In this episode of Good Inside with Dr. Becky, Dr. Becky Kennedy speaks with Caroline Chambers and Leah Smart about the often unspoken realities of early parenthood. The conversation addresses the jarring gap between expectations and experience, covering topics like the loss of identity and routine, the physical aftermath of childbirth that frequently goes undiscussed, and the way difficult moments can feel permanent when you're in them.
The episode also explores perinatal mental health, particularly postpartum anxiety and intrusive thoughts. Smart shares her experience with intrusive harm thoughts and explains how these thoughts function as protective mechanisms rather than reflections of intent. Kennedy and her guests emphasize the importance of reframing these experiences, building support systems, and engaging in honest conversations about the challenges of new parenthood—topics that are often considered taboo but are far more common than parents realize.

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Caroline Chambers and Becky Kennedy explore the unanticipated challenges of new parenthood, examining the gap between expectations and reality around identity loss, physical changes, and the illusion that difficult moments will last forever.
Before having children, Chambers establishes her sense of self through a structured morning routine maintained for nine years. When she enters motherhood, this carefully constructed identity shatters as constant unpredictability replaces routine. She describes feeling like "a broken shell of a human," overwhelmed by both her baby's needs and the dramatic loss of her former self.
Chambers also notes the physical aftermath of childbirth often goes undiscussed, leaving mothers unprepared. She experienced bladder dysfunction, breast engorgement, and involuntary urination, sparking constant questioning about what is "normal." This silence around postpartum realities leaves many mothers feeling uniquely flawed or unprepared. Additionally, when her baby transitions from frequent napping to a fixed wake-up schedule, Chambers loses personal freedom and spontaneity, as every morning begins with the baby's demands rather than her own preferences.
Both Chambers and Kennedy describe how new motherhood fosters a "forever truth" sensation—difficult emotions and challenges feel permanent and suffocating in the moment. Chambers remembers believing she would always feel incapable or that her child's distress would never end. Perception eventually shifts as parents realize every stage is temporary, though this understanding is rarely apparent during the darkest days.
Leah Smart shares her experience of perinatal anxiety, which intensified during pregnancy with panic attacks around five months. Diagnosed with perinatal anxiety, she found this experience more frightening and shameful than her past struggles, especially since awareness largely centers on postpartum depression rather than anxiety.
Smart and other mothers discuss experiencing intrusive thoughts involving distressing "what if" scenarios about harming their babies. She clarifies these thoughts are triggered by heightened vigilance over what matters most, not by malice or genuine intent. They arise precisely because of intense love and protective feelings for the baby.
A core challenge Smart describes is the dangerous spiral following an intrusive thought: questioning what kind of parent has such thoughts and what it means about their character. Kennedy notes that if parents believe having the thought makes them a bad person, it can distort their identity and values. Smart also describes processing these thoughts alone, acknowledging that isolation—especially without coping strategies—can turn restorative alone time into moments of intense anxiety.
Chambers describes a profound shift in daily routines where choices about sleep, exercise, and personal care become dependent on the baby's needs. She recalls moments out with friends feeling compelled to rush home, driven by anxiety that a small disruption could cascade into sleepless nights. This realization of being fully responsible for another life can be shocking, and she reflects, "I've completely changed my entire life and, like, no one really warned me."
The mental load proves overwhelming for many new parents. Chambers discusses becoming preoccupied with her own well-being, often feeling guilty these thoughts conflicted with what she thought motherhood should feel like. Society's expectation that mothers should bond through cozy moments can generate shame when reality involves stress and relentless practical concerns. Compelled to anticipate problems before they arise, parents adopt constant planning and hypervigilance, which overrules self-care.
Chambers describes intense postpartum anxiety where she checked on her baby's breathing 20 times a night with multiple monitors. Instead of comfort, reliance on monitors amplified her anxiety, as Kennedy points out that "the solution kind of becomes the problem." This hypervigilance traps parents in perpetual worry, where everything could be a problem requiring a proactive state.
Smart and Kennedy emphasize that intrusive thoughts do not define who we are or dictate our actions. Intrusive thoughts, even about harm, don't indicate actual intent—they show the person wants the opposite. Smart references studies suggesting we have around 87,000 thoughts daily, most negative, but the vast majority drift through unnoticed. What stands out are thoughts about what truly matters, which can become sticky when they appear to oppose our values.
Kennedy explains that parents' intrusive harm thoughts signal strong attachment and protective instincts, sometimes tangled with anxiety. Smart copes with these spirals by physically interrupting the cycle through walks, seeking educational material, and therapy, which help her remember such thoughts aren't real reflections of herself.
Kennedy explains that many parents feel shame over difficult emotions, believing good parents should always be happy and grateful. She emphasizes normalizing not only deep love but also grieving lost autonomy and the significant identity shift parenthood brings.
The "Rattled" podcast serves as a safe space for honest discussions about difficult emotions and scary thoughts that are typically excluded from group chats. Kennedy explores taboo subjects like intrusive thoughts to demonstrate their commonness and reduce shame. She underscores the necessity of honest conversations for couples, noting that post-baby confusion signals a life transition, not a personal failing.
Kennedy introduces resources through the Good Inside app, offering sleep support, lactation expertise, workshops, and daily community connection. The platform is rooted in the belief that "the best way to take care of a baby is to take care of the person holding the baby," challenging the idea that mothers must abandon their own needs.
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Caroline Chambers and Becky Kennedy examine the unanticipated challenges and emotional shifts that mark the early days of new parenthood. Their conversation exposes the vast gap between expectations and reality, particularly around fractured identity, physical shock, loss of autonomy, and the powerful illusion of permanency in tough moments.
Before having children, Caroline Chambers establishes her sense of productivity and self-worth through a structured morning routine. For nine years and approximately 2,700 repetitions as a young professional in New York City, she wakes up, exercises, showers, and is ready for work by 9 a.m. This routine, with its predictability and limited variables, becomes a core part of her identity and source of value.
When Chambers enters motherhood, this carefully constructed sense of agency and accomplishment shatters. Suddenly, constant unpredictability replaces routine. She describes feeling like “a broken shell of a human,” overwhelmed not just by her baby’s needs but also by the dramatic loss of her former identity. The clash between her long-established sense of self and the relentless demands of a newborn is disorienting and makes her question her capabilities.
Chambers is candid about the physical aftermath of childbirth, noting how much of it goes undiscussed, leaving new mothers unprepared and isolated. She recounts experiencing bladder dysfunction, extreme breast engorgement, and involuntary urination when laughing, sparking fear and constant questioning about what is "normal." She reflects that prior to childbirth, she assumed the pain ended when the baby arrived, not realizing that recovery itself is a protracted journey. This silence around postpartum realities breeds feelings of selfishness and self-absorption, as new mothers focus heavily on their own distress in the early weeks.
The absence of open conversations means many mothers face these challenges thinking they are uniquely flawed or unprepared, heightening their sense of isolation and surprise at how much their bodies can change and struggle.
A further major shift occurs when the baby transitions from frequent napping to a firm wake-up schedule. Chambers recalls her previous adult freedom to sleep in, which vanishes when her child starts waking up at 6:30 a.m.—even on winter mornings in California. This routine underscores a loss of personal freedom and spontaneity, as every morning now begins with the baby’s demands rather than her own preferences. Chambers and Kennedy liken the experience to signing a contract and only later discovering the de ...
Unexpected Reality of Early Parenthood: Gap Between Expectations and Experience
Leah Smart shares her experience of perinatal anxiety, noting that while she had experienced intrusive thoughts before pregnancy, they intensified during pregnancy due to the heightened significance of impending motherhood. Around five months pregnant, she began having panic attacks, particularly on the New York City subway—a setting she was previously comfortable in. Diagnosed with perinatal anxiety by a maternal psychiatrist, Leah describes this new anxiety as more frightening and shameful compared to her past experiences, especially since awareness and discussion largely center on postpartum depression, leaving her uninformed and isolated in her struggle.
Leah and other mothers in her support group discuss experiencing intrusive thoughts, often involving distressing “what if” scenarios about harming their babies. Leah clarifies that these thoughts are triggered by heightened vigilance over what matters most, not by malice or genuine intent. Examples include fears like “What if I throw my baby out the window?” or “What if I see a knife and hurt the baby?” These thoughts, she explains, are anxiously hypervigilant responses, not desires or reflections of character flaws. They arise precisely because of the intense love and protective feelings for the baby.
A core challenge Leah describes is the dangerous spiral that can follow an intrusive thought. The anxiety often leads to self-questioning: “What kind of mom has those thoughts? What does it mean about me?” This feedback loop—obsessing and analyzing the thought, then worrying about its normalcy—strengthens the anxiety’s grip through fear and shame. Becky Kennedy notes that if parents believe having the thought makes them a bad person, the thought ...
Perinatal Mental Health: Postpartum Anxiety and Intrusive Thoughts
Caroline Chambers describes a profound shift in daily routines after becoming a parent. She says, "I don't just get to sleep if I want to sleep. And I don't just get to go to the gym if I want to go to the gym or, you know, whatever it is. Like, I have this thing to take care of all the time." Choices about sleep, exercise, meals, and personal care become dependent on the baby's needs, creating an undeniable sense of loss of autonomy.
Chambers recalls moments out with friends, saying she felt compelled to rush home even if her baby was perfectly content, driven by the anxiety that a small disruption in the baby’s schedule could lead to a cascade of sleepless nights and exhaustion: "I'd be like out at lunch having a really nice time with a friend. The baby would be perfectly happy. And I'd be like, I gotta get home. You know, in 15 minutes, he's gonna be overtired and then he'll never fall asleep. And I like wrote this. And then it'd be up all night. And then I'll never sleep. And then I'll turn into a monster tomorrow."
This realization of suddenly being fully responsible for another life can be shocking, resembling the discovery of hidden terms after a major commitment. Chambers shares, "I have to, like, entertain you... we're here together now." She reflects, "I've completely changed my entire life and, like, no one really warned me…was I actually ready to do this? Like, was I ready to change, 100% change my life, have somebody else depending on me all the time?"
For many new parents, the mental load is overwhelming. Chambers discusses how she became preoccupied with her own well-being and reactions, often feeling guilty that these thoughts conflicted with what she thought motherhood was supposed to feel like: "I think I pictured this cozy little bubble with a baby, and really, I ended up thinking about myself a lot… I imagined thinking about the baby all the time, having these cozy, cuddly moments with my husband and the baby. And yeah, it ...
Identity Shift and Loss of Self in Parenthood
Caroline Chambers describes intense postpartum anxiety: "I got up and checked on his breathing 20 times a night. I had, like, all the monitors, the outlet on his foot, the, you know, camera looking down at him. Like, I had all the monitors, and I realize now that that was perpetuating the problem so much for me. Because I felt like if I wasn't looking at the monitors, then something bad would happen." Instead of comfort, reliance on monitors produces a false sense of security and actually amplifies anxiety. As Becky Kennedy points out, "the solution kind of becomes the problem."
The state of hypervigilance described by Chambers—obsessive checking and planning, feeling unable to relax even when the baby is fine—traps new parents in a cycle of perpetual worry. Kennedy summarizes, "When we're in hypervigilance mode, right? Everything could be a problem, so everything needs a proactive ...
Postpartum Anxiety: Hypervigilance and Compulsive Monitoring Behaviors
Leah Smart and Becky Kennedy emphasize the fundamental distinction between the contents of our thoughts and our identity, values, or intentions. They highlight that intrusive thoughts do not define who we are or dictate our actions.
Intrusive thoughts, even those about harm, do not indicate actual intent or capability. Kennedy illustrates this by recalling the example of someone obsessively thinking, "hope the plane doesn't crash," while flying—such a thought is not a sign of wanting the plane to crash. Instead, it shows the person wants to stay alive. Smart references studies suggesting we have around 87,000 thoughts per day, most of which are negative or self-focused. The vast majority drift through our consciousness unnoticed, serving as background noise rather than meaningful signals about intent. What stands out are thoughts about what truly matters to us, which can become sticky and distressing, especially when they appear to oppose our desires or values.
Smart experiences a significant turning point in understanding that her fears are actually about wanting the opposite of what the intrusive thought suggests. For example, fears about harm coming to her baby or her dog arise not from a wish to do harm but from deep care and love—she is profoundly invested in their safety. Kennedy adds that parents, including those who have struggled with fertility, may be especially distressed by intrusive harm thoughts. But, she explains, these thoughts are not reflections of secret desires or dangerous potential. Instead, they signal a parent’s strong attachment and protective instincts, sometimes tangled up by anxiety and overwhelm.
By drawing parallels between intrusive thoughts and other fearful obsessions, Smart and Kennedy further normalize these experiences. Obsessive fear—like worrying a plane will crash—reflects a desire for ...
Reframing: Intrusive Thoughts Aren't Who You Are
New parenthood can be destabilizing, filled with doubt, fear, and overwhelm. These feelings do not indicate failure, but are common, though often surrounded by shame because of societal narratives. Becky Kennedy explains that many parents feel shame over difficult emotions, believing that good parents should be happy, grateful, and always bonded with their babies. She emphasizes the importance of normalizing not only a parent’s deep love but also the grieving of lost autonomy and the significant identity shift that comes with welcoming a new child.
Parents frequently experience intrusive or jarring thoughts, such as fears about harming their child. Kennedy stresses that these are common, with many silently carrying such burdens, yet feeling unable to voice them due to the expectation that parenthood should only bring joy and fulfillment. Naming these hard thoughts can be a profound relief and helps reduce the shame and isolation parents may feel. Kennedy’s conversations with parents make it clear that it is possible to hold both love for a baby and grief for previous freedoms without being a failure.
The "Rattled" podcast serves as a safe space for parents to have honest, non-judgmental discussions about difficult emotions and scary thoughts. In an interview with Leah Smart, Kennedy explores intrusive thoughts, such as, “what if I hurt my kid?” These taboo subjects are voiced openly to demonstrate their commonness and to reframe the narrative around them. Through candid interviews, the podcast normalizes experiences like perinatal anxiety, identity crisis, and intrusive thoughts, highlighting that naming hard things can dramatically reduce shame and the sense of isolation.
Kennedy underscores the necessity of honest conversations about what happens after bringing a baby home, not just for individuals, but for couples. She notes that couples who feel connected before a baby arrives may find themselves confused and disconnected after, often misinterpreting this as a sign of brokenness rather than change. Understanding that post-baby confusion and conflict signal a life transition, not a persona ...
Importance of Support, Honest Talk, and Community in New Parenthood
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