In this episode of Good Inside with Dr. Becky, Dr. Becky Kennedy and astronaut Kellie Gerardi explore a reframed understanding of confidence—one built on the ability to survive failure rather than the expectation of guaranteed success. They discuss how this mindset shift enables children to pursue their dreams with greater resilience and less fear of setbacks.
The conversation covers practical strategies for parents, including how to honor children's aspirations while exploring the genuine interests beneath them, the importance of modeling vulnerability by learning new skills in front of children, and ways to support passions without controlling them. Gerardi shares personal experiences with childhood shame, secondary infertility, and career obstacles, illustrating how viewing setbacks as data rather than personal failures creates a functional approach to pursuing meaningful goals. The episode emphasizes staying loyal to dreams while remaining flexible about the details of how they unfold.

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Becky Kennedy and Kellie Gerardi explore a new perspective on confidence, suggesting that resilience in the face of failure—not the assurance of success—forms the true foundation for pursuing dreams.
Kennedy questions whether genuine confidence means believing you'll succeed or believing you can survive setbacks. Gerardi responds that the ability to survive struggle unlocked more of her potential than expecting success ever could. Kennedy illustrates how confidence built on guarantees is fragile—if children think preparation ensures success, any stumble can make them crumble. Preparing with a mindset of resilience leads to less fear and greater willingness to try again.
Gerardi details how her parents taught her that dreams are never guaranteed, but persevering makes extraordinary things possible. This belief, built on endurance rather than certainty, allowed her to persevere through obstacles on her nontraditional path to becoming an astronaut. Kennedy emphasizes hoping her own children develop the knowledge that they can overcome obstacles, no matter how hard the journey.
Gerardi embraces publicly sharing her dreams in real time and openly failing at some of them. She believes vocalizing aspirations creates momentum because others provide helpful connections. Living her IVF journey and struggles with secondary infertility publicly, she builds a dual support system: cheerleading when things go well and empathy when they fall short. Through this process, she learns that public failures don't define her negatively but instead provide exposure therapy that lessens the shame of failing in view of others.
Kennedy points out that when dreams are visible, the shame of failure decreases. Secrecy is replaced by communal support, making failure manageable when surrounded by an empathetic community.
Kennedy reflects that the message she needed after failure was not "you'll get them next time," but "nothing about you changed." Gerardi emphasizes the importance of hearing that your worth and abilities are not diminished by failure. This mindset distinguishes actual emotional pain from the mistaken belief that pain means personal deficiency.
Gerardi explains that disappointment and grief cannot be rationalized away, but their narrative can shift. Believing you can survive the result is a more functional form of hope. Kennedy affirms this as the true meaning of confidence: the knowledge "I can survive it. I will be on my feet at some point." This enables realistic hope and continued striving, even when dreams are deferred or lost.
Kennedy and Gerardi share insights on how parents can nurture their children's passions while remaining realistic and supportive, emphasizing the importance of honoring aspirations, fostering curiosity, and balancing boundaries with encouragement.
Kennedy and Gerardi stress the value of exploring what specifically excites children about their stated dreams. Gerardi describes how her daughter's wish to be like Taylor Swift led to deeper questions—does she love singing, performing, writing, or connecting with an audience? Similarly, Gerardi's childhood dream of being an astronaut revealed her true passion was using space as a laboratory to benefit humanity.
Exploring these core interests allows parents and children to identify the real passions beneath apparent career fantasies. Kennedy likens a child's statement like "I want to be Taylor Swift" to opening a door into a room full of unexplored interests. This approach validates their excitement and keeps the conversation flexible about their future.
Both highlight that parental support is most effective when it respects the child's sense of agency. Gerardi credits her parents for meeting her where she was without forcing her passions to take a particular direction. Kennedy reframes "obsessions" with things like squishies or beanie babies not as frivolous, but as circuits for curiosity that may lay groundwork for later passion in fields like science. The positive trait parents should cultivate is a hunger for engaging deeply and taking initiative.
Kennedy and Gerardi discuss balancing boundaries with nourishing a child's interests. Gerardi recalls that her parents validated her interests even when they couldn't fulfill every wish, helping her find creative alternatives like making homemade squishies. Kennedy provides practical language for affirming children's interests even when saying "no": "I love that you love something so much. I think it's so cool that you're the kind of kid who knows what you like and wants to learn more."
Setting limits doesn't mean dismissing a child's passion. Kennedy notes that the magic is in acknowledging the child's wishes and feelings, letting them feel seen and understood even while parents work within their own capacities.
Gerardi recounts how silent shame in childhood led to unhealthy patterns where struggles were mistaken for fundamental incapability. She vividly recalls learning to read analog clocks in kindergarten, staying quiet and letting confusion fester. The longer she waited, the more embarrassing it became to admit she didn't understand. Eventually, a quiz exposed her struggle, and being singled out for extra help made her feel anxious and embarrassed over what seemed minor but grew catastrophic in her mind.
This pattern repeated when learning to read a treble clef in music class. Again, she kept silent until a test forced the issue and she broke down at home. Her mother helped reframe the challenge, and Gerardi realized the task was simply memorizing "F-A-C-E." With parental support and perspective, she began to see that confusion was temporary and surmountable, especially if she could interrupt her instinct to hide her challenges.
As Gerardi grew older, she counteracted her childhood shame by intentionally pursuing activities where she was unskilled and engaging with them publicly. This exposure to low-stakes failure desensitized her to the fear of being seen struggling. Experiences such as pursuing a civilian scientist flight to space and openly sharing her IVF journey showed her that public setbacks are survivable. Through this exposure therapy, she discovered that failing visibly did nothing to diminish her value or ability to forge ahead toward new goals.
Gerardi and Kennedy discuss the importance of parents visibly struggling with new skills in front of their children, emphasizing that modeling vulnerability helps children understand that learning is lifelong and that capability comes from practice, not innate talent.
Gerardi is intentional about letting her daughters witness her trying things she isn't naturally good at. She shares her experience attending weekly improv classes, embracing the vulnerability of not being skilled. Gerardi wants her girls to internalize that being bad at something is often necessary to becoming good at it.
Kennedy reinforces this, observing that what children witness is more powerful than what parents say. She notes that parents' competence in everyday tasks can overwhelm kids, making it seem as if adults are experts in everything. Seeing their parents struggle and improve helps normalize being a beginner and reframes struggle as a natural part of growth.
Both highlight that the value of participating in an activity extends beyond achieving high skill. Kennedy shares that she is the worst in her family at word games but participates for the value of the experience itself. Gerardi underscores that she attends improv classes not with the expectation of assured progress, but because she may enjoy them or improve over time. This approach demonstrates to children that effort and experimentation are worthwhile, and that it's safe to try things even when success is uncertain.
Gerardi discusses her struggle with secondary infertility, emphasizing that even with a resilient mindset, the experience brought "incredibly low lows." She acknowledges that no mindset can entirely eliminate the pain of difficult experiences and that trying to "intellectualize" grief is ineffective.
Kennedy highlights the importance of the story one tells about a challenge, distinguishing between feeling pain and adding a narrative of inadequacy. Kennedy explains that hardship becomes an "abyss" not due to the emotion itself, but because of self-blaming stories. Gerardi exemplifies a functional narrative, interpreting disappointments as data rather than indictments on her character. She maintains self-belief and views setbacks not as evidence of inadequacy but as normal parts of pursuing anything meaningful.
Gerardi credits her background in scientific research for helping her face setbacks more productively. She compares personal crises to research protocols, noting that when an experiment doesn't yield expected outcomes, researchers collect new data, revise methods, and try again. This perspective helped her approach infertility by objectively analyzing what could be changed after each round of treatment.
Although the research mindset doesn't reduce the emotional weight, it provides a constructive framework. Gerardi describes building a partnership with her healthcare providers, bringing ideas into their collaboration. This active role gave her agency amid difficulty and ultimately contributed to the birth of her youngest daughter. The mindset of "control and adjust" allowed hope and intentional progress, even as she navigated loss and uncertainty.
Gerardi redefines perseverance through honest self-examination. She believes quitting can sometimes be the right choice if the pursuit no longer aligns with one's values. Persistence should be reserved for truly meaningful goals rather than driven by pride or fear. She encourages distinguishing between struggling productively toward a valued goal and persisting unproductively out of stubbornness.
Gerardi's approach to publishing her book illustrates the importance of remaining loyal to a dream but flexible on details. After facing multiple rejections, she resolved to self-publish if necessary, believing in the worth of her story regardless of external validation. She stresses the significance of creating opportunities rather than waiting for permission and is prepared to take alternative paths to realize her vision.
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Becky Kennedy and Kellie Gerardi explore a new perspective on confidence, suggesting that resilience in the face of failure—not the assurance of success—forms the true foundation for pursuing and achieving dreams.
Kennedy asks whether the most important skill for success is not guaranteeing our children future victories, but teaching them total comfort with failure. She debates if genuine confidence means believing you'll succeed, or believing you can survive setbacks. Gerardi responds that the ability to survive struggle resonates more deeply with her; it unlocked more of her potential than expecting success ever could.
Kennedy illustrates how confidence built on guarantees is fragile: if children think preparation ensures success, any stumble can make them crumple. Preparing with a mindset of resilience—knowing that even if things go wrong, they'll still be themselves—leads to less fear and greater willingness to try again. This mentality allows someone to return to school after failing a tryout, realizing it's not catastrophic. Gerardi adds that this kind of resilience becomes "part of your muscle," strengthening you for future attempts.
Gerardi details her upbringing: her parents instilled both humility and confidence, teaching her that dreams are never guaranteed, but that persevering makes extraordinary things possible. She internalized the message, "If you work hard enough for long enough, why not you?" This belief, built on endurance rather than certainty, allowed her to persevere through uncertainty and obstacles on her path to becoming an astronaut, especially when her route was nontraditional.
Kennedy emphasizes the profound implications of this kind of confidence, hoping it is what her own children can develop—the knowledge that they can figure out challenges, take the next step, and overcome obstacles, no matter how hard the journey. Resilient confidence, rather than fragile certainty, becomes the sturdy foundation upon which children can build their dreams and face unpredictable goals.
Gerardi embraces living transparently, publicly sharing her dreams in real time and openly failing at some of them. She believes that vocalizing aspirations creates momentum and serendipity, because others remember and provide helpful connections or information that might move her closer to her goals.
Living her IVF journey and struggles with secondary infertility publicly, Gerardi continues to express her dreams to the world, even when outcomes don't go as hoped. This builds a dual support system: a cheerleading community for when things go well and a safety net providing empathy and help when things fall short. Through this ongoing process, she learns that survival after public failures doesn’t define her negatively; instead, it provides exposure therapy that lessens the sting and shame of failing in view of others.
Kennedy points out that when dreams are visible, the shame of failure decreases. Secrecy is replaced by communal support, and failure becomes manageable when surrounded by an empathetic community. Public accountability and collective encouragement both foster forward movement and soften tough outcomes.
Redefining Confidence: Surviving Failure Over Guaranteed Success
Becky Kennedy and Kellie Gerardi share insights and personal experiences on how parents can nurture their children's passions and curiosity while remaining realistic and supportive. Their discussion emphasizes the importance of honoring aspirations, fostering curiosity, and balancing practical boundaries with wholehearted encouragement.
Kennedy and Gerardi stress the value of going beyond a child’s stated dream and exploring what specifically excites them about it. For example, Gerardi describes how her daughter's wish to be like Taylor Swift led to deeper questions—does she love singing, performing, writing, or connecting with an audience? Similarly, as a child wanting to be an astronaut, Gerardi realized her passion was not the predefined path of a government astronaut but using space as a laboratory to benefit humanity. Her true interest lay in science and the research aspects of space.
Exploring these core interests allows parents and children to identify the real passions—such as performance, competition, or scientific discovery—that lie beneath apparent career fantasies. Kennedy likens a child's statement like "I want to be Taylor Swift" to opening a door into a room full of unexplored interests rather than taking it as the whole story. This approach allows a child’s authentic interests to flourish, helps validate their excitement, and keeps the conversation flexible about what their future will hold. The emphasis is not on the exact path or achieving celebrity status, but on stoking what truly captivates the child and letting their interests guide the opportunities parents nurture.
Both Kennedy and Gerardi highlight that parental support is most effective when it respects the child’s sense of agency. Gerardi credits her parents for meeting her where she was—whether it was a love of Harry Potter, Barbies, or science and space—without forcing her passions to take a particular direction or dictating outcomes. This freedom fostered her confidence, humility, and joy in curiosity.
Kennedy reframes "obsessions" with things like squishies, beanie babies, or books not as frivolous, but as circuits for curiosity and engagement that may lay the groundwork for later passion in fields like science or space. The positive trait parents should aim to cultivate is a hunger for engaging deeply, wanting to know more, and taking initiative. Gerardi emphasizes that building community and a sense of belonging around early interests also has long-lasting benefits, echoing from childhood fandoms into adult pursuits.
Nurturing interests this way helps children develop a genuine love for learning, teaches them to seek out knowledge, and embeds in them a sense of community. Parents do not need to predict or ensure tangible success from every obsession but should affirm the value of curiosity and engagement themselves.
Kennedy and Gerardi discuss the balance between setting boundaries and nourishing a child's interests. Gerardi recalls that, although her parents encouraged her curiosity, they could not always fulfil ...
Strategies to Foster Curiosity and Support Children's Dreams
Kellie Gerardi recounts how silent shame in her childhood led to unhealthy patterns, where struggles were mistaken for fundamental incapability. She vividly recalls learning to read analog clocks in kindergarten, feeling as if the numbers and hands were "hieroglyphics." Instead of seeking help, she stayed quiet, letting confusion fester while time passed. The longer she waited, the more embarrassing it became to admit she didn’t understand. Eventually, a quiz exposed her struggle, and she was singled out for extra help, which made her feel anxious, embarrassed, and even nauseous over such a seemingly minor issue, which in her mind grew catastrophic.
This pattern repeated itself the following year when learning to read a treble clef in music class. Again, Gerardi kept silent, too ashamed to admit confusion. The pressure built until a test forced the issue, and she finally broke down at home, overwhelmed and upset. Her mother helped reframe the challenge, making a lighthearted pun that Gerardi initially rejected, but then she realized the task was simply memorizing "F-A-C-E." The resolution was anticlimactic, yet the experience was formative—it challenged her belief that not understanding something immediately meant she would never succeed in it.
These repeated episodes taught her that avoidance and shame only amplified her struggles. Instead of interpreting difficulty as permanent incapability, with parental support and perspective, Gerardi began to see that confusion was temporary and surmountable, especially if she could interrupt her instinct to hide her challenges and instead seek help or approach the problem with curiosity.
As Gerardi grew older, she counteracted her childhood shame by intentionally pursuing activities where she was unskilled and engaging with them publicly. This exposure to low-stakes failure, such as openly sharing her ambitions or setbacks, desensitized her to the fear and embarrassment of being seen struggling. She recounts living much of her adult life transparently, boldly announcing her aspirations in real time—sometimes failing publicly—but learning that surviving failure does not define her worth or ...
Overcoming Shame and Negative Childhood Experiences With Failure
Kellie Gerardi and Becky Kennedy discuss the importance of parents visibly struggling with new skills or activities in front of their children. They emphasize that modeling vulnerability helps children understand that learning is a lifelong process and that skill and competence are built through practice, not innate talent.
Kellie Gerardi is intentional about allowing her daughters to witness her trying things she isn’t naturally good at. She shares her experience attending weekly improv classes at her community center, embracing the vulnerability and occasional embarrassment of not being skilled. Gerardi wants her girls to internalize the lesson that being bad at something is often a necessary part of becoming good at it. She believes that children need to get comfortable with trying and enduring that discomfort in order to learn and grow.
Becky Kennedy reinforces this idea, observing that what children witness is more powerful than what parents say. She notes that parents’ competence in everyday tasks can overwhelm kids, making it seem as if adults are experts in everything. Kennedy explains that when parents always appear capable, it creates a challenging learning environment for children, who are beginners at most things. Seeing their parents struggle and improve helps normalize being a beginner and reframes struggle as a natural and expected part of growth. Gerardi adds that she wants her daughters to see her trying new activities that tap different parts of her brain and personality, even when there is no guarantee of success. This demonstrates that adults, too, are continually learning and sometimes fail but persist nonetheless.
Both Gerardi and Kennedy highlight that the value of participating in an activity extends beyond achieving high skill or success. Kennedy shares that she is the worst in her family at word games like Wordle, threads, and spelling bee, while her children and husband excel. She does not necessarily enjoy being outperformed, but she participates for the value of the experience itself. Kennedy also finds joy in playing Scattergories even though she is not good at it, and she plans to keep playing with her ...
Modeling Vulnerability: Parents Struggling Publicly Before Children
Kellie Gerardi discusses her struggle with secondary infertility, emphasizing that, despite cultivating a resilient mindset in other areas of life, the experience was deeply painful and brought "incredibly low lows." She acknowledges that even with practices aimed at separating self-worth from outcomes, no mindset can entirely eliminate the pain of difficult experiences. Gerardi notes that trying to “intellectualize” grief is ineffective—emotional suffering remains present, regardless of perspective.
Becky Kennedy highlights the importance of the story one tells about a challenge, distinguishing between feeling pain and adding a narrative of inadequacy or hopelessness. Kennedy explains that hardship becomes an "abyss" not due to the emotion itself, but because of self-blaming stories such as "something's wrong with me." Gerardi exemplifies a functional narrative, remaining willing to publicly pursue and potentially fail at big dreams, interpreting disappointments as data rather than indictments on her character.
Gerardi, through continual exposure to challenges, learns to separate her sense of self from outcomes. She maintains self-belief and views setbacks not as evidence of inadequacy but as normal parts of pursuing anything meaningful. Kennedy notes that adopting an adaptive story—one less self-blaming and more accepting—helps make hardship more manageable, even though it never fully erases difficult feelings.
Gerardi credits her background in scientific research for helping her face setbacks more productively. She compares personal crises to research protocols, noting that when an experiment or process doesn't yield the expected outcome, researchers collect new data, revise methods, and try again. This perspective helped her approach infertility by objectively analyzing what could be changed or adjusted after each round of treatment.
Although the research mindset doesn’t reduce the grief or emotional weight, it provides a constructive framework for responding to setbacks. Gerardi describes building a partnership with her healthcare providers, bringing ideas and studies into their collaboration. This active role gave her agency amid difficulty and ultimately contributed to a positive outcome: the birth of her youngest daughter. The mindset of “control and adjust” allowed hope and intentional progress, even as she navigated loss and uncertainty.
Gerardi’s ability to treat each setback as more information rather than evidence of personal limitation encouraged persistence. This research-based approach fostered resilience without denying emotional challenges, offering hope and direction rather than despair.
Gerardi redefines per ...
Mindset, Personal Narrative, and Resilience Through Challenges
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