In this episode of Good Inside with Dr. Becky, Dr. Becky Kennedy and guest Christopher Choukalas explore paternal postpartum depression and its often-misunderstood symptoms. Unlike maternal postpartum depression, which typically presents as sadness and withdrawal, paternal depression manifests through anger, irritability, hypervigilance, and risk-taking behaviors that are frequently mistaken for character flaws rather than recognized as a treatable condition.
Choukalas shares his personal experience with the disorder and discusses how childhood trauma shaped his adult coping mechanisms, creating patterns of compulsive control that affected his parenting and marriage. The conversation covers the importance of finding appropriate therapeutic approaches, the impact of untreated symptoms on entire families, and the healing process that enabled Choukalas to break generational cycles. Kennedy and Choukalas emphasize that proper recognition and treatment of paternal postpartum depression are essential for family wellbeing and children's development.

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Paternal postpartum depression is frequently misunderstood and overlooked, yet Christopher Choukalas's experience demonstrates its significant impact on families and the urgent need for proper recognition and treatment.
When Choukalas's wife researched paternal postpartum depression, she was shocked by how well the symptoms fit her husband: anger, irritability, conflict, risk-taking, and impulsivity. Unlike maternal postpartum depression, which manifests as sadness and lethargy, paternal symptoms are highly activated states. Choukalas describes constant irritability and alertness, turning to dangerous driving and substance use as maladaptive coping mechanisms. He identifies anxiety as the central force, experiencing physical symptoms like electrical jolts through his chest and heart palpitations that kept him in persistent hypervigilance.
Initially, Choukalas resisted the diagnosis, attributing his struggles to character flaws rather than a treatable condition. Becky Kennedy explains that this mischaracterization prevents men from seeking help, as the condition is often mistaken for personality flaws or marital issues.
The biological imperative to protect can override bonding ability. Kennedy explains that hypervigilance makes a parent prioritize threat-scanning over connection, leaving children's emotional bids unmet. Choukalas experienced panic attacks as cascading catastrophic thoughts, while his anger toward his partner arose when she became a perceived obstacle to controlling dangers. His substance use and risk-taking served as temporary relief from overwhelming anxiety.
Choukalas stresses that denying fathers this diagnosis "keeps people from getting the help they need." Research shows children of fathers with untreated postpartum depression face worse academic, emotional, and developmental outcomes than those whose fathers receive treatment, making recognition essential for the entire family's wellbeing.
Choukalas describes an upbringing where stoicism and emotional suppression were rewarded. After his father's abandonment when he was around ten or twelve, he convinced himself for decades that the experience had no emotional impact, dismissing vulnerability as weakness. This dormant injury only surfaced in his mid-forties through therapy and his own parenting experiences.
Kennedy highlights that childhood survival adaptations become adult liabilities. Choukalas's anxiety, once an effective adaptation for childhood chaos, mutated into pathological hypervigilance that prevented presence with loved ones. His compulsive need to control variables, developed in a chaotic childhood, became rigidity that damaged relationships—particularly around his children's routines, where he felt he "couldn't breathe" without perfect control.
Kennedy suggests healing begins with honoring these survival mechanisms while understanding they may no longer serve us. Choukalas's recognition of his unresolved trauma, catalyzed by the desire not to repeat patterns of abandonment with his own children, powerfully motivated his healing journey.
Therapy isn't one-size-fits-all, yet these distinctions are rarely communicated to those seeking help. As a psychology graduate student, Choukalas realized cognitive-behavioral therapy wouldn't work for him because he was already too cerebral—he needed help translating thoughts into emotions. Kennedy compares this to medical specialization: you wouldn't see a dermatologist for a condition requiring an oncologist, but in mental health, people often pick therapists blindly without understanding the differences between modalities like dynamic, CBT, internal family systems, and somatic therapies.
Beyond modality, the therapist's personal qualities matter immensely. Choukalas broke down in sobs just minutes into his first phone call with a new therapist, immediately feeling safe to express deep emotions. For men conditioned to view vulnerability as weakness, having a therapist who models healthy masculine vulnerability is especially important.
Kennedy encourages therapy-seekers to become informed consumers, asking therapists about their training and approach before committing. She recommends leveraging social connections to gather information, normalizing conversations about mental health and helping others make better, more personalized decisions.
Untreated paternal postpartum depression strains marriages and inhibits parent-child bonding. Choukalas describes his relentless need for control over routines—feeding, changing, and schedules all governed by the clock—because the only time he could breathe was when the children were asleep. This led to friction with his wife Lindsay, who preferred spontaneity and flexibility. He interpreted her relaxed attitude as threatening the order he depended on for emotional stability, turning parenting disagreements into sources of mounting tension.
Kennedy notes this accumulation of anxious control saps pleasure from parenthood, creating a household defined by stress rather than joy. These conflicts revealed deeper incompatibility in how each partner processed stress and uncertainty, undermining intimacy and partnership.
When a father's attention is overwhelmingly dedicated to detecting dangers, children's attempts at affection go unnoticed. Lindsay, while recovering from childbirth and tending to newborns, also absorbed her husband's emotional fallout, often without recognition, generating exhaustion and resentment. Children growing up in such environments learn implicitly that anxiety, anger, and rigidity are normal responses to family challenges, compromising their emotional development.
Choukalas describes the powerful release of openly sobbing moments into his first therapy call, finally able to share "horrible, dark, awful things in the presence of another man without losing my masculinity." The therapy room became a safe space where suppressed emotion was finally released, and he could acknowledge how deeply childhood experiences had hurt him.
Kennedy emphasizes that recognizing behaviors as adaptive childhood responses—not just symptoms—enables healing. Therapy provides space to reprocess these memories and choose healthier ways of relating. Choukalas's healing journey fundamentally transformed his parenting capacity. Unlike his own parents who resorted to yelling, he now has emotional bandwidth to choose calmer, more loving responses. He's shifted from dreading family activities to being able to enjoy and be present with his children, even in unpredictable moments.
Deeply motivated not to perpetuate "generational sin," Choukalas uses recovery to model emotional regulation and openness for his children, breaking cycles of generational harm and equipping the next generation to navigate their own feelings with greater awareness and resilience.
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Paternal postpartum depression is often mischaracterized or overlooked, yet it presents distinct symptoms and carries significant implications for families. Christopher Choukalas’s experience highlights the urgent need to recognize and address this condition for the wellbeing of all family members.
When Choukalas’s wife investigated paternal postpartum depression, the list of symptoms shocked her for how well they fit her husband: anger, irritability, conflict, risk-taking, impulsivity, and even drug seeking. Unlike maternal postpartum depression, which often manifests as sadness, guilt, or lethargy, paternal symptoms are highly activated states—constant irritability, conflict, and a sense of being on “threat mode” all the time.
Choukalas describes his own irritability as “constant,” tied to a persistent state of alertness. Risk-taking and impulsivity, such as driving dangerously or turning to substances like alcohol or cigarettes, became maladaptive strategies for coping. These behaviors differ starkly from the image of someone “who just can’t get out of bed,” presenting as high-activation responses driven by relentless internal pressure.
Initially, Choukalas was defensive when the idea of postpartum depression was raised, resisting the notion that something could be wrong with him. He attributed his struggles to character flaws—or just to the stress of family life—thinking he was “a terrible father, a selfish spouse, or an out of control lunatic.” The concept that these experiences might be symptoms of a treatable condition only became apparent once he confronted the possibility of paternal postpartum depression.
Choukalas identifies anxiety as the central force behind his symptoms, although he initially saw his hyper-responsibility and sleepless vigilance as good parenting. He suffered from physical symptoms of anxiety—feelings like “sharp, jarring electrical jolts of energy” through his chest and belly, heart palpitations, and even visits to a cardiologist for irregular heartbeat. This persistent anxiety kept his body in a state of hypervigilance, as if constantly scanning for threats to his family.
The biological imperative to protect can override a parent’s ability to bond. Choukalas recalls moments with his child where, even as she sought his attention, he was physically present but emotionally distant, his focus consumed by threat vigilance rather than connection. Becky Kennedy explains that a parent stuck in hypervigilance feels as though bonding is secondary to constant protection from perceived or imagined dangers—akin to defending against “bears in the forest” instead of playing peekaboo.
Panic attacks became another dimension of Choukalas’s experience, surfacing as frantic mental spirals: one anxious thought cascading into another, “an endless parade of problems borrowed from the future” that sometimes left him unable to stand. This rapid cycling of catastrophic “if this, then that” scenarios drained his energy and undercut his stability as a parent and partner.
Irritability escalates when a parent’s determination to control threats is thwarted, even inadvertently, by a partner. Kennedy points out that in this state, the spouse becomes a perceived obstacle—resulting in acute frustration and anger. For Choukalas, after l ...
Paternal Postpartum Depression: Symptoms, Recognition, and Misconceptions
Christopher Choukalas describes an upbringing where stoicism, hard work, and a lack of emotional expression are rewarded. In such an environment, children learn to suppress emotions, deny trauma, and equate strength with emotional silence.
Choukalas shares that after his father’s abandonment, he convinced himself for decades that he was better off without him. He denied that the experience had any emotional impact, dismissing his pain and reinforcing the belief that vulnerability is a form of weakness. This denial persisted well into adulthood.
Choukalas explains that although his father left when he was around ten or twelve, he only acknowledged the emotional wound in his mid-forties, prompted by his own experiences as a parent and work in therapy. He calls parental abandonment a dormant injury that can remain unacknowledged for decades and become triggered later in life.
Becky Kennedy highlights that what are labeled as symptoms or weaknesses in adulthood often began as necessary childhood adaptations. Choukalas notes that his anxiety, while an effective adaptation for childhood chaos, later mutated into pathological hypervigilance. This made him perceive threats and remain on alert, making it difficult to be present with his loved ones.
Choukalas describes his compulsive need to control his environment as a direct result of childhood experiences. As a parent, this manifested especially around routines like his children’s sleep, where he felt that if things weren’t perfectly controlled, he couldn’t breathe. Kennedy and Choukalas agree that this level of control, although once adaptive, becomes a weakness that can stifle sponta ...
Childhood Trauma and Problematic Adult Coping Mechanisms
Therapy is often misunderstood as a one-size-fits-all process, but, as Christopher Choukalas and Becky Kennedy discuss, there are many distinct modalities, each suited for different people and problems. Choukalas describes that, as a graduate student in psychology, he became aware of these differences and realized cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) would not be ideal for him because he was already too cerebral. Instead, he needed a therapist who could translate thoughts into emotions and help him process feelings—something that isn’t always clear from a therapist’s online profile or website.
Kennedy emphasizes how rarely these distinctions are communicated to people seeking help. She compares it to medical care: someone wouldn’t see a dermatologist for a condition requiring an oncologist, but in mental health, people often pick therapists blindly, unaware of the nuances between modalities like dynamic, CBT, internal family systems, and somatic therapies. These approaches differ in their principles and outcomes, but this information is often not visible to clients, leading them to view therapy as a black box. Both note it’s common for people to choose therapists without understanding what therapeutic approach they practice, which can result in mismatched expectations and the false belief that therapy as a whole is ineffective if the chosen approach doesn’t fit.
Choukalas and Kennedy stress that beyond picking a modality, the therapist’s personal qualities are equally vital. Choukalas shares an experience in which just minutes into a first phone call with a new therapist, he broke down in sobs, feeling unexpectedly safe to express deep emotions. This immediate sense of warmth and acceptance was a clear sign of compatibility.
For men who have been conditioned to view vulnerability as a weakness, having a therapist—especially a male therapist—who can model healthy, masculine vulnerability is especially important. The right therapist can help men access feelings and express themselves authentically without shame. Both hosts underscore that the initial session is usually revealing: if clients experience discomfort or a lack of fit, it’s better to seek a new provider than give up on therapy altogether. A therapist’s capacity to create a safe, welcoming environment for all emotions is as essent ...
Finding the Right Therapy and Modality for Individual Needs
Untreated paternal postpartum depression and anxiety have far-reaching effects, straining marriages, shaping parenting behaviors, and inhibiting crucial parent-child bonding.
Paternal postpartum depression often manifests as a relentless need for control and order, seen in Christopher Choukalas’s insistence on regimented routines for his twin infants. He describes a constant focus on optimizing sleep schedules—feeding, changing, and returning home all governed by the ticking of the clock—to manage his own anxiety and find rare moments of physical relief. Choukalas admits that the only time he could breathe was when the children were asleep, and he needed certainty about their status. This led to friction with his wife, Lindsay, who resisted his rigid routines and refused to use a baby monitor, preferring spontaneous enjoyment and flexibility over strict scheduling.
This difference in approach became a source of mounting tension as Choukalas interpreted his wife’s relaxed attitude as threatening the carefully constructed order he depended on for emotional stability. Parenting disagreements—such as whether to let the children stay out longer or maintain a rigid schedule—were not merely logistical but represented deeper incompatibility in stress handling. For Lindsay, the joy of parenting was being drained by Choukalas’s inflexibility, turning what could have been pleasurable family moments into a series of anxiously choreographed tasks.
The accumulation of individually sensible steps for the children’s care became, in practice, a joyless and stressful experience for both parents. Even their rare outings were overshadowed by the pressure of timing every activity for the sake of routines. Kennedy notes this accumulation of anxious control saps the pleasure from parenthood, creating a household dynamic defined by stress rather than relief. This dynamic, Choukalas explains, led him to become irritable or withdrawn when his partner did not “play ball.” The rigid system, designed to manage anxiety, instead fueled marital distance, frustration, and sometimes resentment.
Kennedy points out that these conflicts exposed how each partner processed stress and uncertainty in fundamentally different ways—optimizing for different needs and values. For Choukalas, control created a sense of safety; for Lindsay, flexibility and enjoyment were more important. The inability to bridge these views led to an ongoing misalignment, undermining intimacy and partnership.
Extended periods of paternal hypervigilance and anxiety result in a parenting style rooted in threat-scanning rather than connection. Choukalas describes his physical state as being in hypervigilant scanning mode “all the time,” with his nervous system primed for protection rather than responsiveness to emotional bids from his partner or children.
When a father’s attention is overwhelmingly dedicated to pre-empting dangers and controlling the environment, opportunities for reciprocity and emotional engagement are missed. The need for continuous reassurance and safety means tha ...
Untreated Paternal Mental Health Affects Marriages, Parenting, Child Bonding
Christopher Choukalas describes the powerful release he experiences just moments into his first therapy call, openly sobbing and voicing, "this is terrible and I need to not feel this way." He reflects on how the therapeutic environment, especially with a male therapist, allows him to share "horrible, dark, awful things in the presence of another man without losing my masculinity." He likens this process to opening a pressure cooker, where years of suppressed emotion are finally released. The therapy room acts as a safe, non-judgmental space where the emotional floodgates open, and pain, often buried under anger and the need for control, comes pouring out. Choukalas admits it was not until he was in a crisis as a father himself, in therapy, that he could finally acknowledge how deeply childhood experiences had hurt him and that he had not moved past them. Becky Kennedy underscores this realization, describing the cruel irony of adulthood symptoms—like anger or being in constant threat mode—masking deep pain that only emerges in the security of therapeutic connection.
Kennedy highlights a crucial aspect of healing: recognizing that many behaviors labeled as symptoms in adulthood were once adaptive responses during childhood. What once served to protect or regulate as a child can become maladaptive later in life. She emphasizes that it is not just an event, but how the event is processed in childhood, that leaves a lasting impact in the body and psyche. Therapy provides the space to unpack and reprocess these memories and adaptations. This self-awareness enables healing that moves beyond intellectual understanding, as clients like Choukalas start to see how their present ways of coping originated as responses to early fear or instability. Processing childhood events in therapy offers a pathway to move past survival strategies and choose healthier ways of relating.
Choukalas describes how his own healing journey and reduced anxiety have fundamentally transformed how he parents. He notes that, unlike his own parents who resorted to yelling, he now has the emotional bandwidth to choose calmer, more l ...
Healing Through Therapy, Self-Awareness, and Breaking Generational Cycles
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