In this episode of Good Inside with Dr. Becky, Dr. Becky Kennedy and Melinda French Gates explore how women lose and reclaim self-trust throughout their lives. They discuss how childhood messages that dismiss girls' perceptions accumulate over time, teaching women to doubt their instincts in relationships, workplaces, and healthcare settings. French Gates shares her personal experiences of losing and rebuilding self-trust through therapy and introspection, while Kennedy explains how parents can help children develop strong self-trust by validating their perceptions and teaching bodily autonomy.
The conversation extends to systemic issues in women's healthcare, including the lack of standardized mental health screening during pregnancy and postpartum, insufficient support during perimenopause and menopause, and the widespread dismissal of women's health concerns by medical providers. Kennedy and French Gates advocate for structural solutions rather than placing the burden on individual women, and they discuss policy changes like paid family leave that could transform gender expectations and support women's health and empowerment.

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Becky Kennedy and Melinda French Gates discuss how women lose and rebuild self-trust throughout their lives, starting with childhood messages that teach girls to doubt their own perceptions.
Kennedy describes how seemingly small invalidating phrases like "You're fine" and "Don't be so sensitive" accumulate over time, teaching girls to doubt their perceptions and trust external interpretations over their own instincts. French Gates adds that women experience what feels like "10,000 paper cuts" from being told they're too emotional, leading them to second-guess themselves as adults—whether sitting in a doctor's office or navigating new motherhood.
French Gates shares her personal experience of being in a verbally abusive college relationship where she internalized negative messages about her worth. She also describes joining Microsoft's male-oriented culture, where her best friend noticed she'd changed, becoming less herself and more focused on "being smart." This adaptation to dominant workplace cultures pushed her to compromise her authenticity. She eventually realized she needed to reconnect with herself, deciding never to accept someone else's measure of her worth.
French Gates explains that reclaiming self-trust required therapy and examining how specific relationships and environments led her to lose trust in herself. She describes the process as "coming back" to herself, with old friends noting she now resembles who she was in her teens and twenties. Kennedy frames adulthood as "figuring out how to return" to who you were before others' beliefs shaped you. When asked if she trusts herself more now than at 30, French Gates answers "100% I do," highlighting how aging can boost women's confidence in their judgment.
Kennedy emphasizes that parents can build children's self-trust by affirming their perceptions. When children notice parents raising their voices, telling them "you're right to notice that" validates their perceptions as trustworthy. Kennedy also highlights teaching bodily autonomy—validating a child's feelings even when setting boundaries. This validation lays the foundation for children to trust their instincts and advocate for themselves in the future, such as insisting on attention from a doctor when something feels wrong.
French Gates recently worked with Gallup to survey 5,000 U.S. adults, revealing that half struggled with mental health during pregnancy or postpartum—a finding that indicates a larger issue lacking urgency in healthcare systems.
Kennedy highlights a stark disparity: gestational diabetes affects about 8-10% of women and receives robust screening, while mental health struggles affect 50%—five times as many—yet mental health screenings aren't standardized. Kennedy and Gates discuss how perfectionism can leave high-achieving women vulnerable to postpartum challenges when faced with the uncontrollable nature of child development. Kennedy suggests that better screening—helping women recognize that parenthood means embracing unpredictability—could buffer against mental health problems. Gates highlights an Alabama clinic that screens every pregnant woman for mental health concerns, demonstrating that improved practices are possible.
Gates extends the conversation to perimenopause and menopause, noting the lack of support during these transitions. She experienced perimenopause after her last child at 37 but remained unaware until visiting multiple healthcare providers. She shares that chronic sleep issues and new anxiety emerged in her 40s, and only after persistent seeking did a provider identify perimenopause as the cause. Gates underlines the challenge of having to consult multiple professionals before being taken seriously, insisting that robust training for health professionals and broader public education are essential to ensure women receive proper healthcare.
Healthcare dismissal of women's concerns remains prevalent, with systemic roots that require institutional reform rather than just individual empowerment.
Kennedy cites a recent study revealing that one in three women have had to insist their healthcare providers take their concerns seriously—a need that persists across socioeconomic status. French Gates notes that even she has experienced dismissal despite her privileged position. She explains that women, historically less often in authority roles, often "almost learn to untrust her gut" and defer to doctors' expertise instead of pushing back when symptoms are minimized. Kennedy emphasizes that powerful women facing dismissal reinforces this as a systemic problem beyond individual empowerment.
French Gates and Kennedy advocate for structural solutions, using gestational diabetes screening as a model for proactive care. French Gates describes how every expectant mother was screened for mental health at her second child's pregnancy and questions why this isn't universal. Both stress that solutions cannot rest solely on women's advocacy; the medical system must develop protocols ensuring women's concerns are heard. According to French Gates, healthcare institutions must prioritize listening earnestly to women's complaints and pursuing relevant testing.
French Gates recommends that women "call out the dynamic" using nonconfrontational language like "I've noticed you didn't ask about..." or "I've noticed you seem to think I don't need that test." Kennedy encourages women to trust their experiences—feeling dismissed is reason enough to seek another provider. She reflects that building self-trust helps girls confidently challenge medical providers, hoping to empower the next generation to demand attentive, respectful care.
Kennedy and French Gates explore how parenting that validates children's feelings builds self-trust, teaches boundaries, and cultivates autonomy.
Kennedy emphasizes validating a child's observation without questioning their instincts. Parents can uphold boundaries while affirming feelings—such as about unhealthy food—helping children trust their perceptions while learning healthy limits. Gates recounts rituals that centered on her children's emotional world, like changing into comfortable clothes and sitting on the floor to read after work, prioritizing her daughter's emotional presence. She describes her daughter as now highly attuned to her own children's emotions, creating generational evolution where children express feelings more openly.
Kennedy and Gates discuss how teaching children to honor messages like "I'm not ready yet" builds strong autonomy and self-trust. Kennedy notes that trusting this feeling without being rushed has lifelong implications, influencing crucial adult decisions about sexual boundaries, medical self-advocacy, and emotional expression. Gates learned to see moments when her child signaled discomfort as valuable insights rather than taking them personally.
Gates describes sitting on the floor and waiting for her granddaughters to approach after naps, adapting her energy to respect their tempo and readiness. Kennedy affirms that children learning their emotions aren't tied to how much they're loved fosters stable self-worth. This parental approach prevents children from masking true feelings for others' approval and establishes a foundation for lifelong self-trust and emotional honesty.
French Gates shares that over thirty years of paid family leave in Nordic countries like Sweden and Norway has transformed societal expectations around parenting. Men now see taking time off at a child's birth as normal, shifting what children expect from their fathers and normalizing equal parental involvement. When paternal leave becomes standard, workplace culture adapts to support caregiving for all employees, leading to increased workforce participation and dual-income families becoming the norm.
Current workplace structures often remain rooted in outdated single breadwinner models, leaving mothers to choose between professional growth and family well-being. Kennedy points out that advice like "sleep when the baby sleeps" disregards the overwhelming tasks solo caregivers face. French Gates emphasizes that workplaces must adapt to modern realities where both parents work and share caregiving. By creating flexible, family-friendly environments, organizations enable women to pursue careers without impossible choices.
French Gates stresses that addressing women's health needs is fundamental to empowerment. When healthcare systems fail to accommodate women, many leave the workforce or step back from promotions. She argues that women must manage their health and career ambitions without choosing between them, insisting "she has to be well to do well." Transforming healthcare to consider women's bodies and needs across the lifespan is essential for greater equity and societal advancement.
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Becky Kennedy describes how repeated, seemingly small invalidating phrases heard in childhood, such as "You're fine," "Don't be so sensitive," and "You make a big deal out of things that are just so small," accumulate over time. These messages teach girls to doubt their own perceptions and question their feelings, eventually believing that others are better at knowing how they feel. Instead of trusting their instincts, they begin to rely on external interpretations.
Melinda French Gates echoes this, saying women and girls experience what feels like "10,000 paper cuts" from being told they are too emotional or dramatic. This constant minimizing causes them to move through life second-guessing themselves, especially when their experiences are dismissed or ignored. For example, as adults, women may sit in a doctor's office and invalidate their health concerns if the doctor downplays their symptoms. The same pattern repeats in other scenarios, such as new motherhood, when women distrust their own judgment because others minimize their experience.
Melinda French Gates shares her personal experience of being in a verbally abusive relationship in college. She internalized the boyfriend's negative messages about her appearance and worth. Adopting someone else's harmful beliefs led her to abandon her true self, eroding her self-worth.
She also describes joining the hard-driving, male-oriented culture at Microsoft, where she absorbed values that conflicted with her own. Her best friend pointed out how Melinda’s persona changed in that environment, becoming less like herself and more focused on “being smart.” This caused her discomfort and led to curt behavior with strangers, showing how adapting to a dominant workplace culture can push women to compromise authenticity.
Melinda realized she didn’t like who she was becoming and decided she needed to reconnect with her authentic self, even if it meant leaving her job. She decided never to accept someone else's measure of her worth, affirming, "I'm good enough. I'm worthy as I am." She learned that abandoning her own values and adopting those imposed by others harmed her self-worth.
Melinda French Gates explains that to reclaim self-trust, she needed therapy and introspection. She examined how specific relationships and environments led her to lose trust in herself, such as the negative relationship in college and the cultural pressures at Microsoft.
She describes the process as “coming back” to herself, receiving affirmations from old friends who said she was now more like who she was in her teens and twenties. Becky Kennedy frames adulthood as "figuring out how to return" to who you were before others' beliefs shaped you.
When asked if she trusts herself more now than at age 30, Melinda answers, "100% I do," underlining the increase in self-confidence and trust in her own gut feelings that comes with age ...
Women's Self-Trust: How Women Lose and Reclaim It
Melinda French Gates recently worked with Gallup to survey 5,000 U.S. adults. The results revealed that half of respondents struggled with their mental health either during pregnancy or postpartum, a finding both shocking and indicative of a larger issue that lacks urgency in public health and healthcare systems. Becky Kennedy notes that after the birth of her first child, she treated her own needs as an afterthought, prioritizing the baby over herself. She emphasizes that research shows parent support directly benefits child care, and self-care is inseparable from good parenting. Frida’s postpartum essentials and breastfeeding survival kits aim to address these overlooked maternal needs, preparing women for the often-unexpected realities of new motherhood.
Kennedy highlights the stark difference in healthcare protocols: gestational diabetes affects about 8-10% of women and receives robust, structured attention with proactive screening. In stark contrast, mental health struggles affect about 50%—five times as many—and yet mental health screenings are not standardized. She insists both issues are crucial and argues for similarly proactive approaches in mental health.
Kennedy and Gates discuss how perfectionism, which rewards effort and control, can leave high-achieving women vulnerable to mental health challenges in motherhood. Kennedy wishes she’d been screened for perfectionism as a risk factor: women used to equating effort with results may struggle intensely when faced with the uncontrollable nature of child development, where effort doesn’t always produce predictable outcomes, such as baby milestones or feeding schedules.
Kennedy suggests that better preparation and screening—helping women recognize that entering parenthood means embracing unpredictability—could provide a helpful buffer against postpartum mental health problems. Gates highlights a clinic in Alabama where every pregnant woman is screened for mental health concerns upon entry, demonstrating that improved practices are possible and effective.
Gates extends the conversation beyond reproductive years, noting the lack of support and awareness during perimenopause and menopause. She experienced perimenopause after her last child at 37 and was unaware of her transition, requiring visits to multiple healthcare providers before being accurately diagnosed. She argues this burden should not fall on women, calling for more open discussion, proper treatments, and comprehensive training of medical and mental health professionals about these life stages.
Women's Health: Needs in Pregnancy, Postpartum, and Menopause
Healthcare dismissal of women's concerns remains a prevalent problem, with systemic roots surpassing individual empowerment or privilege. Recent findings and personal stories from influential advocates highlight the urgent need for institutional reform, proactive care, and the validation of women's experiences within the medical system.
A recent study cited by Becky Kennedy reveals that one in three women have had to insist their healthcare providers take their concerns seriously. This need to push persists across socioeconomic status—even Melinda French Gates, despite her privileged position, confirms she has experienced such dismissal.
French Gates notes that patients generally enter the medical setting at a knowledge disadvantage. Doctors, regardless of gender, hold the authority. Women, historically less often in authority roles, are often unaccustomed to challenging this power dynamic. As a result, instead of pushing back when their symptoms are minimized, many women “almost learn to untrust her gut.” This learned deference, deeply socialized, makes it difficult for women to advocate forcefully for themselves.
Even when women have doubts or feel unheard, there is a tendency to defer to the doctor's expertise. Kennedy explores how this impacts women’s healthcare journeys, causing many not to insist on the extra testing or consideration their symptoms might warrant.
Kennedy emphasizes the significance of powerful women like Melinda French Gates experiencing dismissal, reinforcing that empowerment and advocacy alone can't resolve what is fundamentally a systemic problem.
Structural solutions are necessary to address dismissals and disparities in women's healthcare, shifting the burden from individual patients to the broader medical system.
Kennedy and French Gates describe how gestational diabetes screening—conducted as a matter of course because it affects eight to ten percent of pregnant women—serves as a model for proactive care. French Gates contrasts this with mental health: during her second child’s pregnancy, every expectant mother was screened for mental health at the first appointment. She questions why proactive mental health screening is not universal, urging systematic adoption in all clinics.
French Gates and Kennedy agree that beyond specific screenings, provider education about women's physiology and experiences across the lifespan is essential. Without it, providers may lack the context to interpret and validate women’s symptoms, leading to inappropriate dismissals.
Both stress that solutions cannot rest solely on women’s advocacy; the medical system must develop protocols ensuring women’s concerns are heard and taken seriously. French Gates advocates for clinicians to listen earnestly to women’s complaints and actively pursue relevant testing and differential diagnoses. According to her, the responsibility rests with healthcare institutions, not just individuals, to ensure women receive thoughtful, appropriate care.
Women's Health Dismissals: Need For Systemic Change
The conversation between Melinda French Gates and Becky Kennedy explores how parenting that respects, validates, and creates space for children’s feelings plays a crucial role in building self-trust, teaching boundaries, and cultivating autonomy.
Kennedy emphasizes the importance of validating a child’s observation or feelings without questioning their instincts. When a child notes discomfort or signals that something "doesn’t feel good," parents should credit the child for recognizing their internal state. Kennedy notes that validation is distinct from submitting to a child’s every desire; parents can uphold boundaries—such as about unhealthy food—while affirming the child's feeling. This simultaneous validation and boundary-setting helps children trust their own perceptions while learning healthy limits.
Gates recounts experiences with her children and granddaughters, describing rituals that centered on entering the child’s emotional world rather than expecting the child to conform instantly to an adult’s emotional state. For example, after returning from work, she would change into comfortable clothes and sit on the floor to read with her young daughter, prioritizing the daughter's emotional presence over her own needs. She explains that slowing down to understand a child’s feelings is pivotal, as it models attentive, respectful presence.
Gates also observes that her daughter, now a parent, is highly attuned to her own children's emotions. This generational evolution enables children to express their feelings more openly, making space for others to do the same. Gates illustrates with her granddaughter, who sometimes is reserved after a nap and not ready to immediately interact. Gates waits on the floor, letting the child approach in her own time, reinforcing that the child's internal state matters and is respected.
Kennedy and Gates discuss how teaching children to honor messages like "I'm not ready yet" builds strong autonomy and self-trust, especially for girls. Kennedy describes the power of a child internalizing that it’s acceptable not to be ready—emotionally, physically, or socially—and to trust that feeling without being rushed or overridden. She notes that this trust in internal signals can reduce the likelihood of adults or authority figures convincing children to override their own instincts, which has lifelong implications.
This bodily autonomy and internal authority influence crucial adult decisions, such as sexual boundaries, medical self-advocacy, and emotional expression. Kennedy highlights that the script, "I’m not ready yet," need not be applied only to moments of sexual consent; it is rooted in early childhood lessons about whether one's signals and hesitancies are honored in everyday settings.
Gates recounts her own learning curve, recognizing moments when her child signaled discomfort—like objecting to her "work voice"—and needed her to be emotionally present. Instead of taking such moments personally, Gates learned to see these as valuable insights into the child’s internal world.
Parenting That Builds Self-Trust: Validating Feelings, Teaching Boundaries
In Nordic countries such as Sweden and Norway, over thirty years of paid family leave has transformed societal expectations and norms around parenting and gender roles. Melinda French Gates shares that men in these countries now see taking time off at a child’s birth as normal and desirable, expressing genuine surprise that men in the U.S. rarely do the same. This long-standing policy has shifted what fathers expect of themselves and what children expect from their fathers, normalizing equal parental involvement in childcare.
When paternal leave becomes standard, workplace culture adapts to support caregiving responsibilities for all employees. Policies like these lead to increased workforce participation by both men and women. As a result, more dual-income families become the norm. Even the marketplace responds: in snowy Norwegian cities, for example, companies develop bikes with child carriers suited for either gender, reflecting and supporting shared parenting duties in everyday life.
Current workplace structures often remain rooted in outdated models designed for single breadwinner households, typically prioritizing the man’s career. This leaves one parent—often the mother—managing household duties, pressuring her to choose between professional growth and family well-being. Becky Kennedy points out that advice like "sleep when the baby sleeps" disregards the overwhelming tasks solo caregivers face, underlining the need for more equitable family support at home.
Melinda French Gates emphasizes that workplaces must adapt to fit modern realities, where both parents are likely working and sharing caregiving duties. By creating flexible, family-friendly environments, organizations enable women to pursue their careers without being forced into impossible choices. Such workplace policy changes not only support women’s career advancement and leadership, but also benefit the entire fam ...
Policy Solutions: Supporting Women's Health and Empowerment
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