incident of interpersonal violence on a college campus, students were observed choosing to see a violent movie, suggesting a morbidly curious behavior to educate themselves about such threats. Scrivner also points out that at the University of Wisconsin, after a murder on their campus, students were more inclined to select a scary film as a reward. Specifically, the students who lived closer to the dorm where the crime happened were likelier to watch Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood," highlighting a tendency to seek out violent films in response to proximity to real-life violence.
The continued popularity of genres like horror films, true crime podcasts, and violent video games demo ...
Real-Life Examples: Post-Tragedies and Media
Colton Scrivner, a researcher who authored the book "Morbidly Curious," exposes the often misunderstood world of horror media and its enthusiasts by highlighting the psychological advantages of consuming such content.
Scrivner's research has debunked the myth that fans of horror and dark media are less empathetic or kind than others.
Engaging with a fictional story about someone else's plight requires viewers to imagine themselves in the shoes of the characters, which is a form of cognitive empathy. Scrivner's study on empathy in horror fans found that they possess empathy levels similar to those of non-horror fans. Fans of paranormal horror exhibited particularly high cognitive empathy, indicating adept perspective-taking.
In an interesting twist, horror-themed restaurants often boast a significant selection of vegan or vegetarian options. This trend suggests that horror fans may choose these dietary options out of compassion and ethical considerations, further dispelling the stereotype that they lack empathy.
Engaging with threatening scenarios in a fictional context can condition people to handle real-life crises more optimally.
Scrivner's examination reveals that fans of horror may be better equipped to face real threats. Such individuals often show less distress during unsettling situations like pandemics, with reduced symptoms of anxiety, insomnia, and depression.
Psychological Benefits Of Engaging With Scary/Violent Media
Public fear that individuals who enjoy dark and violent content may harbor unsavory qualities is addressed and dispelled through research and expert opinion.
Despite historical disdain from critics such as Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel toward fans of gory horror films, where they implicated a moral depravity, research currently finds no link between enjoying dark media and a lack of empathy or kindness.
Film critics, including Roger Ebert, have often reflected a common stigma about fans of dark or violent media. Ebert demonstrated significant outrage over the content of super-gory horror movies and appeared to pass negative judgment on those who watch them. This sentiment was mirrored by a critic from the New York Post who went as far as to label fans of the "Saw" movie series as "depraved lunatics" suggesting they should be kept away from animals and other living beings.
Colton Scrivner, introducing the concept of "morbid curiosity," scrutinized these attitudes by conducting a study. He found no empirical evidence to support the notion that horror fans are lower in empathy. His research indicated societal bias against horror fans but did not validate any actual connection between the enjoyment of horror movies and a lack of empathy or kindness. In fact, it was sometimes found that horror fans were the opposite of what critics expected.
The idea that fans of dark media are deprived or deviant lacks understanding of the psychological benefits that can stem from this genre.
Misconceptions and Stigma Around Fans of Dark/Violent Media
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