In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, the podcast explores the U.S. government's decades-long investment in psychic research and remote viewing programs. Beginning with Nazi occult archives discovered after World War II and escalating due to Soviet competition in the 1970s, the Pentagon funded paranormal experiments at Stanford Research Institute and later established Project Sunstreak, which operated under various names until 1995.
The episode examines the program's structure, internal conflicts, and notable cases—including a 1988 attempt to locate the Ark of the Covenant and sessions that accurately predicted military incidents but were never acted upon. Despite documented successes and nearly $20 million in funding over twenty years, the program faced persistent skepticism and credibility issues. The declassified files reveal both the promise and limitations of government-sponsored psychic intelligence gathering.

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When American and Soviet troops advanced through Germany in 1945, they discovered Heinrich Himmler's extensive occult research archives, including studies on ESP, astrology, and psychokinesis. Rather than discarding these materials, the U.S. preserved them, keeping psychic research as a background possibility for future exploration.
By the early 1970s, U.S. intelligence learned the Soviet Union was heavily investing in "psycho-energetics," highlighted by Nina Kulagina's alleged ability to move objects with her mind and stop a frog's heart without physical contact. Fearing Soviet advances in psychic warfare, the Pentagon responded in 1972 by funding paranormal research at Stanford Research Institute (SRI), recruiting prominent psychics like Uri Geller and Ingo Swann for remote viewing experiments.
Project Sunstreak launched on January 31, 1986, after its predecessor was canceled due to controversy over unorthodox training methods at the Monroe Institute. The new Defense Department program featured six remote viewers and three supervisors, including Skip Atwater as Branch Chief, who shifted strategy from hiring famous civilian psychics to discovering talent within government ranks.
The team had diverse personalities: Edward Dames served as Operations Officer, Paul Smith was an intelligence officer and artist who used heavy metal music to enhance his sessions, and Angela De La Fiora claimed intrinsic psychic abilities and a "third eye." Angela's early successes won her the best assignments but also fueled jealousy among colleagues. Internal tensions arose from frustration over unused intelligence, unclear protocols, and Dames's pursuit of unsanctioned targets like the Ark of the Covenant and alleged alien bases, undermining cohesion and raising debates about the program's legitimacy.
On December 5, 1988, Edward Dames directed Remote Viewer 32 to locate the Ark of the Covenant using encrypted coordinates. During the session, the viewer described sensing a "heavy, solid, hollow, container" deep underground in a location with many rooms and guards. They sketched an object resembling a bird with outstretched wings—matching descriptions of the golden cherubim on the Ark's lid—and reported Arabic speakers at the site.
When prompted to "open" the container, the viewer refused, stating only the "chosen" could open it "at the right time" and that others attempting would be destroyed, reflecting longstanding myths about the Ark's protective properties. The session concluded with three words: "forbidden, protected, lasting."
The files were declassified in 2000 but revealed no follow-up actions or verification attempts. The story resurfaced in 2025, reigniting public curiosity about government-sponsored psychic experiments.
Paul Smith conducted a session where he perceived a Navy ship, smelled something acrid, heard a loud sound, and sensed people being blinded in a violent incident. Two days later, Iraqi missiles struck the USS Stark in the Persian Gulf at the exact coordinates Paul had viewed, but his foreknowledge failed to prevent the attack.
Earlier that year, when a Marine Corps colonel was kidnapped in Lebanon, Angela identified a field near a small village where she believed he was held. Her intelligence was ignored, and months later, another released hostage confirmed the colonel had been held near Angela's identified spot before being killed. Paul Smith and Edward Dames identified different locations, likely causing decision-makers to discount all psychic input.
These incidents hurt morale, as viewers questioned the purpose of their work if agencies wouldn't act on findings even in life-or-death situations. Paul Smith's frustration grew as marital problems and separation from his children made him feel his sacrifice for the program had cost him his family without yielding meaningful results.
Despite several documented successful operations, remote viewing faces strong skepticism and is often dismissed as pseudo-science. Declassified reports suggest "hits occur more often than chance," providing enough promise to justify funding but falling short of definitive proof. Credibility suffered further when Edward Dames reportedly targeted speculative subjects like Atlantis and alien bases. To minimize occult associations, agencies carefully adopted technical terms like "remote viewing" and "psycho-energetics."
The government continued funding the program despite mistrust, spending nearly $20 million over more than twenty years. Notable successes included recovering a downed plane in Africa and identifying a Soviet submarine before construction was completed, but accurate intelligence was rarely acted upon due to underlying mistrust. In 1990, Sunstreak was renamed Stargate, which operated until 1995 when the public was first informed. The files became declassified in 2000, and government interest persisted, with the Office of Naval Research developing a program in 2014 to investigate "spidey-sense" or gut instincts.
1-Page Summary
In 1945, as World War II ended, American and Soviet troops advanced through Germany, seizing remnants of the Nazi regime. Among the materials captured were the personal writings and research of Heinrich Himmler, a leading figure fascinated by the occult. Himmler had founded the Anah Nerba, a Nazi research institute devoted to supernatural pursuits. Their work covered a variety of topics, including searches for Atlantis and the Holy Grail, spirit channeling, astrology, and extra sensory perception (ESP), encompassing mind reading and psychokinesis.
Both U.S. and Soviet teams examined these recovered Nazi documents in the postwar years, noting the extensive resources the Nazis had invested in what was ultimately pseudoscience. Rather than discarding Himmler's writings, the U.S. preserved them. At this time, the U.S. government was actively recruiting German scientists, sometimes overlooking ties to the Third Reich in pursuit of advanced expertise. With the "weird science" archives in hand, the U.S. considered the possibility that elements of the Nazis’ occult research might offer something of value. While psychic research was not prioritized, it was not abandoned either and remained in the background for exploration.
By the early 1970s, during the Cold War, U.S. intelligence learned that the Soviet Union was investing heavily in "psycho-energetics," a field exploring psychic phenomena. The Soviets reportedly achieved advances in this area, highlighted by the case of Nina Kulagina—a woman alleged to possess psychokinetic abilities. Kulagina was filmed moving objects with her mind and, in one striking demonstration, purportedly stopped a frog’s heart without physical contact. These demonstrations suggested to U.S. analysts that the Soviets might be approaching effective psychic warfare, even if mastery had not yet been achieved.
Fearing that Soviet progress in this area could be turned against the United States, U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that they could not afford to be left behind. Reports proj ...
U.S. Remote Viewing Research Origins: Nazi Occultism, Soviet Competition
Project Sunstreak emerges from the ashes of a previous Army remote viewing program that faltered amid controversy. In the early 1980s, Skip Atwater realizes one of his best remote viewers is burned out, so he sends them to the Monroe Institute, a center for exploring consciousness through meditation founded by Robert Monroe, who is known both for his new age credentials and his eccentric personal claims, including astral plane escapades. With time, attending the Monroe Institute becomes the popular retreat for Army personnel involved in remote viewing. Guided meditations led by Monroe become a staple, and the Army institutes a new training program called Rapid Acquisition Personnel Training (RAPT), which asks participants to even lie naked in bed as part of their federal retreat experience.
The program’s unorthodox methods draw CIA scrutiny. Their assessment urges the Army to sever all ties with RAPT. General Albert Stubblebine, then head of Army Intelligence and a proponent of psychic research, resists the suggestion. The situation escalates when a participating officer suffers a mental health crisis at the Monroe Institute. Stubblebine is forced to resign, and by 1984, the entire Army remote viewing program is canceled.
After a year and a half of dormancy, Project Sunstreak is relaunched under the Defense Department on January 31, 1986. The new initiative features a blend of six remote viewers and three supervisors, combining seasoned veterans with promising recruits, aiming for a fresh start while balancing continuity and innovation.
Skip Atwater resumes leadership as Branch Chief and becomes the emotional anchor of the team. Drawing on years of experience, he shifts recruitment strategy from hiring famous civilian psychics like Uri Geller to discovering latent psychic talent within government ranks, believing many can develop remote viewing abilities with proper training. Atwater is dedicated to legitimizing the field, favoring scientific language over mystical terminology and working to create rigor in the discipline.
Edward Dames, previously a remote viewer himself, is promoted to Operations Officer and supervisor. Dames oversees training and remote viewing sessions, taking on the administrative bulk of paperwork. However, his penchant for operating outside official boundaries becomes a source of significant tension.
Paul Smith, an experienced intelligence officer and artist, is another recruit. Despite his lack of psychic experience before joining, his creativity and discipline are notable. Smith, a practicing Mormon from Brigham Young University, infuses sessions with the energy of heavy metal and 1980s hair bands, finding that music like AC/DC and Guns N' Roses helps him reach the right mental state for remote viewing.
Angela De La Fiora stands out as a new addition who arrived claiming intrinsic psychic abilities and the presence of a “third eye.” She bypasses regular protocols by directly appealing to General Stubblebine for a position. Though considered a bit of an outsider—even by the team’s unconventional standards—Angela quickly earns respect for her remarkable early successes in remote viewing. Operations Officer Eugene Lessman, a hard-nosed Vietnam veteran and skeptic of the occult, is impressed by her accuracy in describing specific and complex targets from the outset. Angela’s rapid progress and uncanny results win her the best assignments, proving both her skill and further fueling jealousy among her colleagues. Some, like Paul Smith, feel sidelined; others spread rumors or label her a “w ...
Project Sunstreak's Structure, Team Members, and Organizational Conflicts
On December 5, 1988, a team operating under Project Sunstreak within the Defense Intelligence Agency initiated a psychic search for the Ark of the Covenant. The session took place at Fort Meade, Maryland, with Major Edward Dames overseeing the operation. Remote Viewer 32, seated in an office recliner, was provided with encrypted longitude and latitude coordinates known only to Dames. This method was designed to keep the intended destination and target—reportedly the Ark of the Covenant—secret from the viewer.
During the session, Viewer 32 relayed impressions as they psychically traveled to the designated coordinates. They described sensing a "heavy, solid, hollow, container," specifying that it was deep underground in a location featuring many rooms and that it was guarded. These specific descriptors closely matched common historical and religious descriptions of the Ark’s supposed construction and concealment.
A sketch produced during the session depicted an object resembling a bird with outstretched wings—highly reminiscent of the golden cherubim statues said to adorn the Ark's lid. Additionally, the viewer reported that people at the site spoke Arabic, strongly suggesting a Middle Eastern locale for the artifact’s presumed hiding place.
The viewer's impression of something resembling a bird with outstretched wings aligns with descriptions of the golden cherubs that sit atop the Ark, lending an air of credibility—either to the psychic process or to an extraordinary coincidence.
Viewer 32's comments about Arabic-speaking individuals reinforce the ancient belief that the Ark’s last known site or sites would be in the Middle East.
When prompted by Dames to “open” the container remotely, the viewer refused, stating that the box could only be opened by those who were “chosen” and only “at the right time.” They asserted that anyone else attempting to open it would be destroyed. This assertion directly reflects longstanding myths and legends about the Ark’s supposed protective, even destructive, supernatural properties.
At the end of the session—an hour and a h ...
December 1988 Search for the Ark of the Covenant
In a darkened room at Fort Meade, remote viewer Paul Smith begins a session and images quickly surface. He perceives a large Navy ship cutting through water, smells something acrid, and feels a sense of action and urgency. He hears a loud sound and is struck by the impression of nearby people being blinded in a violent event. An overwhelming feeling tells him he is witnessing a terrible incident.
Two days later, Iraqi missiles strike the USS Stark in the Persian Gulf, right at the coordinates Paul had viewed in his session. Paul is left stunned not only by his accurate vision of the event and location but by the fact that it appears to have foreseen the disaster.
Despite the clarity and precision of Paul’s viewing, no action is taken based on his insight. The attack occurs as foreseen, and Paul is left to grapple with the futility of having possessed advance knowledge that went unheeded.
Earlier that same year, a Marine Corps colonel is kidnapped in Lebanon. Remote viewers Angela, Paul, and Ed are assigned to assist with the recovery effort. Presented with a map, Angela points out a field near a small village where she believes the colonel is being held alive. However, her intelligence is ignored and no rescue effort is mounted.
Months after, another hostage is released and confirms that the place Angela identified is close to where the colonel was actually held before his captors killed him.
Paul Smith and Ed Dames both identify different locations than Angela. This disagreement likely leads decision-makers to disregard all of the psychic input, raising persistent questions about when and how to trust and act on remote viewing intelligence, especially when viewers do not reach consensus.
Remote Viewing Successes and Failures
The government's decades-long investment in remote viewing and psychic phenomena remains fraught with controversy and skepticism, both within the intelligence community and among the broader public.
Remote viewing faces strong skepticism, often dismissed as pseudo-science by the scientific community. Carter Roy notes that, despite several documented successful operations that seemingly defy logical explanation, most in academia and intelligence circles remain unconvinced. Declassified reports offer a nuanced perspective: “hits occur more often than chance,” suggesting these experiments yielded promising enough results to justify ongoing funding, but fell short of providing definitive proof of remote viewing’s legitimacy. Annual reports from the 1980s highlighted high morale and enthusiasm among personnel, though Roy questions the authenticity of these claims.
Confidence in the program suffered further because figures like Edward Dames, a prominent remote viewer, reportedly began targeting highly speculative subjects such as the lost city of Atlantis, alien bases, and a galactic council. Such pursuits critically undermined the credibility of the entire program. To insulate the research from accusations of occultism and pseudo-science, agencies carefully adopted technical terms such as “remote viewing” and “psycho-energetics,” intentionally crafting a scientific vocabulary to legitimize their work.
Even as skepticism persisted, the government continued to fund the remote viewing program, spending nearly $20 million over more than twenty years. Intelligence agencies would seek assistance from remote viewers to gather data on high-value targets, such as missing planes, political hostages, or suspected enemy weapons projects. While there were notable successes—such as the recovery of a downed plane in Africa, the identification of a Soviet submarine before construction was completed, and the rescue of a Pentagon official abroad at a location described by a remote viewer—such results were sporadic and rarely acted upon. Leadership in military and intelligence circles commonly ignored even accurate intelligence produced b ...
Program's Credibility Concerns on Government Operations
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