In this episode of Good Inside, Dr. Becky Kennedy and Charles Duhigg explore the science behind habit formation and how to change habits effectively. Duhigg explains the three-part structure of habits—cue, routine, and reward—and describes how the brain's basal ganglia automates actions to conserve mental energy. He suggests that modifying either the cue or reward, rather than the routine itself, leads to more successful habit changes.
The conversation then shifts to practical applications in parenting and communication. Kennedy and Duhigg discuss strategies for teaching children about habits and maintaining control over their behaviors. They also examine three modes of conversation—practical, emotional, and social—and explain how matching communication styles can improve relationships and prevent disconnection. Their discussion includes specific techniques like "looping for understanding" and reframing challenging behavior.

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In this episode, Becky Kennedy and Charles Duhigg explore the neuroscience of habits and effective strategies for changing them. Duhigg explains that habits follow a three-part loop: a cue triggers a routine, which leads to a reward. This understanding provides a framework for habit modification.
Duhigg describes how the basal ganglia in our brain automates actions to conserve mental energy, creating habit loops that persist even when we stop consciously noticing cues. Rather than trying to modify the routine itself, Duhigg suggests that changing either the cue or reward proves more effective for altering habits.
Kennedy and Duhigg discuss practical applications of habit science in parenting. Duhigg shares how he teaches his children about habit mechanisms to help them understand they have control over their behaviors. Kennedy demonstrates this approach through examples like using post-it notes as cues for children to complete tasks, followed by emotional rewards such as acknowledgment and gratitude.
Duhigg introduces three modes of conversation: practical, emotional, and social. He emphasizes that successful communication requires both parties to engage in the same type of conversation simultaneously. When communication styles are mismatched—such as responding to emotional concerns with practical solutions—frustration and disconnection can result.
Kennedy and Duhigg share several effective communication techniques. Duhigg introduces "looping for understanding," where you ask deep questions about values and experiences, then paraphrase responses to demonstrate active listening. Kennedy suggests viewing children as "good kids having a hard time" rather than "bad kids doing spoiled things." Both emphasize the importance of open-ended questions and showing genuine wonder to encourage thoughtful dialogue and deeper connections.
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Becky Kennedy and Charles Duhigg discuss habits, focusing on their structure and the neuroscience behind their formation and change, especially pointing out strategies for altering habits through understanding the underlying components and neural functions.
Charles Duhigg explains the basic structure of a habit as a loop consisting of a cue, routine, and reward. A cue triggers a behavior (routine), which is followed by a reward, completing the circuit. Becky Kennedy applies this understanding by using a post-it note as a cue to remind her child to pick up towels – a simple, effective example of creating a positive habit loop with a specified cue, routine, and reward.
Duhigg delves into the neuroscience of habits, explaining how the basal ganglia, a region in the brain, drives the habit process. It helps conserve mental energy by automating actions. Even when we stop noticing cues consciously, our brain still responds to them through established habits. Becky Kennedy reflects on the concept of the "wrapper" of an experience and how it impacts the reception and perception of rewards in habit loops.
Kennedy and Duhigg stress that understanding the habit loop empowers people to change their habits by focusing on the cue and reward rather than the routine itself. Emotional rewards, like expressing pride, create lasting positive memories, while recognizing a reward can increase its impact, reinforcing the habit loop. Duhigg suggests c ...
The Science and Structure of Habits
Charles Duhigg and Becky Kennedy discuss how understanding and teaching habit science can empower children and help in parenting strategies.
Duhigg has been teaching his children about the science behind habits, helping them understand they have control over behaviors they might feel powerless against. By imparting knowledge of habit mechanisms, he enables them to control their actions.
Kennedy shares an experience where she encouraged her child to think of ways to remember tasks, like picking up his towel, without her having to write a reminder. By insisting he could do it himself, she stressed not doing for her child what he could do for himself, teaching him to determine his own habit-forming process.
Kennedy illustrates the importance of communication in disciplinary actions. She views these not as punishments but protections, helping kids understand the reasons behind measures like not having a phone in their rooms and the long-term rewards that come from being held to a higher standard.
Duhigg concurs with Kennedy, stating that the most potent rewards are emotional ones that create safety and relieve tension for a child. He argues that consistent reminders, rather than shaming, help a child develop good habits, like proper table manners. Kennedy further elucidates the process, using a simple post-it note as a cue for her son to remember his tasks, followed by emotional rewards such as acknowledgment and gratitude once the task is completed.
Applying Habit Knowledge To Parenting
Charles Duhigg introduces the concept that communication isn't just about words but also involves practical, emotional, and social aspects. He emphasizes how successful conversation results from tuning into and matching your partner's conversation type.
Duhigg explains that conversations are multifaceted, often involving practical, emotional, and social aspects. These modes may not always be clear, but brain imaging can reveal the underlying framework of communication. For a conversation to be successful, it's essential that both parties engage in the same "type" of conversation simultaneously, in what Duhigg refers to as the 'matching principle'. This alignment is crucial for both individuals to feel truly connected and to hear each other.
Duhigg uses the example of a mismatched conversation to illustrate his point. He depicts a scenario where a wife aims to have an emotional conversation because she feels upset and devalued, yet her husband responds with practical advice, leading to a mismatched exchange. This discord escalates their frustration as they fail to acknowledge each other's needs and to connect.
Duhigg emphasizes the importance of recognizing and validating the partner's emotions before moving on to the practical discussion to resolve the issue. This approach demonstrates effective matching, which can quell frustration and foster a more productive dialogue. Kennedy builds on this notion by stating that when one partner shifts to accommodate the other's emotional needs, it creates a bridge for connection, paving the way for mutual understanding ...
Types of Communication and the Importance Of Matching
Charles Duhigg and Becky Kennedy offer insights on enhancing communication in relationships, especially with children, through active listening, empathy, and open communication.
Duhigg introduces "looping for understanding," a method where you ask someone, particularly when they're upset, a deep question about their values, beliefs, or experiences. After listening, you paraphrase what they've said, showing you've understood their point of view. This strategy is followed by asking if you've got it right to confirm that you were actively listening, making them more inclined to return the favor and listen to you.
Super communicators, as Duhigg mentions, ask many more questions than the average person, including open-ended questions that encourage sharing about values, beliefs, and experiences. Kennedy further suggests that asking such questions allows for longer, more meaningful conversations that are foundational in building relationships.
Kennedy compares understanding different types of conversations to knowing different languages, suggesting that both parties need to actively ensure they're engaging in the same mode of communication or "language."
Kennedy suggests that viewing a child as a "good kid having a hard time" rather than a "bad kid doing spoiled things" can help reduce tension and foster better communication. By reflecting on what children say, adults can understand their true feelings, such as their dislike of having no choice over their time. Kennedy notes sitting with a child in their emotion, not aimed at altering the emotion but at addressing the sense of aloneness. Duhigg explains that by first empathizing and demonstrating understanding, one can connect with others even amid disagreements which could deescalate conflicts.
Kennedy emphasizes the importance of not changing a child's emotions but changing the feeling of being alone. Recognizing and validating children's emotions rather than responding with practical solutions or criticism can help in deescalating conflicts. Duhigg encourages asking about feelings, demonstrating that you're paying attention, and proving that you're listening as ways to defuse tension and foster a connection.
Specific Communication Strategies For Improving Relationships
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