Broadway's Leslie Odom Jr. & Nicolette Robinson Talk Parenting
In this episode of Good Inside with Dr. Becky, Broadway performers Leslie Odom Jr. and Nicolette Robinson share their experiences with parenting and discuss how their own childhoods shape their approach to raising children. They explore topics including boundary-setting, managing emotions, and balancing career demands with family life, while Dr. Becky Kennedy offers practical guidance on communicating with children during both calm and challenging moments.
The conversation delves into their personal growth as parents, with Robinson reflecting on breaking patterns from her strict upbringing and Odom Jr. discussing his journey with anxiety medication to become more present for his children. The couple also examines how their backgrounds in performing arts have influenced their parenting styles and relationship dynamics, particularly during significant career moments like Hamilton.
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Childhood Experiences and Their Lasting Impact
Nicolette's childhood was marked by strict control and trauma, which led her to develop a rich inner world where she could freely express herself. Unable to openly show her thoughts and feelings at home, she felt responsible for others' emotions and behaviors. In contrast, Leslie's more structured upbringing, focused on performing arts, provided him with opportunities for expression and growth.
Boundaries, Relationships, and Personal Growth
Nicolette Robinson describes her journey of learning that she's not responsible for others' moods, while Leslie Odom Jr. emphasizes the importance of modeling healthy boundaries for his children. Dr. Becky Kennedy suggests managing emotions and setting expectations around boundaries during calm moments, making it easier for children to understand when space is needed later.
In managing their careers and family life, Nicolette approaches family planning like running a company, balancing periods of work intensity with dedicated family time. Leslie shares how starting [restricted term] helped him manage increased anxiety that came with fatherhood, allowing him to be more present for his children.
The Joys and Challenges of Parenthood
Robinson and Odom Jr. share proud moments of their children's emotional growth, such as their daughter Lucy's independent decision to apologize to their housekeeper. They discuss the challenges of parenting young children, including dealing with tantrums and heightened anxiety. The couple emphasizes the importance of clear communication about boundaries and celebrating their children's efforts to repair relationships after mistakes.
Creativity and Arts in Personal Development
Leslie and Nicolette reflect on their performing arts careers, with particular focus on the impact of Hamilton's success on their relationship. Leslie describes how the show's meteoric rise led him to pursue every opportunity, sometimes at the cost of their relationship. Both grew up with strong connections to the arts – Leslie through his parents' involvement in dance and acting, and Nicolette through various creative activities that helped develop her emotional tools from a young age.
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- Create a "responsibility jar" where you write down things you mistakenly take responsibility for, like others' emotions, and periodically review them to remind yourself of your actual responsibilities. This can help you recognize patterns in your behavior and reinforce the understanding that you are not responsible for others' feelings. For example, if you find yourself apologizing for someone else's bad mood, write it down, and during your review, remind yourself that each person is responsible for their own emotions.
- Schedule a weekly "expression hour" where you engage in an activity that allows for personal expression, such as painting, writing, or dancing, without any external judgment or feedback. This dedicated time encourages the development of a rich inner world and can be a therapeutic outlet for emotions and thoughts that you might not feel comfortable sharing with others.
- Develop a "boundary blueprint" for your household, outlining clear expectations for personal space and mutual respect. This can be a physical document or a digital file that you create with input from all family members. Use it as a reference during calm moments to discuss and agree upon how to handle situations that require setting boundaries, such as needing quiet time or managing interruptions. This proactive approach can help prevent misunderstandings and ensure everyone's needs are respected.
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Childhood Experiences and Their Lasting Impact
Nicolette and Leslie’s childhood experiences demonstrate how early life affects individuals differently, shaping their inner lives, dreams, and coping mechanisms.
Nicolette's Traumatic, Controlled Childhood Fostered an Inner World Longing For Expression
Nicolette’s childhood was marked by trauma and control which pushed her to create an internal world where she could freely express herself.
Nicolette's Home Life Forced Her to Hide Her Thoughts and Feelings, Creating a Disconnect Between Her Inner and Outer Lives
Nicolette recalls growing up in a home where she could not openly express herself or "come apart." This forced her to express herself and test limits outside the home. She developed a vivid internal life full of thoughts and feelings that she wasn't allowed to show to the world. This created a disconnect where she felt alive only on the inside, yearning for the day she could express her autonomy and live joyfully and openly.
She used her rich internal world to her advantage in performances later in life, believing that a performer’s ability to have an active internal thought process makes them more compelling, a trait she honed during her stifling childhood.
Furthermore, Nicolette’s emotional growth was affected by having to feel responsible for the actions of the emotionally immature people around her. She was made to feel that she was the reason for their behavior, with sentiments like "look what you made me do" frequently voiced, making her feel accountable not just for their actions but also for the overall emotional climate, as if she was "responsible for the weather."
Despite coming from a family of performers and entertainers, Nicolette's restrictive up ...
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- While Nicolette's internal world was a response to her environment, it's possible that her vivid imagination and internal life could also be partly due to her inherent personality traits, not solely her upbringing.
- The idea that a performer needs a rich internal world to be compelling could be challenged by the notion that different performers have various methods and techniques that work for them, and a rich internal world is not a prerequisite for all.
- The text implies that Nicolette's emotional responsibility for others was a direct result of her upbringing, but it could also be argued that some individuals naturally take on a caretaker role regardless of their environment.
- The contrast between Nicolette and Leslie's upbringing suggests that structured environments are inherently positive for children's development, but this may not always be the case as too much structure could also stifle creativity and self-discovery in some children.
- The assertion that childhood experiences have a ...
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- Explore your inner narrative through journaling to bridge the gap between your internal and external worlds. Start by setting aside a few minutes each day to write down your thoughts and feelings without judgment. This practice can help you become more aware of your internal life and may lead to a greater sense of autonomy as you start to express those thoughts and feelings that you might not share openly.
- Use creative visualization to enhance your daily experiences and tap into a richer internal life. Imagine scenarios where you express yourself freely and experience joy and openness. By doing this regularly, you can cultivate a more vibrant inner world that can positively influence your interactions and creativity in your external life.
- Practice emotional boundary-setting by identifying situations ...
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Boundaries, Relationships, and Personal Growth
Leslie Odom Jr. and Nicolette Robinson share their experiences in setting boundaries and how it has contributed to personal growth and healthier relationships with family and themselves.
Boundaries Help Leslie and Nicolette Maintain Healthier Dynamics
Nicolette Robinson and Leslie Odom Jr. articulate the value of setting up personal boundaries to establish healthier family dynamics and individual well-being.
Recognizing Boundaries Frees Nicolette From Others' Moods and Behaviors
Robinson describes her journey to understanding the importance of boundaries. She recounts her previous inclination to internalize the moods of others, a mindset that led her to feel responsible for their happiness. She realized that if a family member was in a bad mood, it was not necessarily about her. This epiphany liberated her from taking on the emotional states of others. Robinson also reflects on how she has learned to avoid the trap of martyrdom, where neglecting one’s needs for the sake of others can foster resentment and lead to explosive reactions.
Leslie Models Boundaries, Self-Care, and Emotional Regulation With Children
Leslie Odom Jr. addresses the importance of establishing and modeling boundaries to his children, explaining that having boundaries has benefitted not just his personal well-being but also the lives of his children and the people around him. He takes pride in seeing his children emulate his practices in maintaining boundaries, such as repairing a situation or asking for space.
Becky Kennedy speaks to managing emotions and setting expectations around boundaries in calm moments, such as during dinner. This pre-setting of boundaries allows for a better understanding later when a need for space arises—thereby not catching the children off guard. Odom Jr. comments positively on this strategy, affirming its value.
Kennedy also emphasizes the concept of cycle-breaking, referencing an incident with Lucy and Abel, where Lucy learns to manage her reactions regardless of Abel's actions. Kennedy mentions that yelling due to frustration is the result of not handling that frustration well and connects this to the broader theme of breaking the cycle of reaction.
"Balancing Careers and Family: Leslie and Nicolette's Challenge"
Nicolette Balances Parenting and Work
Nicolette Robinson explains how she navigates the delicate balance between her career and family life. She manages her career and family with intention and careful planning, likening the latter to operating a company. ...
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- While setting personal boundaries is crucial, it's important to recognize that the process of establishing and maintaining them can be complex and may sometimes lead to misunderstandings or feelings of rejection among family members who may not fully understand the intent behind the boundaries.
- The idea of managing emotions and setting expectations around boundaries during calm moments is sound, but it may not always be practical in dynamic, real-life situations where emotions can escalate quickly and unpredictably.
- The strategy of pre-setting boundaries is beneficial, but it's also important to teach children how to adapt to situations where boundaries cannot be established in advance, fostering resilience and improvisation.
- While medication can be transformative for managing anxiety, it's also important to acknowledge that it may not work for everyone and that some individuals may experience side effects or prefer alternative treatments.
- The comparison of managing a family to running a company might not resonate with everyone, as it could imply a level of control and structure that doesn't account for the emotional and unpredictable aspects of family life.
- The balance between care ...
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- You can create a "boundary blueprint" for your family by drafting a simple document that outlines everyone's personal space needs and how to respect them. For example, each family member could have a section where they list their non-negotiables, like quiet time after work or not being disturbed during certain hobbies. This blueprint can be revisited and updated during family meetings to ensure it evolves with your family's dynamics.
- Develop a "mood meter" for your home, a visual tool that allows family members to express their current emotional state without having to articulate it verbally. This could be a color-coded chart or a set of cards with different facial expressions representing various moods. By checking in with the mood meter, you can gauge the emotional climate of your home and adjust your interactions accordingly, fostering empathy and understanding.
- Start a family "s ...
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The Joys and Challenges of Parenthood
Leslie Odom Jr. and Nicolette Robinson discuss the intricate tapestry of parenthood, weaving through the proud moments and the daunting challenges of raising their children, Lucy and Abel.
Leslie and Nicolette's Proud and Difficult Parenting Moments
Parenthood for Odom Jr. and Robinson is filled with moments that both test their resolve and fill them with immense pride.
Children's Growth and Emotional Maturity: Daughter's Self-Repair Fills Them With Pride
Nicolette Robinson describes a moment when her daughter, Lucy, demonstrated exceptional emotional maturity. After previously showing dislike towards their housekeeper, Maria, Lucy took the initiative to apologize independently, displaying her capability for self-repair and awareness of her actions. Both Robinson and Leslie feel incredibly proud of such moments, where their daughter exhibits growth and emotional intelligence. Leslie Odom Jr. adds that witnessing his children's ability to recover and repair after challenging moments is one of the joyful aspects of parenting.
Parenting Young Children: Exhaustion and Anxiety
Robinson opens up about the elevated anxiety she experiences as part of motherhood, particularly in stressful situations like caring for sick children at night. Odom Jr. explains that medication has helped him cope with the exhaustion and overwhelming challenges typical of parenting young children, like dealing with tantrums. Becky Kennedy relates, recounting days marked by meltdowns and destructive behavior from her own children that provoke a sense of overwhelm. Yet, these difficult days are also interspersed with moments that remind parents of their capabilities.
Communication and Repair Are Key in Their Parenting
Through the ups and downs of parenting, clear communication and valuing repair efforts stand out as crucial elements in their family dynamic.
Creating Understanding By Discussing Boundaries and Sharing Coping Strategies With Children
Leslie Odom Jr. shares insights into his approach to communicate with his four-year-old son Abel, who sometimes exhibits high emotions that turn physical. He emphasizes the importance of setting boundaries, such as explaining why he dislikes be ...
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- Create a "Family Growth Chart" where each family member can add milestones of emotional growth, such as instances of self-awareness or apologies. This visual tool can be a simple poster or whiteboard in a common area where everyone, including children, can add stickers or write down their achievements. For example, after a child apologizes for a mistake, they can place a sticker on the chart, which can later be celebrated collectively.
- Develop a "Calm Corner" in your home equipped with stress-relief items like soft pillows, coloring books, or a playlist of soothing music. This space can be used by both adults and children to take a breather and practice self-regulation. When someone feels overwhelmed, they can retreat to this corner to decompress. Over time, this practice can help in recognizing personal space needs and communicating them effectively.
- Start a weekly "Family Council" where each member can express their feeli ...
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Creativity and Arts in Personal Development
Leslie Odom Jr. and Nicolette Robinson share their experiences with the performing arts, revealing insights into the personal impacts of creativity, sudden fame, and how arts can influence childhood development.
Leslie and Nicolette's Meaningful, Challenging Performing Arts Careers
Nicolette is talented and gifted, while Leslie is vibrant and often described as a dynamite explosion of talent onstage. The couple discusses their distinct background influences in the arts and how their careers have evolved.
Hamilton's Rapid Success Was Exhilarating and Destabilizing Amidst Fame
Nicolette describes the meteoric rise of "Hamilton" as tough because it put her in situations where she was primarily recognized in relation to Leslie. Leslie Odom Jr. felt compelled to seize every opportunity afforded by "Hamilton’s" success, sometimes at the cost of his personal relationship with Robinson. The couple has worked on repairing their relationship, focusing on staying connected even amidst the spotlight.
Leslie was inspired by a household rich in artistic experiences—his mother was a choreographer and his father was involved with music and teaching acting, which provided him with unique emotional insights. Leslie and Nicolette are now healing and entering a new phase with a better understanding of what they want and how to preserve their connection.
Children's Perceptiveness and Creativity as Strengths
Leslie grew up surrounded by performances, rehearsals, and acting ...
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- You can foster a child's emotional and creative growth by setting up a weekly 'family arts hour' where everyone engages in drawing, storytelling, or playing music together. This not only encourages the development of artistic skills but also serves as a bonding activity that can strengthen relationships within the family.
- Create a personal 'opportunity filter' to decide which projects or commitments align with your values and relationships before saying yes. For instance, before taking on a new commitment, consider its impact on your personal life and whether it supports or strains your relationships, helping you to maintain a balance similar to what Leslie and Nicolette aimed for.
- Encourage children to explor ...
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