In this episode of Good Inside with Dr. Becky, Dr. Becky Kennedy and Cleo Wade explore the complex emotional transformation of motherhood, focusing on postpartum depression and identity loss. Wade shares her personal experience with postpartum depression, discussing the guilt that arises when mothers feel they "should" be grateful despite their pain, and how cultural narratives often fail to create space for the full range of maternal emotions.
The conversation covers practical approaches to recovery and self-care, including the power of simple daily rituals like walking, hydration, and mantras to help mothers reconnect with themselves. Kennedy and Wade also examine how the stories mothers share shape what feelings women believe they're allowed to have, and why honest conversations about difficulty are essential. The episode concludes with a discussion about modeling self-love and boundaries for children, emphasizing that a mother's personhood and her motherhood are interdependent rather than in competition.

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Postpartum depression involves a complex struggle with identity loss, the tension between gratitude and personal pain, and cultural narratives that fail to fully support new mothers through this transition.
Cleo Wade stresses that gratitude arising from guilt—telling themselves they "should" be grateful because their baby is healthy—is not genuine gratitude. This "should" mentality keeps mothers emotionally stuck at a deficit, unable to heal. Wade distinguishes true gratitude as something tied to the present moment without stories of obligation or shame. When mothers try to reconcile loving their baby with their own pain, the internal contradiction creates a constant cycle of shame and guilt that deepens their struggle rather than helping recovery.
Wade observes that while childbirth is difficult, the emotional transformation into motherhood is even more challenging. She describes feeling disconnected from herself—her thoughts, body, and interests no longer felt familiar, and she worried her child might never know the "real" her. Within postpartum depression, a loop of invisible, repetitive thoughts churns inside mothers, unseen by even their closest loved ones. Well-intentioned suggestions for help can trigger anger because they feel like a dismissal of the monumental, unseen emotional effort already underway.
Wade and Becky Kennedy agree that society tells women "a baby changes everything" but rarely creates space for mothers to navigate their own identity transformation. There is little language or permission to admit the contradiction of loving one's child while feeling unhappy or lost. Offers of help can feel like affronts during depression, often a sign that more support is needed. Naming and acknowledging the struggle—not rushing to gratitude—is the foundational step to genuine healing.
Wade recounts being in the deepest part of her postpartum depression when she hears the phrase "remember love" on a podcast. This simple anchor offers clarity, and she writes "please remember love" on a Post-it as a tangible reminder. Wade realizes her inner dialogue is toxic and that the first step to self-kindness is recognizing negative self-talk and replacing it with caring questions: "What do you need? How can I give it to you in a loving way?" As Wade says, if self-love says "I love you," self-care says "prove it." This intentional, loving engagement with oneself can help dispel depression and nurture authentic recovery.
Wade and Kennedy explore self-care through accessible daily rituals, emphasizing the power of movement, nature, water, and mantras to help mothers reconnect with themselves and promote healing.
Wade describes her commitment to daily walks without digital distractions, focusing on her surroundings and noticing details of nature. Observing a tree holding both a dying leaf and a blossoming flower helped her process complex feelings of change and coexistence. Kennedy recalls walking every afternoon during early motherhood—simple walks that gave her breath and helped combat heaviness. Wade highlights that basic rituals like splashing cool water on her face, feeling sunlight, or placing her feet in the earth foster a visceral sense of connection with nature and herself.
Kennedy expresses that mantras are powerful for calming anxiety by offering an anchor that shrinks big moments down to manageable size. Wade points out that people are highly absorbent of daily messages from the world, and when these triggers occur, a mantra intervenes, offering a deliberate redirect. Wade emphasizes that a mantra's strength lies in its repeated simplicity—it's something people can turn to when more complex self-care feels out of reach.
Kennedy explains that starting the day with water helps her feel cared for and is legitimate self-care. She encourages others to begin tending to themselves through basic needs. Wade shares how taking a shower at 4:30 each day is her essential, nonnegotiable moment of solitude before evening family demands. Both stress the importance of brief, recurring acts—even just five minutes—to restore depleted energy and prevent emotional breakdowns. These foundational practices honor the universal right to self-tending without depending on anything elaborate or expensive.
Kennedy and Wade discuss how the stories shared among women, especially about motherhood, directly shape the range of feelings women believe they are allowed to have.
The stories experienced mothers tell shape how new mothers interpret their own feelings. Kennedy emphasizes that when seasoned moms provide only positive narratives, new moms encountering difficulty may feel their struggles are abnormal or a personal failing. Wade illustrates this by sharing that whenever a new mom confides in her, she always begins with, "It's so damn hard." Hearing others acknowledge the difficulty gives women permission to experience the full range of their feelings without adding shame.
Kennedy and Wade discuss how society pressures mothers to feel grateful and fulfilled. When this expectation doesn't match reality, mothers interpret their unhappiness as personal failure rather than recognizing it as a normal life transition. Wade advises skipping the performative "I'm okay" and starting by naming the real feeling: "I'm not okay, this is really hard, and I'm so sad." Normalizing the full spectrum of maternal experiences creates collective permission for mothers to be honest rather than performing an idealized version of motherhood.
Kennedy shares her own experience, stating plainly that the early baby stage was "completely unenjoyable." By being candid without adding a required positive spin, she helps other mothers see that disliking a stage doesn't define their parenting ability or bond with their child. Wade notes that breaking the silence by being truthful about "not being okay" is a critical step to accessing help and support.
Wade and Kennedy emphasize that children learn self-care, healthy boundaries, and self-worth primarily by watching parents enact these principles in daily life.
Wade stresses that children will only truly value stillness and personal time if they see it honored within their home. Kennedy describes telling her children, "I'm not available right now. I'm spending a few moments being still and that's really important to me." Over time, her children adapt because they see stillness respected. Wade points out that when parents hide their self-care or neglect reflective moments, they cannot effectively teach wellness—children absorb familial values chiefly through observed behavior.
Wade notes that parental self-care often triggers guilt, raising the question: "Are boundaries rejecting my child, or are they how I make love sustainable?" Kennedy emphasizes that boundaries are inherent to all loving relationships. By setting and maintaining boundaries, parents teach children that everyone has separate needs and that honoring one's own limits is part of loving and being loved.
Wade stresses that mothers prioritizing their own care model for their children that self-value can co-exist with loving others. Witnessing a parent put self-care first teaches children that self-love is their birthright—not something that must be earned. The greatest gift a parent can offer, Wade and Kennedy agree, is the visible permission to love oneself. By consistently valuing their own personhood and setting boundaries, parents offer their children an embodied lesson: self-respect is not selfishness, but self-worth in action.
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Postpartum depression is a complex emotional journey that involves losing touch with one's identity, struggling to reconcile gratitude for a new child with the personal pain and confusion of early motherhood, and facing the inadequacy of cultural narratives that fail to fully support new mothers.
Cleo Wade stresses that gratitude arising from guilt is not genuine gratitude. When mothers tell themselves they should be grateful—because their baby is healthy, they are healthy, or their life meets outside expectations—they think choosing gratitude will lift them from postpartum depression. In reality, this “should” mentality keeps them emotionally at a deficit, unable to rise above their struggle. Every attempt at gratitude is sabotaged by guilt, leaving mothers stuck rather than healing.
Wade distinguishes true gratitude as something deeply tied to the present moment, without the stories of obligation or shame. Present gratitude is spiritual and magical, accessible only in the now—like being aware the sun has risen or that simply being okay is possible. When gratitude is entangled with guilt over what mothers feel, it becomes a source of more pain, not relief.
This internal contradiction—loving the baby, wanting what one has, but feeling pain despite it—creates a constant cycle of shame and guilt. Mothers feel something is wrong with them, as if they are unworthy or broken for not experiencing joy, deepening their struggle rather than helping them recover from postpartum depression.
Wade observes that while childbirth itself is difficult, the emotional transformation into motherhood is even more challenging. New mothers often feel unprepared for the depth and complexity of feelings that follow the arrival of a baby.
Wade describes feeling she could not recognize herself—her thoughts, body, and interests no longer felt familiar. She lamented that her child might never know the “real” her. The disconnection from those small, joyful “sparkly things” that once made her feel alive is overwhelming. Sleep deprivation, hormonal upheaval, and the sheer scope of change contribute to feeling trapped in a stranger’s body and mind.
Within postpartum depression, a loop of invisible, repetitive, and sometimes violent-feeling thoughts churns inside mothers, unseen by even their closest loved ones. Suggestions for help—even well-intentioned ones—can be triggering, igniting anger instead of comfort, since they can feel like a dismissal of the monumental, unseen emotional effort already underway.
Cleo Wade and Becky Kennedy agree that cultural expectations center on the baby changing everything, but society rarely creates space for mothers to navigate the other monumental shift: the transformation of their own identity. There is little language or permission to admit the contradiction of loving one’s child while feeling unhappy or lost.
Offers of help, even from loving people, can feel like affronts during depression. This emotional reaction is often a sign that more support is needed, and that there is a need for a shift or deeper help. Wade notes that mothers become angry because no one can see or understand the invisible effort and suffering taking place internally.
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Postpartum Depression: Identity Loss and the Disconnect Between Gratitude and Emotion
Cleo Wade and Becky Kennedy explore self-care through accessible daily rituals, emphasizing the power of movement, nature, water, and mantras to help mothers and individuals reconnect with themselves and promote healing.
Cleo Wade describes her commitment to daily walks as essential for managing her mental health. She deliberately avoids digital distractions by putting her phone on airplane mode, instead focusing on her surroundings and noticing the details of each tree in her neighborhood. Observing nature in this undisturbed way, she finds moments of resonance—such as seeing a tree holding both a brown, dying leaf and a blossoming flower—which helped her process complex feelings of change and coexistence. Becky Kennedy recalls walking every afternoon during her early days of motherhood. These walks, simple and unsophisticated, gave her breath and helped combat the heaviness and dread that would settle as the days grew darker in fall. Even just moving through her block and interacting with the world around her, Kennedy found her need for movement met and her mood noticeably improved.
Wade highlights that basic rituals, such as splashing cool water on her face, feeling sunlight on her back, or placing her feet in the earth, foster a visceral sense of connection with nature and herself. These minor acts—accessible anywhere, at any moment—play a vital role in recovery and self-repair. Wade explains that nature reminds people of their own cyclical experiences, seeing in the environment affirmation for both loss and renewal. Witnessing a tree simultaneously hold dying and budding leaves validates the idea that lives, too, can hold pain and growth in a single instant. This recognition supports the book’s central theme that nature is essential in processes of repair, recovery, and authentic connection.
Kennedy expresses that mantras are powerful for calming anxiety and overwhelming thoughts. By repeating something simple, even when circumstances spiral, mantras become an anchor—shrinking big moments down to manageable size. Wade expands on this, pointing out that people are highly absorbent; daily messages from the world—including those from social media and advertising—affect thoughts and feelings automatically without conscious choice. When these triggers occur, a mantra intervenes, offering a deliberate redirect and breaking the cycle of unhelpful thinking.
Wade emphasizes that a mantra’s strength lies in its repeated simplicity and accessibility. It isn’t about elaborate routines or wellness products; instead, it’s something people can turn to when more complex self-care feels out of reach. Mantras act as a first step in shifting thought patterns, allowing individuals to choose their next thought intentionally and create a boundary around outside influences that can lead to spiraling or negativity.
Kennedy explains that starting the day with water—just drinking water or ...
Self-Care: Mantras, Movement, Nature, Water For Recovery and Connection
Becky Kennedy and Cleo Wade discuss how the cultural stories and narratives shared among women, especially about motherhood, directly shape the range of feelings women believe they are allowed to have.
The stories experienced mothers tell shape how new mothers interpret their own feelings. If seasoned moms provide only positive narratives, new moms encountering difficulty may feel their own struggles are abnormal or a personal failing. Becky Kennedy emphasizes that the stories women tell each other have a powerful impact on what feelings women believe are acceptable. When the reality of motherhood is curated to fit cultural ideals, mothers begin to pathologize ordinary struggles.
Cleo Wade illustrates this by sharing that whenever a new mom confides in her about struggling, she always begins her response with, "It's so damn hard." Starting out with honesty helps remove the shame. Hearing others acknowledge the difficulty gives women permission to allow themselves to experience the full range of their feelings.
The cultural script that motherhood should be joyful pressures women to conceal real challenges. When their authentic experience fails to match this false standard, mothers may feel broken or believe something is wrong with them, deepening their shame and isolation.
Kennedy and Wade discuss how society pressures mothers to constantly feel grateful and fulfilled. When this expectation does not match reality, mothers interpret their unhappiness as a personal failure, rather than recognizing it as a normal and valid reaction to a major life transition.
This disconnect between what mothers are told they “should” feel and what they actually feel breeds unnecessary guilt and shame. Cleo Wade advises skipping the performative “I’m okay” and starting by naming the real feeling: “I’m not okay, this is really hard, and I’m so sad.” Only by acknowledging the truth of their experience can mothers begin to heal and move forward.
Normalizing the full spectrum of maternal experiences—pleasant and unpleasant—creates collective permission for mothers to be honest, rather than pressuring them to perform an idealized version of motherhood for others.
How Cultural Narratives Shape the Feelings We Believe We're Allowed
Cleo Wade and Becky Kennedy emphasize that children learn self-care, healthy boundaries, and self-worth primarily by watching parents enact these principles in daily life. The most profound lessons about self-love and wellness are not taught through words, but through consistent, lived example.
Cleo Wade stresses that the only way children will truly value stillness, self-reflection, or personal time is if they see it honored and protected within their home environment. Simply instructing children to “take care of yourself” or “have time alone” rings hollow if they never witness a parent practicing it. Kennedy echoes this, describing moments when she sits on the couch and tells her children, "I'm not available right now. I'm spending a few moments being still and that's really important to me." Over time, her children protest less because they adapt to seeing stillness respected.
Wade points out that the greatest gift parents can give is to show self-care in action, especially amid the relentless distractions that define modern life. When parents hide their self-care or neglect reflective moments, they cannot effectively teach wellness. Instead, children absorb familial values chiefly through observed behavior.
Kennedy explains that when a parent models intentional stillness or sets a clear boundary to take personal time, it signals to children that self-care is non-negotiable and fundamental. The child learns through regular exposure that taking time for oneself is valued and necessary.
Wade notes that parental self-care often triggers guilt, raising difficult questions: “Are boundaries rejecting my child, or are they how I make love sustainable?” She explains that the guilt so many mothers feel—a sense of “mom guilt” when leaving for work or taking time away—often masks a deeper fear that boundaries might be perceived as rejection. Wade and Kennedy agree that understanding true rejection versus healthy disappointment is a lesson that unfolds over many years of childhood, not in a single moment.
Kennedy emphasizes that boundaries are inherent to all loving relationships. By setting and maintaining boundaries, parents teach children that everyone has separate needs and emotions, and that honoring one’s own limits is part of loving and being loved. Using the metaphor of a glue container, Kennedy illustrates that for the “glue” of love or care to have meaning, it must exist within a defined and respected container—solid walls and boundaries make the contents valuable, rather than letting them spill out an ...
Modeling Self-Love, Boundaries, and Stillness For Children
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